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Thank you. MWQs (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree I was looking for Oceania and Antarctica actually, on the suggested edits thing, do you know how to get more specific suggestions of articles needing work? MWQs (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oceania is best understood at WP:WikiProject Oceania and similarly WP:WikiProject Antarctica. That is one way in. A significant number of Oceania items have really been more specifically Australian, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea context, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Oceania_articles - however there is inadequate distinction as to where the subsidiary projects fit, Melanesia, Micronesia, Polynesia - when the Oceania project was created there were inadequate numbers involved at any point - as a consequence it is a project and subprojects that are needing a lot of care and understanding.

Antarctica has recent rationalisation of articles, and at points the distinction between the territorial/administrative divisions are not necessarily as neat or easy to follow - but worth checking out. Very simple things like project tagging was something quite recent. There are other ways again to reply to your question -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Oceania/Popular_pages is at times a highly mysterious point of contact.

But enough for the moment. JarrahTree 12:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree those links don't seem to exist? MWQs (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cartegory links do though. MWQs (talk) 13:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

are by definition not in main space - please do not activate live categories in sandbox space. I have disabled your current items. Thank you. JarrahTree 06:31, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Did you fix it all already or do I need to do something? MWQs (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree I've been deleting all the categories off things when I copy them to there now, does that fix it? I usually edit bits there and then copy back just the bits I've worked on, so I don't really need the whole article.MWQs (talk) 11:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't add Category: FOO to pages that aren't articles. Please look at the edits JarrahTree and I made to figure out how to not keep repeating the same mistake. Mason (talk) 22:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison

Sorry, if I did that it wasn't intentional.

I often copy a whole page to my sandbox to work on, but ever since JarrahTree mentioned that I've been deleting the categories entirely. Sorry if I missed one.

Have you already fixed wherever I forgot to do that? Or do I need to do something further.

But I thought the colon in front like you did on that message also deactivated them? If I ever do need the categories it's it OK to use that in my sandbox?

MWQs (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It does deactivate them, if you don't miss any. Removing or commenting them out is pretty easy. Mason (talk) 02:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison Yes, I usually do just remove them, sorry I forgot, I probably needed sleep or a coffee. MWQs (talk) 03:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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How do I combine infobox thingies if none of the existing options have all the relevant fields? Like if a person had a few different careers?

MWQs (talk) 23:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try looking at the source for the infobox on John Glenn where the | module= {{Infobox method is used to chain infoboxes. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 00:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh, Thank you for the example, that helped a bit. But I still can't get it to fit together, I keep getting a box in a box. I tried a few combinations of different infoboxes, the results were a bit different, I think for a few of them I managed to make the "child" parameter work to stop the name doubling up, but none of them fit together neatly like the example. MWQs (talk) 06:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes the child parameter works, other times you may have to use the embed parameter. Check the infobox's documentation in each case. I'm sure there is work that could be done to make the infoboxes more consistent, but they are already such a sprawling mess that you just have to adapt rather than wait for everything to be rationalized.

