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By far the funniest and most clever Wikipedia page I randomly stumbled on. Kudos. The fish genuinely made me laugh out loud — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumtimz I B Learnin (talk • contribs) 07:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, as you suggested in response to my PERM request, 'Trying AfC reviewing first might be a good idea,' I have submitted a request for the AFC Helper script. Please approve it so that I can review and decline articles that don't meet the requirements. Grabup (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't typically review those requests—Primefac does. If you want my opinion, though, it's that you should spend a couple of months getting more experience with deletion before applying for additional advanced permissions. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestion. Could you advise me on which deletion process I should focus on gaining more experience with? Grabup (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just keep working on CSDs and especially AfDs. Notability can't be fully understood in just a couple of weeks—it takes time to recognize some of the nuances. Try participating in AfDs where several people disagree with each other. Anyone can !vote delete in the easy discussions, but being able to make a source-based and policy/guideline-based argument in a more complicated case is what really matters. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I am actively working on CDSs. Only today, I found 8 spam self-promotional drafts (more can found), which I reported and will be deleted. As for AFDs, I agree everyone can vote delete, but most of the time, I mention guidelines like WP:NPOL, WP:GNG, WP:ACTOR, WP:MUSIC, and more. After your and Spicy’s comments, I am now adding my votes while briefly discussing why the article should be deleted. For example, you can see this [1],[2]. Thanks for the suggestions, I am learning more day by day. Grabup (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Extraordinary Writ: Hi there,

I hope you are well. It's been a month since my PERM was declined, and I'd like to get feedback on my eligibility to get NPP right based on my AfDs, CSDs, and AfC reviews. Thanks. GrabUp - Talk 18:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Grabup. It looks like you've been doing good work since we last talked. You are still moving very quickly, and in my opinion spending another month or two at AfC and AfD would a good idea. I see you've nominated a few articles at AfD recently; this is a good way to show you can identify non-notable articles on your own. By the way, most of what new page patrollers do can actually be done by anyone: just go to Special:NewPagesFeed, select "new page patrol", and look for articles that need to be CSDed, AfDed, tagged for notability, etc. This is a good chance to practice. Anyways, it's up to you when you want to make the PERM request; the reviewing admin (who won't be me) will decide at that point whether you have enough experience. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. Cheers! GrabUp - Talk 06:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Can I add this below para in any of the existing articles on Wikipedia? Can be Online Food Ordering, may be under Type >> Delivery platforms with a reference: " There exists one delivery platform in the United Kingdom, named as Fusion Kitchen allowing restaurants to sell food online through their delivery platform with 0% Commission, for both delivery and pickup. https://theprint.in/ani-press-releases/fusion-kitchen-celebrates-five-years-of-culinary-excellence-and-global-growth-amidst-0-per-cent-commission-milestone/1987957/. Can you suggest if this can go elsewhere ? Lakshmi VB Narsimhan (talk) 06:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding that kind of detail about one non-notable company would be undue and promotional, particularly if it's just sourced to a press release. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sources or citations or achievements will make a company notable??, is it a Funded Company? Or Listed Company etc.? Lakshmi VB Narsimhan (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A company is notable if it's been covered in detail by multiple independent and reliable sources (see WP:NCORP). Being funded or listed doesn't guarantee notability. But regardless, you shouldn't be trying to use broad articles like Online food ordering to promote a single company, whether notable or not. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of articles are not-broad ones, can you suggest a few if possible? Lakshmi VB Narsimhan (talk) 04:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to help you promote this company. That is not what Wikipedia is here for. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No obligation please. I only needed a help to learn to grow Wikipedia but not for any company or personal gains. Lakshmi VB Narsimhan (talk) 05:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Please how to put my pic and phone number --Henry Akpan David (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Henry Akpan David. The purpose of Wikipedia is to write an encyclopedia, not to provide information about non-notable people. Contributors to Wikipedia can create a user page to talk briefly about themselves (click here to create yours), but it can be deleted if it's used for self-promotion. (For privacy reasons, you shouldn't put your phone number on Wikipedia.) Let me know if you have any questions about how to contribute to the encyclopedia. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello --Ashikur Rahman710 (talk) 15:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ashikur Rahman710! Let me know if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I believe that there was no clear consensus for this move. Would you be willing to elaborate on how you came to this result? FortunateSons (talk) 23:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FortunateSons, I don't think I have much to add to what I said in the closure: I gave greater weight to !votes that engaged with the sources and relevant policies and guidelines than those that offered only personal opinions about the appropriate descriptor. The argument that "massacre" is not "the common name" used "in a significant majority of English-language sources" was not seriously rebutted by opposers. Happy to answer any specific questions you might have, and you're always welcome to have the close reviewed at WP:MR. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate it, thank you. FortunateSons (talk) 08:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask you to reconsider this as well – you say that the claim was "not seriously rebutted", but a long list of sources using the term 'massacre' was provided. I personally didn't feel the need strongly rebut the move request rationale as this list was already provided before I !voted, and I didn't think for a moment that people would seriously support the notion that the deliberate killing of dozens of civilians should not be described a massacre, nor that an admin would consider closing the debate in such a manner. The fact that the outcome has gone that way reflects incredibly poorly on Wikipedia's credibility as a neutral source on the subject area IMO.

