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Replace two occurrences

 wiki:xxx 

by

 enwiki:{{REVISIONID}} 

Rationale:

• That code wiki:xxx is a unique identifier within the TeX document.
• Writers are forced to edit this ID manually if they subsequently quote wiki pages and they have to invent a different ID each time.
• By DB name and version ID a globally unique ID will be created now.
• German Wikipedia made this change yesterday.
• It is even possible to derive the permalink URL from that ID.

Greetings PerfektesChaos (talk) 13:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@PerfekteChaos: Has this been tested? --Izno (talk) 19:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and has been reported to work fine.

It is quite easy to see. {{REVISIONID}} is already used within the system message in order to generate canonicalurl: and enwiki: is not a drastic change and such ID may consist at least of ASCII letters, colon and digits. --PerfektesChaos (talk) 20:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Izno (talk) 18:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change the link after "Primary contributors:" to [[xtools:articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Revision history statistics]], which is Wikimedia hosted and maintained instead of hosted by someone personally. Dylsss^{(talk contribs)} 20:14, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing the output for a random article:

• Revision history statistics
• Revision history statistics

Is the information the same? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dylsss: please confirm you are happy with this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:26, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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According to the MLA style guide access-date should be the last parameter. Currently this page outputs the url as the last parameter. The proposal is to move <citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>. from the end to before Web. Nthep (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. <citation>{{#time:j M. Y}}</citation>. produces today's date. When I made this change, the citation at the randomly chosen Johnston's genet was:

Wikipedia contributors. "Johnston's genet." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, 1 Nov. 2022. 20 Apr. 2023. Web.

I don't think this is what you intended — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just quoting the code from the interface documentation page. So let's go simple - move whatever code outputs the access-date to the end of the output from its current position before the url-link. Nthep (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still confused. There is currently no URL is the MLA citation that I can see. The access date is already at the end. this is the current citation on Johnston's genet:

Wikipedia contributors. "Johnston's genet." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, 1 Nov. 2022. Web. 20 Apr. 2023.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of the url might be another issue. This request stems from a VTRS ticket that I can't access on my phone. I'll reread the ticket later and get back to you. Nthep (talk) 09:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ticket:2023041710004066 is Nthep's ticket. Cabayi (talk) 11:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ serve me right from working from memory, the ticket is about the commons version of this page which when I examine it is different, in two ways.

1. It does have the access-date before the url, I'll take the original request there.
2. It includes the url which this page doesn't for MLA. Perhaps this page should include {{canonicalurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid={{REVISIONID}}}}. instead of web. (before the access-date).

Nthep (talk) 11:57, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add a short paragraph between the current first and second paragraphs at the top of this page:

With a few rare exceptions (such as describing Wikipedia's own content) Wikipedia articles should not be cited in other Wikipedia articles.

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CIRCULAR should probably be linked if it's added. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; added. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Honestly, this just looks like noise given the general use case for this page: namely, producing citations for external use. What is the (strong) motivation for adding it here? Izno (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link to this page, on every article, says "cite this page", not "cite this page outside Wikipedia". We regularly have issues with (particularly novice) users citing Wikipedia articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But do you know if they used this feature to produce the citation? Nardog (talk) 20:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me how that would be detected? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By seeing if it has "Wikipedia contributors" and "Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia". Nardog (talk) 20:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]