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Hello. Regarding these recent edits of ours[1], maybe I'm missing something, but Basel-Stadt is not a city, it is a Canton of Switzerland, is it not? Therefore Category:People from Basel-Stadt doesn't belong in Category:People by city in Switzerland any more than Category:People from California belongs in Category:People by city in the United States. It's in Category:People by state in the United States just like Category:People from Basel-Stadt should be in Category:People by canton in Switzerland — which in fact it is — it shouldn't be in both canton and city categories is the point. --DB1729^talk 05:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DB1729:, it's a city-region, everything outside the urban area belongs to Basel-Landschaft. This is the only instance in Switzerland as far as I know, but Berlin and Hamburg are examples in Germany. The American examples you gave are false equivalences, the only near equivalent would be Washington DC (fully aware its not a state, but it is a geopolitical entity which only contains a city). If you want, I'm happy to create a separate set of categories for Basel the city within Basel-Stadt the canton, but it seems a bit unnecessary to me. Crowsus (talk) 07:06, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't read past the lead where it says "It is composed of three municipalities with Basel as the capital" which didn't remind me of Berlin, Hamburg or DC. Not sure what an equivalent example a "half-canton" would be. Don't worry about creating separate categories if you don't think it's needed. DB1729^talk 11:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's your criteria for adding people to Category:S.L. Benfica non-playing staff? I have been adding assistant coaches, and I don't recall Bruno Lage and Renato Paiva being assistants at Benfica. SLBedit (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @SLBedit:, they coached the youth teams. Crowsus (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but they also coached the main teams (first and B), so I don't see the purpose of putting them in the category. SLBedit (talk) 14:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have added new categories for some pages in my watchlist. For instance, you added the categories Comarques of the Province of Lleida and Pyrenees in the page Pallars Sobirà. However, that page is already in the category Pallars Sobirà. Doesn't make it more sense to add those new cats in the category Pallars Sobirà, rather than in the page Pallars Sobirà? The same thing happens with other pages. Best regards. Jotamar (talk) 21:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jotamar:. In terms of Comarques of the Province of Lleida, that should definitely be in the Pallars Sobirà article and all others in Lleida, because being a comarque of the province is its primary topic. A reader looking for this topic would expect to find the articles on each place, and not just the categories concerning them. To give a vague equivalent for Spain, the article for Madrid has the Municipalities in the Community of Madrid and Capitals of Europe categories, although both of those are also in the Madrid topic category. Crowsus (talk) 00:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya, all well? Hopefully so (it's me, your fellow Athletic fan from that country next to Spain)! Great job from "our" goalkeeper yesterday, fortunately :)

Can you find the correct number of Basque caps for this chap please? Certainly does not have two in one year (that or the date was not updated)...

Keep it up, kind regards 193.137.135.5 (talk) 12:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@193.137.135.5: hi there, hope you're well too, your usual hard work in the background has not gone unnoticed (even tho you've retired of course). Sabin does actually have 2 caps from that year, there was a end-of-season match against Corsica and the usual winter fixture against Tunisia. There were also 2 in 2007 (Venezuela and Catalonia) and 2011 (Estonia and Tunisia) and 3 back in 2006 (Serbia, Wales, Catalonia) but definitely not common, and scanning over this list, there seems to be only one other player that got 2 caps which both fell in the same calendar year - Joseba Zaldua played in those same games. Crowsus (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha! Okeydokey, i honestly thought they only played once come Christmas time, always learning :) Thanks for the info. --2001:8A0:767B:9C00:1513:52EB:FDB2:3FBD (talk) 20:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. I just saw this change. What is the rationale for differentiating by gender here? Robby.is.on (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Robby.is.on:, hi, not sure to be honest, I had nothing to do with its creation, the tree seems to date from 2014 and only be for States of Australia. Some of the States have had a category since about that time, but strangely the one you are referring to for Victoria, one of the most populous states of course, was seemingly only created in 2020. This seems to be a complete outlier in terms of categorisation, and were it nominated for deletion and upmerging back to Sportspeople, I would have no objection and would support it. However, I'm not going to do any nominating myself because I can't be bothered doing all the setting up for CfD, and while the intersection is there, it makes sense to divide the Sportspeople into Sportsmen and Sportswomen for each state - I guess any Trans folk would remain in Sportspeople, but haven't come across any of them as far as I know. It would be pretty easy to restore them all back to Sportspeople again in the likely event of a successful CfD. Cheers, Crowsus (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's curious. I understand that you don't feel like CfDing. It's a process I am not familiar with and I don't want to learn that now… Robby.is.on (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

oops - the diffs might not even relate to your edits in the first place,

apologies...