What Hamas' Meticulous Massacre Plan for Kibbutz Nir Oz Looked Like

Reeling from Hamas’ massacre, a kibbutz pleads for the return of hostages

Nir Oz Wasn't a Battle, It Was a Systematic Massacre

'Nothing will ever be the same,' Nir Oz massacre survivors tell i24NEWS

Hamas Massacre At Israel's Nir Oz Kibbutz

‘A Day of Horror:’ Kibbutz Massacre Survivors Recount Hamas Attack

Al Jazeera 'reporter' who filmed massacre in Nir Oz loses leg after drone attack in Rafah

‘How do you tell your child her grandparents were slaughtered?’ Israeli father describes kibbutz massacre

'I have to hope the IDF will bring my family home' says survivor of Nir Oz massacre

Red stickers for killed, black for kidnapped: Bearing witness to the massacre at Kibbutz Nir Oz

Members of Kibbutz Nir Oz come to grips with massacre

He survived the massacre; his photos tell a story of a kibbutz that is no more

In tight-knit community of Nir Oz, survivors of the massacre mourn those lost and Hamas releases two hostages abducted during brutal massacre on Kibbutz Nir Oz earlier in Octobera way of life that may never return

Hamas releases two hostages abducted during brutal massacre on Kibbutz Nir Oz earlier in October

Argentina's Javier Milei condemns Hamas on visit to Oct. 7 massacre site

Last-minute plans save SA olah from massacre

Number 57 23:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bit of re-litigation, no? In any case, @Number 57:, what would you say is the ratio of usage of "attack" vs "massacre"? Even if it 1:1, then we should be choosing the more neutral name, as policy requires there be "a significant majority" before we can use a name with value judgement.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 23:23, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"people would seriously support the notion that the deliberate killing of dozens of civilians should not be described a massacre". As I argued in the RM, "attack" doesn't rule out the deliberate killing of civilians, for example, see September 11 attacks, 2008 Mumbai attacks etc.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 23:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre is a neutral description for what happened in Nir Oz, just as it is for events like the Dunblane massacre. Using 'attack', a word that does not necessity imply any deaths (the Danish prime minister was just attacked by somemone), is inappropriate. Number 57 23:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't contested in the RM that "massacre" ("indiscriminate and brutal slaughter") is a term that passes judgment, and indeed it appears in one of the examples at WP:NPOV#Naming. Policy is not to use such a term unless it's "the common name" used "in a significant majority of English-language sources". I certainly noticed FortunateSons's list of sources using "massacre", but that kind of list doesn't rebut the supporters' argument that such sources don't amount to a significant majority. Of course I understand why the outcome is contentious, but as a closer the best way I can enhance "Wikipedia's credibility as a neutral source" is to apply policy consistently and as written, which is what I tried to do here. If you don't think I've been successful, you're welcome to start an MR. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, EW. I hope that you're well; I've sent you an email. Best wishes, Sdrqaz (talk) 23:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks—will think about it. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've sent you an email . Sdrqaz (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now dealt with. (Apologies for the delay on my end.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article definitely feels like an advertisement, but I can't pinpoint what exactly makes me feel that way, do you think you could point me in the right direction? --AFrogThatExist (talk) 14:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFrogThatExist! This article had a lot of promotional language when it was first flagged as an advertisement, but most of the problematic content has already been removed, so that's why you're not seeing any obvious issues. I think the main reason the article might still seem "off" is that it's written from the perspective of the company: it tells you what Flexcar "started", "changed", "announced", etc., but there's not much in the way of outside analysis telling you what others thought about the company. The best way to fix this problem would be to find additional news articles, books, etc. that talk about Flexcar (beyond the two sources currently cited) and incorporate them into the article. But this is kind of an advanced task, so it's absolutely fine if you want to just move on and look for an article that needs your help more urgently. Here's a list of all the articles that were recently tagged as advertisements, and here are some that just need to be rewritten in places—maybe something there takes your fancy? Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any other questions! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the in-depth reply, I'll check out the list you mentioned! AFrogThatExist (talk) 08:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello --Kbbeatz (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kbbeatz! Let me know if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I did have a question about others editing a page. When I edit a page and provide a reference/source that is reliable, it keeps getting removed by editors even though I’ve backed it up.