You should also be careful about how the different infoboxes handle similar data to avoid repetitions or odd-looking placements. For instance, the parameters for birthplace and burial place (resting place) from the outer infobox should be used instead of the ones from the child infobox. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. @Jmcgnh The key details just ended up that way around because I kept swapping the nesting trying to make it work. MWQs (talk) 07:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How difficult is it to add one extra parameter to a box? If I find a box that has all except one, can I just add the missing field myself somehow? MWQs (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it's all that difficult, technically, but it may require permissions or getting consensus. You would need to look carefully at the documentation for Template:Infobox to see how your new field could be made to fit in. And, sometimes, your need has already been anticipated, it's just in an infobox template that you haven't found yet. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh is there anything in particular I need to watch out for with "need to look carefully to see how it would be made to fit"? MWQs (talk) 08:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's just me looking at the documentation and being impressed by how much I don't know about how the infobox module works. Without trying it, I don't know what stumbling blocks one is likely to encounter. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh, politician and officeholder seem very versatile (one is a redirect to the other), is it OK to use one with a name that doesn't match well? As in the name of the infobox is incongrous with the person? If the fields are all useful? MWQs (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it seems too incongruous, someone may object. But try it, if it allows you to get the fields you want. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 19:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm noticing that you're repeatedly blanking and restoring content on Jewish fascism. Please note that unexplained blanking, even if self-reverted, is disruptive. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol, I was just moving sections. Sorry I should have written edit summaries, I usly do. I was integrating some things I had been working on in my sandbox, I forgot to go back to writing edit summaries when I switched to main page. MWQs (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. It comes across quite concerningly on diffs. Thank you for responding, and thank you for improving Wikipedia! Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol, Is there a way to add edit summaries after? Or correct typos etc.? I wrote a proper summary for the first one, I just forgot to explain myself when shuffling it around to fit into the article. MWQs (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No retrospective edit summaries, unfortunately. However, you should be good now that I've left you a message. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol, Isn't that the wrong way around? I already know what I was doing in those edits. I put a message on the talk page incase I confused anyone else, and because my subsequent edits also buried the edit summary with an explanation of what I added and from where. MWQs (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol, Have you been working on that article much? What do you think of the name? It seems to be a valid topic to have an article about, but the name is a bit provocative? Maybe "fascist Jewish nationalism" would be an improvement? MWQs (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should use whichever name is most present or meaningful. If you choose to use "Jewish fascism", make sure it is supportable, and if you're unsure, I suggest gathering consensus. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 13:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol

I didn't pick the name, I just found a page started by others.

Where did you see my edits if you're not working on the page?

MWQs (talk) 17:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I originally saw your edits when patrolling recent changes. It showed up as "likely vandalism" or "likely has problems", but it seems it was just an error in automation. Thanks,Neuropol^Talk 17:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Neuropol, Thanks for explaining. MWQs (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Is there a variation of {{citation needed}} for "check the source actually says that"? If it was a source I had access to I would do it myself, but a few I've seen are books that I don't have access to.

Also, is there a template for "needs more than one source" or "needs a better source"? For where an important or controversial statement is supported by a single source or a weak source.

MWQs (talk) 07:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{disputed}} is useful if you don't think a source says what it says, {{failed verification}} if it's not in the source. {{one source}} is useful if there's only one source, {{refimprove}} can also be used. If you want more help, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 07:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac, Thank you. Sorry I was reading backwards from the end. Those seem to solve the issues that the other two don't yet cover.

I'll have a closer look. MWQs (talk) 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should I use those other links instead of the {{help me}} template? Or are they just additional suggestions? MWQs (talk) 07:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're just other options. Primefac (talk) 08:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac, Thank you. MWQs (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You can see most of the relevant templates here: Template:Inline cleanup tags

As you can see {{better source needed}} and {{verify source}} already exist for two of your questions.

I would expect "needs more than one source" to be a very rare situation; perhaps {{Needs independent confirmation}} is close enough? — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh, Thank you, verify source and better source probably cover it well enough. MWQs (talk) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What did you mean by "eddit conflict"? MWQs (talk) 07:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An edit conflict occurs when two different editors are attempting to make changes to the same page at the same time. One of them gets their changes in first and the second one is informed that there has been an edit conflict.