victoria is the parent cat, so to speak, and melbourne is the child,

hope that is enough explanation...

thank you very much for doing things - the melbourne/victoria subject

area is sorely in need of maintenance and rejigging - so thanks! JarrahTree 10:52, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@JarrahTree: Hi, no it's fine, the edits probably were me, was doubting whether to put them in Victoria and Melbourne as some are quite far out of the city. My opinion would be that the suburbs should stay in both the general Melbourne list and in the LGAs as its good to see a complete 'collection' and readers might not be sure in which LGA(s) they would be found, but if you think differently I'll happily defer, there is already the list article too.

I just stumbled across Melbourne stuff the other day and was quite surprised to see so little in the way of subcategories for a city of this size (in contrast to the articles themselves which are generally good quality IMO), I have a feeling the LGAs don't matter to a lot of local residents (not sure if you are one) but they definitely have some significance having been in that arrangement for close to 30 years, and nothing else admin-wise between state and suburb. The longstanding suburbs and towns (their names were about the only thing I knew about the city, from the AFL teams) will matter more to residents in some cases and I see there are a few of those, but they can generally fit neatly into the LGA trees, it's a bit too much 'local knowledge' for me to create much new at that level, populating the ~30 LGAs is proving quite enough without delving into the nuances of 400 suburbs. Please let me know if you spot I'm doing it wrong! Crowsus (talk) 12:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, anything is good - big problem is the drop off of editors who have interest in maintaining the areas that you are touching on - and I have no attachment to the larger Melbourne apart from disbelief of the neglect of material sadly in need of maintenance. My places of residence, were and are elsewhere... JarrahTree 13:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but some of the categorisations are puzzling. For example, in all the literature I've come across on Tom Roberts and Arthur Streeton, I can't recall any significant connection to Richmond. Appreciate the effort but personally I would be hesitant to overhaul a foreign city in this manner. Edit: Streeton was raised for a time in Richmond, my bad. - HappyWaldo (talk) 00:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HappyWaldo: my mistake sorry, there were some from Richmond who I changed but Roberts lived in Collingwood (which does not have its own category at present but has enough people for one, that would remove the anachronistic impression of seeing Yarra). Crowsus (talk) 08:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ulises12345678 (talk) 17:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have produced a list of Scottish districts at User:Crouch, Swale/Scottish districts for both 1975 and 1996 districts. Similar to the fact you created Glasgow (district) because the boundaries were changed in 1996 and merged Clackmannan (district) because the boundaries didn't change in 1996. Its indeed standard to not have separate articles if boundaries didn't change in a reform, see WP:UKDISTRICTS. Those that are marked with "no separate article" like Argyll and Bute (district) could be created if though necessary but it may not be worth having separate articles for many as the changes were often not significant. The one I'm not sure about is Kyle and Carrick/South Ayrshire as the order says South Ayrshire was formed from just Kyle and Carrick meaning it should be merged but the articles say (which is cited) that Dalmellington was moved to East Ayrshire suggesting we should keep separate articles. File:Kyle and Carrick.svg and File:South Ayrshire in Scotland.svg do show different areas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Crowsus. Just curious as to why you've categorised Don Chipp as "from the City of Darebin", which didn't exist at the time of his birth or anytime during his significant career. Where's your verification of the claim? Bjenks (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC) @Bjenks: "Don Chipp was born in Melbourne and educated at Northcote Primary School, Northcote High School" so pretty likely he lived in that area, nobody has bothered to create a category for Northcote so Darebin is the closest thing. Remove it if you like. Crowsus (talk) 11:45, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you add those England Census refs to Charles F. Simmons (footballer), and I wonder if you could do the same with Jaaames Reeeves (footballer). Thank you. Barr Theo (talk) 18:20, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re your recent amendment to P Serle, what is the significance of the "Glen Eira" reference? Serle was born in New St at the house owned by W K Thompson, partner in James McEwan and Co, which as I understand it is not in Glen Eira as it was. Secondly, he spent less than a year there as an infant, moving to East Melbourne (Powlett St), where the Serles lived for about 16 years before his father built in Hawthorn. Serle indeed spent much of his life at "Asolo", Church St Hawthorn, which he purchased in 1915. I suggest you delete the Glen Eira reference.Lexysexy (talk) 06:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Lexysexy: Hi, well, I thank you for giving me the option to delete rather than just going ahead yourself, I have no objection at all with it being removed, although I have to say, almost none of the details you wrote just now are in the article as it stands, only that he was born at Elsternwick. My intention is to add categories for all the suburbs that would have enough entries to justify their creation, that would reduce the anachronism of using modern geography terms like Glen Eira. As for Serle, clearly you have specific knowledge and interest so whatever you want to include or not is fine, I don't have the time or inclination to go through the nuances of every article, just trying to improve the categorisation of the city as a whole, across all topics, based on a few seconds of scanning what is in the body of the text, so inevitably there will be a few judgement calls that I get wrong. But, for example, East Melbourne isn't mentioned at all and Hawthorn only as a place of death so I'm not sure how I or anyone else is meant to know that in his life arc. So I respectfully suggest that you maybe add that in too if you have the time and sources. Crowsus (talk) 07:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Crowsus. I choose this route to avoid the plague of edit-warring. I will, in due course, add some of this personal detail to the Serle article - I have the necessary references.Lexysexy (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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You have previously edited Cardiff Arms Park. An editor has decided to split the article (yet again). I would like to know your view on the new edit....see Talk:Cardiff_Arms_Park#Article_Split_(again). SethWhales ^talk 20:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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If this is not the clearest case of WP:CIR, then i don't know the first thing about WP rules: 15 December 2022, user adds (as habitually! They also invent titles of sources and translates them using Google T! Another good example would be Javi Navarro (footballer, born 1974), played no games in a specific season for Valencia CF due to a serious injury, they go on a rant saying how he joined his teammates and received his medal for the 1999 Copa del Rey Final using...his Footballdatabase.eu profile as source!) ref for his initial problems/injuries at Real Sociedad, using a website (Fichajes.com) with a newspiece from BEFORE the start of the season (he had just signed for club)! I browsed and browsed the web for a ref for his 32 games/4 goals, but came out empty and gave up :(