Recently, I edited a football mangers page to say they signed to a new club and proving a reliable source but it kept getting removing even though the manager even announced it. Is there any way to stop this or report others who do unnecessary editing and just troll? Kbbeatz (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kbbeatz. You mention providing reliable references/sources, but I'm not seeing any in your edits...that's probably part of the problem. If you're using the mobile view, the easiest way to cite a source is to 1) click the edit button, 2) click the pencil menu that appears, 3) choose "visual editing", and 4) click the citation button, which looks like a quotation mark: . It will then walk you through the process of adding information about your source. If these steps don't make sense, let me know what you see instead and I can try to help. Citing sources is very important, and it makes it less likely that your edit will be undone.

There are also a couple things to be aware of about sports articles. Information is often removed when it hasn't been officially confirmed; rumors and press speculation aren't enough. That's why your edit adding Graham Potter a couple days ago was undone. Sometimes there can also be issues when a change has been announced but hasn't actually taken effect yet, and if there's a disagreement you can click on the "talk" button to start a conversation about the edit. But once Steve Cooper was appointed, adding his name was fair game, and it looks like all the articles currently include it. Hope this helps: if there's anything I can provide more clarification on, just let me know. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Extraordinary Writ what do you do about IP vandalism. --Legendarycool (talk) 15:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Legendarycool. If someone is vandalizing Wikipedia (defined as deliberately trying to make things worse, you should undo the edit and write a warning on the user's talk page. (To find someone's talk page, click on the article's "view history" button and look for the "talk" button next to the vandal's name.) If the user continues vandalizing even after an appropriate number of warnings, go to this page and follow the instructions to make a report for administrators. Let me know if you have any other questions. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ! a semi-noob question...

I have been fortunate enough to take pictures of an unreleased microprocessor prototype and I would like to add one picture on the "General information" sidebar of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libre-SOC I have already added one picture at a relevant place (I think, check if it is "right"), but most other CPU pages (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i960 ) have a picture of an individual chip. I have uploaded 2 more pictures at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/YannGuidon I haven't found the right syntax yet to add to the form.

Thank you ! --YannGuidon (talk) 01:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi YannGuidon. Thanks for uploading these images! To add a picture to the sidebar ("infobox"), go to the Libre-SOC article and click edit. Click the pencil and choose "visual editing" if you're not already in that mode. Click on the sidebar itself and click the "edit" button that pops up. Now, copy and paste the full name of the file you want to use into the "image" field. You can also put something in the "caption" field, but you can leave the "image_size" field blank. Click "apply changes", check that everything looks right, and click "publish changes" when you're done.

The image you already added looks good! It's a bit large, though: the default width is 220px, but yours is at 400px. I'd suggest restoring the default, which you can do by clicking "edit", clicking on the image itself, clicking "edit", clicking "advanced", and choosing "default". (Readers can always enlarge the image themselves if they want.) You're welcome to experiment, though. Here's some more information about image size (and other things) if you're interested in knowing more. Let me know if you have any other questions! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ! I have finally found the right "link" format. Feel free to point to other clumsiness. YannGuidon (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]