What to do? Often, the first response is good enough so I simply abandon my attempt. Other times, I feel that the response I've prepared sheds a different light on the question and is still worth posting. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmcgnh, Thank you. MWQs (talk) 09:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went inactive on Wikipedia for a short while due to exhaustion from creating the article and writing so much content on far-right politics in Israel. I'm surprised at how much content you added to the article. Thank you! Alon Alush (talk) 10:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alon Alush, Thank you. MWQs (talk) 10:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure that sub-sub-sections on the LGBT rights in the State of Palestine page would be helpful to readers. Having one paragraph sub-sections seems a bit excessive to me, so I think just having one sub-section for "Gaza Strip police and civilians" makes more sense than the sub-section names you proposed. Historyday01 (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01 If you are worried about readers, why did you also remove the {{anchor}} and not just the subheadings? Can you please restore the {{anchor|Eshtewi}} so that links from other pages still work. If you very strongly object to the headings, the anchor can go at the start of the paragraph? But please put it back somewhere near, the section about Maħmoud Eshtewi, aka Mahmoud Ishtiwi. It is quite a long page and the variable spelling (there's more than two) means ctrl+F wouldn't help readers find the relevant section. MWQs (talk) 16:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added back the anchor, but I don't see his name mentioned that many times on Wikipedia (I only found it mentioned on three other articles), so I'm not sure how helpful the anchor is, honestly. Historyday01 (talk) 18:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tħank you. MWQs (talk) 04:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and why did you remove "militants" from the level 2 heading? if you wanted it to include the section about Eshtewi without a second sub heading? He was the commander of the Zeitoun Battalion and he was executed by Al Qassam. As with everything in Gaza, it's a bit ambiguous, but the word "militant" referred to his paragraph, civilians and police both only referred to the longer paragraphs. MWQs (talk) 16:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of "militants", that term is pejorative (and used disparagingly from my experience) and if we are talking about ALL the people in the Gaza it would be wrong to call them militants. We should NOT be implying that in any way, shape, or form. Historyday01 (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01, You probably are right that the headings weren't clear, it seems they didn't communicate what I intended very well at all.

"Militants" did not refer to all the people in the Gaza Strip. It referred to the Al-Qassam Brigades (the militant wing of the Hamas movement), the people who killed Eshtewi.

The level two subheading "Gaza Strip police and militants" had two separate subheadings under it, the civilians (harmed by police) and Eshtewi (tortured and killed by Al-Qassam militants).

Keeping the level 2 heading as just "Gaza Strip" works better. But I want to separate Eshtewi somehow.

MWQs (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in another comment, I don't think giving Eshtewi a separate section is necessary, considering the ambiguity of the charges against him, as I stated elsewhere on this page. Historyday01 (talk) 13:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "queer civilians…" heading probably is a bit redundant (after I switched the order to put the typical cases first) so I'm happy to leave that but out. But the next step of my exit was going to be expanding the section on Eshtewi, it wasn't going to stay a tiny sub-section. So, do you have any objections to how I phrased that heading? Is there a different heading you would find more acceptable? If so, can you please add your preferred heading to the section about the executed Qassam Commander. MWQs (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My issue with the queer civilians subheading is that it doesn't work because there are queer civilians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and within the occupying power, so it seems strange to have one heading for one group of civilians and not the others. As such, it makes more sense to leave it out. Historyday01 (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01, I meant the other heading. I was trying to separate Mahmoud Eshtewi (a horrific but highly atypical case) from the civilians.

Eshtewi was the (former) commander of the Zeitoun battalion, a unit of the Al-Qassam Brigades. Al-Qassam are the "Hamas terrorists" who did 7 October attacks, and previous attacks. Hamas are a political party and Al-Qassam are the militant wing, a bit like Sinn Fein and the IRA.

Eshtewi is often used to show "Gaza kills gays" but he had 2 wives and 3 kids, and even if he was bi or closeted, that's not why they killed him. He was originally accused of giving Israel the information that led to the death of Widad and Ali Deif (Mohammad Deif's wife and 7-month-old son, who died in an airstrike on the family home). He was also accused of several and other things.

MWQs (talk) 05:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since the Gaza Strip section is so short, and we already have an anchor for his name, I'm not sure a section specifically for him is necessarily needed. I am roughly familiar with the case, while realizing there may be some issues with translation, as the U.S. newspapers translated it as related to him being gay, but the original charges were apparently vague. Historyday01 (talk) 13:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Gaza Strip police and civilians" doesn't describe the content under it, can we please change that to just "Gaza Strip"? MWQs (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that name change was a compromise between what you proposed and what was there before, but I'm fine with changing it to "Gaza Strip." Historyday01 (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01 yeah, I was probably over complicating it a bit, and Gaza Strip is more consistent. MWQs (talk) 04:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01, I explained a lot above, but the only thing left unresolved is what would you recommend as a heading to separate the section about Eshtewi (as a subheading within Gaza Strip)? MWQs (talk) 05:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also a case from the West Bank involving the Lions' Den (militant group) and Shin Bet that I think is worth including.^[1][2][3][4] We could put under heading for the region (Gaza Strip and West Bank), or make a 4th section for "militant groups"? Or a separate section for each? MWQs (talk) 06:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, I'm not sure if we need a separate section for Eshtewi. If we have the anchor and the description of the case, I think that's fine. This could go under a new section after "Gaza Strip" entitled "West Bank", within the "Civil rights and group action" section (I recently renamed). The case could be included with this description:

In April 2023 it was reported that Zuhair Relit (also known as Zoheir Khalil Ghalith), a Palestinian living in Nablus, was killed by the Lions' Den militant group for collaborating with the IDF. Relit alleged he was blackmailed into becoming an informant for the Israeli military, with his confessional video on social media claiming that Shin Bet had an "illicit video" showing him having sexual intercourse with another man. He was later executed by the Lions' Den group.^[5][6][7][8]

Historyday01 (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01, thank you for writing that. MWQs (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Civil rights and group action" is a confusing title, from the context of our conversation I think you mean militant groups like Lions' Den? But without that context it looks like it means advocacy heitiki like Al Qaws, which is covered in a different section. The previous title "Civil rights and government action" made more sense. MWQs (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is that the murder victims don't really belong in the same section as civil rights, so we're not going to be able to find a good heading for a section with that odd combination of topics.

Eshtewi was probably in "Civil rights and government action" because the story gets turned into "the Hamas government executes people for being gay" (when his murder happened in a different system to the courts that sentence civilian criminals, and he probably wasn't even gay).

MWQs (talk) 19:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is also another murder in the section "Civil rights and…"

That murder + Eshtewi + the Lions' Den execution would work as a section called "violent incidents" or "murders of allegedly LGBT people" or just "Violence" or "murders".

MWQs (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lions' Den Refernces[edit]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Faiq_al-Mabhouh&redirect=no

I'm wanting someone to check if I did this one right before I try adding the classifications to any other redirects.

I'm not sure if that is the right category? And the formatting looks a bit off?

This one is a redirect for a bio page, for a person with an Arabic name that can be romanized many different ways.

MWQs (talk) 14:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should use {{r from alternate capitalisation}} since that page isn't an "alternate name". I don't see any other issues. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 14:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac

Most aren't capitalisation, is there another for spelling? MWQs (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That one was caps, but {{r from alternate spelling}} also exists. See Template:R template index for an (almost) complete list of rcat templates. Primefac (talk) 07:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac is this right now? MWQs (talk) 04:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Primefac (talk) 05:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think that's capitalisation. MWQs (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Fram, I don't object to that being deleted (I made a few redirects on the topic and found suitable sections or pages to redirect to, then I made Lebanon next before I realised there wasn't much on Wikipedia other than spillover from the neighbours) But for future reference, what was wrong with the page I tried to redirect to? Was it just that it didn't have much about Lebanon? MWQs (talk) 07:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm going to delete this page, FYI. Just putting a list of related links on a page does not make it a disambiguation page. A disambiguation page is supposed to contain a group of unrelated topics that could potentially be referred to by the same name. Your list groups related topics that are all conceptually distinct and would not likely be searched for under a common name. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@R'n'B, I made it because of the instructions in the box on Capital punishment in the State of Palestine, if that was wrong maybe remove or modify the {{BCA}} template on that page? So others don't replicate the error. Or maybe I just misinterpreted how broadly or narrowly it meant "unrelated links"? MWQs (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a right way to direct readers to content that might be what they are looking for, when a general topic doesn't have one page to direct them to but bits and pieces of the topic are covered on a few different pages? e.g. if Topic-X in North America is referred to on a few pages but doesn't have its own page, and the Topic-X page has no Topic-X #North America sub-section to redirect to, but pages exist for Topic-X in Canada and Topic-X in Mexico. Is there a way to properly sort and connect that to make it easy to find? MWQs (talk) 14:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What triggered this? MWQs (talk) 22:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It says right there You have recently edited a page related to the Arab–Israeli conflict Selfstudier (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering which and how recently, by it doesn't really matter, I was just curious. I've seen messages like that on a few pages, but it hasn't shown up on my talk page until now. MWQs (talk) 03:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Gonnym I'm having trouble finding the discussion for this template? I seem to be going in circles. Can you give a direct link, please? MWQs (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fount it now. Spotted it as soon as I asked. MWQs (talk) 09:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Mikeblas, Thanks for letting me know. I've been doing that in a few edit summaries but a bit inconsistently because I thought it was only essential for between wiki for translation etc. MWQs (talk) 03:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wish there was a way to edit the edit summaries, but there's not, is there? Ā F2 of Then Have a comment in the code at the top of the section. Is that sufficient? e.g.

