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Hello Bastun,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged 2024 Masters (darts) for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want 2024 Masters (darts) to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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~ Tails Wx 19:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have requested the immediate deletion of my article about Leek RUFC.

It was widely established, and accepted, many years ago that any English rugby union club which plays, or has played, at level 5 or above is notable enough to have its own article. Leek is now playing at that level and this is why I created the article. Therefore I am not sure as to why you have asked for this article to be speedily deleted. Rillington (talk) 01:53, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Rillington, I replied at Talk:Leek RUFC. Cheers, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied. I hope you will accept that my reply is respectful and sticks to facts, and that it does not revert to displays of emotion/upset which, you will understand, does exist following this speedy deletion request.

I also want to respectfully make two observations which I feel are better suited to your talk page. Wouldn't it have been much more positive to have spend a short period of time improving the article rather than engaging in this speedy deletion request. If you had done this then the already several hours of my time which I have spent trying to counteract your speedy deletion request would have been spent more productively elsewhere on Wikipedia. Also, with hindsite, might it have been better to have left a note outlining your concerns on my talkpage rather than going for a speedy deletion? Rillington (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Rillington. We help the project where we can and where we have interest. So I edit articles of interest to me, and in my own case, I decided to help out doing some 'backroom' stuff. So, for context, I joined the Wikipedia:New pages patrol in the last couple of weeks. Checking WP's newly created pages involves following a somewhat convoluted procedure. After checking Leek RUFC against the standard 'General Notability Guidelines' (as teams don't have a specific notability one) I followed up by checking the specific guidelines for Rugby Union teams. As mentioned, Leek RUFC doesn't seem to meet those guidelines either, but if, as you say, there are already dozens of such articles, the logical thing to do would be to get that notability guideline changed on the Rugby Union project, as, as it stands, the article still doesn't appear to meet the GNG guidelines: A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

Likewise, no disrespect intended, but if you've spent several hours on the article since I tagged it, I'd expect it to be longer than two sentences and have some independent sources added. While I'm not going to nominate the article for deletion, it's quite possible somebody else will, and as it stands, it would not survive AfD. And no, I'm not a deletionist - the logs show I've tagged/patrolled 121 articles since 1st Jan, and nominated only 5 for deletion. One of those was in a foreign language, and one was about a family farm with no claim to notability or sources. Cheers, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your replies, and I am glad that you haven't taken any offence to my postings. Despite our disagreement, we remained respectful and civil and we should both be proud of this. Almost all of us have the same basic goal and that is to improve Wikipedia, and I know you share this goal with me.

Even before you made your point about only nominating 5/121 patrolled articles for deletion, I had already concluded that you are not a deletionist, and only hinted at this because you used such a draconian tool on this occasion. Rillington (talk) 06:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What The Banner said. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:00, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say thank you for your patience and your contributions to Black Irish (folklore). As a subject, it's proving to be one of the most contentious I've ever had to engage in on Wikipedia, and I appreciate having someone knowledgable "in the room" for the conversations on the Talk page. I don't know about the immediate future, but maybe a year from now, I could envision the article becoming semi-protected or some other kind of lock if it continues to attract a certain kind of user who is overtly interested in pseudo-history/pseudo-science.

I appreciate your efforts, CeltBrowne (talk) 18:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! I can't believe this... I hesitate to call it a "debate" has been ongoing for over a year now! :-) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 20:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bastun. I don't follow rugby so I know very little about it. I didn't know the sport doesn't have "friendlies", so-called.

I see at the friendly match article that rugby friendlies (as I call them, in my ignorance) are never called exhibitions or friendlies "as they always have Test match status", according to the article. I have heard of test matches in cricket but without knowing what that means, because I don't follow cricket either.

Concerning rugby, the article continues, "National teams sometimes play exhibition matches" and "preseason matches". What wasn't clear to me was what these games are called in rugby, if not friendlies, so perhaps that article could use a lick of clarification from an eggball expert like you to rehabilitate an ingenue like me.

I see you opted for "Autumn Nations Series" – I can only bow to your greater wisdom.

My knowledge of sport extends from football to throwing boomerangs and frisbees, so I'm vulnerable to the odd eyerolling "pfft" when I stray beyond my competence :) Thanks for the edit fix. Spideog (talk) 13:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Spideog, my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that edit summary, and I really hope that managed to come across! I am no rugby expert, just a fan, and about 50% of the time I have no clue why a penalty has been called at the breakdown! But essentially, yes, all international games, except warm-up matches on a tour (against, say, a club or provincial side, like when Munster beat the All Blacks, or against a "scratch" team like the Barbarians) count as "test matches" for world ranking points. Which decides things like seedings and pools for the Rugby World Cup. I'll have a look at the article you mention later. In the meantime - happy first day of Sixmas! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No offence taken! I saw your smileys and recognised my ignorance. Sixmas, huh? I thought it was The Day After Brigid's Day but, like rugby, I don't follow Christianity either, although I know the Old Testament contains six references to "pissing" which I was told was rude ;) Spideog (talk) 13:46, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bastun,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged NEXT GIRLZ for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want NEXT GIRLZ to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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CoconutOctopus talk 15:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bastun, can you tell me what is the promotional part that you saw on Mailbutler's page? Can you check Mailbird Wikipedia page to compare it? Thanks Sekulov (talk) 16:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sekulov, the whole page was essentially unambigious advertising or promotion. Articles on WP must be about notable topics, that meet the General Notability Guideline, i.e., "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." - but please read the page for a better understanding. Prior to deletion, the article essentially listed a bunch of features, and plugins that the app works with, i.e., promotional/advertising with no indication of notability or significance. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I see you had draftified Draft:Incomplete_database which I had moved to mainspace. Following your feedback I have gone over the article to make it clearer. I think this article is now is a good enough space for main space. If you agree, could you move it back and recreate the redirects that you had deleted? Thanks! a3nm (talk) 14:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi A3nm, for a draftified article, you will need to submit the page for review, per WP:AFCREVIEW. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:41, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm confused because I see the following in WP:DRAFTOBJECT: "If an editor raises an objection, move the page back to mainspace and, if necessary, list it at AfD." So I was thinking that, given my objection, you would undo the draftification and move back the article to mainspace. Could you do so? Thanks. a3nm (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I assumed that was a request, not an objection. That's done now. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! a3nm (talk) 08:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