Happy Christmas to you and yours, keep safe (16 years, dunno what i'm still doing here, but i'll hang on i guess)! 193.137.135.5 (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Found ref for that season totals, cheers! --193.137.135.5 (talk) 14:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@193.137.135.5: Hi, yeah its clearly bad form to claim he struggled, and re-name a ref to support that narrative when it's not the correct content - and I don't recall him struggling much when he joined anyway, why would someone from 100km away have trouble 'adapting'? I will try to keep an eye out for them and other problem edits/editors, well done to you for spotting so many that might otherwise go un-noticed. All the best for the season and new year. Crowsus (talk) 14:53, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An article you recently created, William Lindsay (Scottish footballer), is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:59, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's nice; I've restored this unilateral action. Feel free to take it to AfD instead. Crowsus (talk) 15:27, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For the first, this is not Rapid Wien, but Rapid JC - the team from the Netherlands and the list is not uncorrect. For the second, what is "unformatted"? For the third a) the list is currently unsourced, but this can change in the next time b) this is in the current and previous article and logical c) this is important Metufit (talk) 13:28, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FFS, nearly a full year ago. Unformatted means you couldn't be bothered to create links for the teams. Unsourced means you added the list without providing any source. Crowsus (talk) 14:59, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Crowsus, this and similar categories shouldn't be used if the subject is already in a subcategory, such as Category:Federal politicians from South Australia. Thanks. ITBF (talk) 01:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ITBF: hi, thanks for your message. The categories seem a bit mixed up, the 'Federal politicians' subcat has representatives for all the constituencies regardless of their personal origin, which may well not be SA. It should probably be titled Federal politicians in/of South Australia, or match some of the other states i.e South Australia federal politicians. The location of the politician's office should be a separate branch from that of their personal origin so ideally there should be a category for South Australians who were politicians regardless of where they were elected, although I realise the vast majority for SA will be from Adelaide, which has a category in this regard, so not a massive deal. Crowsus (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