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MWQs (talk) 03:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What's the best way to catch up on stuff one copied a long time ago?

Is it better to mention twice rather than skip?

Should I just list on the talk page "this page contains some content from…"

MWQs (talk) 03:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does it make any difference if its my own work? If I draft something in my userspace and then put it on a few pages, does it need to be tracked? MWQs (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No way to change edit summaries. The Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia topic has lots of notes about how to properly copy in the first place, and how to annotate articles where copying has happened so they give proper attribution. You might also want to read about transclusion, which can make copying (and then maintaining those copies) unnecessary. -- Mikeblas (talk) 06:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links. I wasn't playing too keep them identical, I plan to modify to suit the article I added it to. I copied a few bits to build on. MWQs (talk) 07:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll read the links too, but some feedback please, is this Talk:Mahmoud Ishtiwi appropriate / sufficient?

MWQs (talk) 07:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikeblas

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Far-right_politics_in_Israel&oldid=prev&diff=1229033828

If i use {{excerpt}} does that still need attribution?

MWQs (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, {{excerpt}} does not need attribution because it doesn't copy anything. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and thanks again for rescuing those refs. I tried excerpt a couple of times, I know how to use it now, but both times I changed my mind and decided the content actually needed to be modified to fit local context. But there's another page where excerpt is definitely the right tool for the job, I'll use it there. MWQs (talk) 00:18, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi MWQs. The corect way to move an article if it is not wrong at all is making a proposal to move it (the case of History of the Islamic State). I'm not sure if I will talk to an administrator to undo it and then suggest the move. The main article is simply "Islamic State", each time the word "Islamic State" appears in Wikipedia, it is mentioned simply as "Islamic State", the different "provinces" or wilayah of the Islamic State is mentioned as "Islamic State of Khurasan" (for example), so it is not as easy as moving "History of the Islamic State" to "History of the so-called Islamic State". What's your opinion about it? Greetings. Tajotep (talk) 10:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking? Are you asking my opinion or correcting an error I made, or both? MWQs (talk) 10:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The pages referring to specific provinces, like ISK, are less of a problem, they refer to something specific. But the "history of" was very ambiguous. MWQs (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And if you're asking an opinion, then yes I do think the Islamic State page has an inappropriate name. MWQs (talk) 11:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tajotep if I made an error please let me know what I need to do to correct it, or what I need to do differently in future? MWQs (talk) 12:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I asked for looking for a consensus and know your opinion about the move, because these things must be discussed firstly. If you see an article titled "Abaco islands", you can move it to "Abaco Islands" (capital letter) because it is wrong, but in the case of Fraser Island, for example, is not as easy, as you can see. So in this case is the same, it is better to discuss first to rename the article to "History of the so called Islamic State" for the reasons I explained you above, even though we all know that is not recognized as a state. But it is not an error or a serious error, don't worry. Tajotep (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that, even though the history is a minor page without much previews debate, I shouldn't have moved it because the name needs to match the major page? MWQs (talk) 22:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see the discussion about K'gari or is that just a coincidence? MWQs (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I knew I wasn't supposed to fix K'gari because someone had already started a discussion.