		Special Edition New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		This award is given in recognition to Bastun for collecting more than 200 points during the January 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 16,070 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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		This award is given in recognition to Bastun for collecting at least 25 points during each week of the January 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 16,070 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 23:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aww! Thank you, Gerda, very much appreciated! <3 Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bastun,

Just letting you know I removed your CSD tag on Spice rack. You had tagged it under G4, but the article previously deleted was a redirect to "spice" at the same title, not the article that is currently present. CoconutOctopus talk 11:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! Thanks, CoconutOctopus, obviously my coffee hasn't kicked in yet! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Easy enough mistake to make and no harm done! CoconutOctopus talk 11:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Bastun,

I wasn't aware that I shouldn't link to drafts -- being very inexperienced, I was simply responding to the advice pages advice that drafts should not be left as 'orphans' by having no links to them from other related articles. I've completely misunderstood in that case. You have an eagle eye! Dmhball~enwiki (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Dmhball~enwiki, the bio page is on my watchlist. Just to note, the bibliography article should be referring to Cathal as Ó Searcaigh, not by forename, in common with the rest of WP. Although references aren't strictly needed for a bibliography, ISBNs. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bastun, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Global World Series, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: G4: not remotely similar to deleted article, and deletion discussion was nearly 10 years ago. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ivanvector. As I'm not an admin, I don't have visibility of deleted pages, but I can see the prior deletion discussion. What applied in that AfD seemed equally relevant to the current article. In fact, Spanneraol, who nominated the prior article for deletion, has also sent the re-created one to AfD. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ivanvector How can you say the new article is not "remotely similar to the deleted article"? It's about the exact same subject and the content is substantially the same. Spanneraol (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Bastun,

You draftified this article but didn't inform the article creator about this page move as you are supposed to have done. Either post a message yourself on their User Talk page letting them know where they can find their article or use a script like User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft that does it automatically for you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Liz, Will do.Still learning! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

In January, you had draftified Draft:Uncertain database. I have just gone over the draft to improve it, and I'd like to object (gently) -- I think it is ready to move back to mainspace now. Would that be possible? Thanks! a3nm (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, A3nm - that's done. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --a3nm (talk) 10:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't remove any of the CV text. That needs to be done before an admin can perform the RD. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, UtherSRG, I'll do that now. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, UtherSRG, the copyvio had already been removed following an AfC decline by Pythoncoder. I've updated the revdel template now to have correct diff. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! RD competed. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You draftified Cheerleader (Porter Robinson song) to draft without giving explicit reason for it. While checking th draft, there are reasonable number of sources for standalone or maybe short which can be expanded. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 11:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Otuọcha, I used the 'Move to draft' script, which leaves the reason in the edit summary (unless it's a custom reason, which this was), and which also fills in the full reason on the draftified page. Per WP:NSONG, trivial repeats of a press release announcing a new song do not count as significant coverage. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That can be a case of TOOSOON. Well, under WP:NCOVER, Songs that do not rise to notability for an independent article should redirect to another relevant article, such as for the songwriter, a prominent album or for the artist who prominently performed the song. It's best it's redirected to the singer. I suggest you do that or I do. (Passionate appeal) All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 11:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just an FYI, you aren't supposed to draftify articles more than once, as using draftspace is optional. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No one was talking about draftifying twice. OP in some way. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 19:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Otuọcha: I was talking to Bastun, who draftified the page twice. There was no point in making a separate talkpage section. Sorry for the confusion. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Owh! Alright. Just to clear claims. All the Best! Otuọcha (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Bastun

I am reaching out to you because of your previous participation in one of the discussions regarding the reliability and neutrality of HuffPost/Pink News/ProPublica as sources used on Wikipedia.

Currently, there is an ongoing issue with the Edelman Family Foundation section in the Joseph Edelman Wikipedia article. The section appears to be biased and lacks a balanced representation of the foundation's activities, as it primarily focuses on a single controversial donation while neglecting to mention the organization's numerous other significant contributions to various causes.

I would like to invite you to participate in the discussion on the BLP Noticeboard to address the concerns surrounding the section's neutrality and explore ways to improve its content. Llama Tierna (talk) 18:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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