Do you mean I should start a discussion with {{subst:requested move}} on the Islamic State page? I wanted to do that but I was a bit confused by the template, so it kept going on my "I'll work it out later" list. I think I understand how it works now, from looking a bit more carefully at the example on K'gari.

But I want to double check I have understood you first, I am nervous about getting it wrong again.

MWQs (talk) 23:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing to know is that in some cases, the move of an article must be discussed, you can use WP:RM or the talk page of the article (I prefer it). Don't be nervous because, as I said, you didn't do someting wrong. I saw there was a discussion about K'gari and I used it as an example to try to explain it. I have observed an administrator has just renamed the article as it was before, with the same reason I gave you (it is more common to use the term "Islamic State", and there was no discussion about the move), so all is resolved. If you have more doubts, don't be afraid to ask. Greetings! Tajotep (talk) 09:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Chaotic Enby thanks for letting me know. Sorry, I was a bit over ambitious about how fast I could make that page, I have moved it to drafts now. MWQs (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I probably put the tag too fast, didn't see anything being added so I thought it was abandoned. Good luck with the draft! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, do you have any relationship to Irtapil (talk · contribs)? Your editing style is strikingly similar with very specific querks and at times what could be described as reckless editing particularly with a fixation on tables. One telling example are the following on October 7 attacks by Irtapil in January and then by you in June. The other suspicious point is the fact that this account was registered quite recently on April 29. Irtapil was topic banned from Palestine/Israel conflict not too long ago and Irtapil has basically only edited their own pages since then and hasn't even edited at all since May 7. Pinging other contributors who have had extensive contact with Irtapil to see if they agree with my assessment: @ScottishFinnishRadish: @Selfstudier: @BilledMammal: Iam Nexus (talk) 11:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your first edit to WP is this edit? I'm sorry, not going to take this at all seriously, in fact since this appears to be about AI/IP, broadly construed, I think you have no standing to even raise this. Selfstudier (talk) 11:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Selfstudier, Thank you. Do I need to do anything about this? Or just ignore it? The person who wrote it seems to be already blocked. MWQs (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing more to do. Selfstudier (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Except this Selfstudier (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Diannaa sorry about the extra notifications. I asked you about this somewhere else before I saw you had already answered here. I deleted the other message, so the conversation is just in one place. MWQs (talk) 09:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Death of Mahmoud Eshtewi, I found copyright material that matched the following websites:

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty
• https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4763162,00.html
• https://www.firstpost.com/world/gaza-thousand-mourn-death-hamas-chiefs-wife-baby-son-1673551.html/amp
• from the Haaretz article https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2018-03-07/ty-article-opinion/.premium/who-are-the-real-oppressors-of-gazas-gay-community-hamas-or-israel/0000017f-f034-df98-a5ff-f3bd1d870000, which is also visible at https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232088
• I also removed a copypaste of the relevant legislation that you included as part of your citation

On Capital punishment in the Gaza Strip, Capital punishment for homosexuality, and LGBT rights in the State of Palestine, I removed the same content copied from the Haaretz article, and the copypaste of legislation. The copyright status of the legislation itself as well as the English translation of the legislation is unclear, so I took it out.

In order to completely remove the material from the page history, all the intervening edits have to be hidden, from the time of insertion of the copyright material to its removal. This means that in many instances, harmless edits have to be hidden.

The content copied from Haaretz was the sentence that starts "Indeed, triggering the penalty..." and the prose that introduces the legislation is also copied from Haaretz. On the Death of Mahmoud Eshtewi I dug a little deeper because you'd added a lot more content, and found additional copied material from multiple sources that I had to remove. I will send you the details via email. — Diannaa (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa Thank you for explaining. I panicked a bit when I saw half the edits erased. Then got very confused when I couldn't see much missing. The e-mail is very helpful. much easier to get it right next time when I can see where I went wrong. MWQs (talk) 12:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you that have been editing and moving pages about the Islamic State and adding "so-called" in front of it. The official name of the group is “Islamic State”, and when you make these edits and moves it seems like ideological bias just because you hate the group. I’m not a lover of them, but this all reminded me of the unprofessionalism I saw on Azerbaijani wikipedia where they always put “so-called” in front of the Artsakh Republic anytime it is mentioned. In wikipedia we must try to keep a neutral point of view. Ilamxan (talk) 08:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ilamxan I'm leaving it alone for now. Someone pointed out a while ago that all the page names featuring that name need to match, so if I want to change it then I need to start a discussion to get a consensus on the main page, that's on my "maybe later" list. I won't change any others without discussion.

It's not analogous to Artsakh because the "so called" goes with Islamic as well as state. Referring to ISIS et al. as Islamic in a way that could be read as them being typical of Muslims is also not neutral. It needs some sort of qualifying statement and "so called" is the closest to meeting wp:common name.

Also Islamic State is too easily confused with Islamic state, having those two pages differentiated by just a capital S is a bit of a problem.

MWQs (talk) 09:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, its terrible to translate them in english. Islamic state in Arabic is Dawlatu Islamiyyah (Islamic state). Islamic State in Arabic is Al-Dawlatul Islamiyyah (THE Islamic State). Its a big difference that I wish was included on English sources too. Ilamxan (talk) 04:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ar:تنظيم الدولة الإسلامية (داعش)

ar:الدولة الإسلامية (مصطلح)

Wiki Arabic manage to distinguish more clearly.

MWQs (talk) 12:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roughly:

"Islamic State organisation (Da'esh)"

Tanzeem Al Dawah Al Islamiah (Da’esh)

ar:تنظيم الدولة الإسلامية (داعش)

"The Islamic state (general term)"

Al Dawah Al Islamiah (mustalaħu)

ar:الدولة الإسلامية (مصطلح)

I think it's actually the opposite way around to what you said, at least on wiki. Both add "Al" to Dawlah al-Islamia, but in the general term it's "the state" and in Da’esh the Al is being used to turn state into an adjective that describes "organisation". MWQs (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They don't use "so called" but "Da'esh" has a comparable connotation, it allegedly sounds quite silly, a nonsense word. Whereas arabic acronyms aren't usually just nonsense, e.g. Hamas means enthusiasm and Fatah means courage. I don't know if anyone other than those two orgs use them. PFLP, DFLP, PLO, well use Latin acronyms, and i can't think of any other examples on the spot. MWQs (talk) 13:08, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Islamic State group" is in the intro of history of the Islamic State. Similar to what Arabic Wikipedia has. That's an option for more clear but less aggressive than "so called"? MWQs (talk) 19:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@DaZyzzogetonsGotDaLastWord is this a new rule? Or is there a particular reason that edit needed an edit summary more than most? MWQs (talk) 23:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a rule, and it does not seem to be new: WP:UNRESPONSIVE asks editors to Be sure to leave a comment about why you made the change (edit summaries seem to be the easiest way to do this, though a talk page note would also work). Also, it isn't that that particular edit should have an edit summary (given that it's been 6 days (sorry!), I can't even remember what said edit was, though that's not helped by your consistent lack of an edit summary), but rather that all your edits should have an edit summary explaining what was changed or at least why (sometimes you can combine those: e.g. "fixed typo" has obvious reasoning). Hope that makes sense! – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 20:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC) Please do not ping on reply. I will still be notified.[reply]

Thanks. I turned on the reminder when I first saw this, I don't think I've missed any since then. MWQs (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! – Daℤyzzos (✉️ • 📤) 14:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I moved your template to: User:MWQs/Eastern Hemisphere topic and removed the delete template, you can work on it with no further interruptions. If you have any questions, ping my anytime, I'll try and help. I would like to work on the navbox, if you don't mind. Cheers, - FlightTime (open channel) 21:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FlightTime, Thank you. Is there anything I need to do when working with templates in userspace? Do I need to disable any features that could cause trouble? MWQs (talk) 22:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, nothing like that, just when starting any page (Article - Template) start the page with User:MWQs/pagename this will keep it in your userspace until you're ready to move it. - FlightTime (open channel) 22:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, make sure your page isn't in any categories. Gonnym (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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