...and their WP:CIR: section/wording about Mikel Merino's Copa del Rey is already well sourced (with mentions to pandemic as well), they go an add another ref, from the The Guardian. Name of news article is "Real Sociedad beat Athletic to claim Copa del Rey and Basque glory", they name it "Mikel Merino won his first Copa del Rey"... Getting REALLY tiresome!

Have a nice week, regards RevampedEditor (talk) 17:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• More, at Pablo Alfaro: apparently, Spanish refs are now in English, and now you spot the differences in titles: One ref is titled "Pablo Alfaro: "It was tough to leave Sevilla"", for this guy it's "Pablo Alfaro leaves Sevilla F.C. for Racing Club"; another one "Pablo Alfaro will be one of the Cantabrian additions", they name it "Pablo Alfaro is the new Racing signing"; the third one, which i reverted because his personal life was already properly sourced with TWO, changed from "Pablo Alfaro" to "Pablo Alfaro has the medicine degree"!

Apparently, no one paying attention to this but me, and i'm getting tired... --RevampedEditor (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove Norwegian footballers from the Norwegian footballers category. In the past, I have wrongfully done this exact same behavior, and I was warned by an administrator that if I do it again I will be banned. I feel it is fair to you that I warn you before I have to report your disruptive editing. I would appreciate it if you put the edits back, because reverting your disruptive edits took me forever. Please do not engage in edit warring. That is also a bannable offense unfortunately. Thank you. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:22, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

''Fooian women's footballers'' is the base category, with the whole list a subcategory of ''Fooian footballers''. Not sure where you are getting the idea it's anything else. Thanks for the warning, but I'm in the right. Crowsus (talk) 10:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have already spoken to administrators about this. Some categories only allow subcategories, because the scope is so large. Norwegian footballers is NOT one of them. The category Norwegian footballers is a list of names. Then you can go further to see subcategories separated by the footballers' age, gender, international status, etc. There are 2,196 names currently under the Norwegian footballers category. You have taken care to only remove my edits and leave the other 2,196 alone. The names that I have added to that list belong there. Again, I've done the same thing as you in the past by mistake, and I was threatened with a ban. We don't need to fight. You need to top preventing a list of 2,196 Norwegian footballers from becoming 2,300 Norwegian footballers. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:37, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Link me to your chat with the administrators. There are 200 categories for Women's footballers and none of them also have the Footballers category on each article. Even for the Danish list, only 50 of the 178 articles had the 'double cat'. So either 120 were wrong, or 50 were wrong. Crowsus (talk) 10:42, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is on my talk page. I tried correcting that problem, but you reverted it! Why are you reverting it just because it wasn't that way before? That is the point of being able to edit an article at any time, the previous version is not always correct. Explain why you are reverting without just saying "It used to be that way before." That makes no sense. Being in two similar categories is correct when it's non-diffusing for GENDER. That has always been the rule on wikipedia. For example, a Norwegian painter and a Norwegian women's painter are two categories and the painter has BOTH of them on their page. Footballers are not magically different. This is the universal rule on wikipedia. Adding a gender does NOT make the normal category wrong. 50 were correct. 120 were simply neutral by not having it there, but also not saying it shouldn't be there. I am trying to help the other slacking 120 pages go up to the level of the other 50, which are properly categorized. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:54, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Women's sport is different because they are split by gender. A female painter is a painter, but a female footballer is a player of women's football. I have looked at your talk page, it mostly consists of you being politely corrected having made up your own (well-intentioned) rules for things that go against consensus. By the way, I have also found (having had similar arguments) that categorisation norms differ between topics and even between sports in that genre. So unless you can show me some discussion on this specific topic where your idea that all women's footballer/sportspeople articles should be in a nationality category AND a gendered nationality category, I'm going to assume it's just something you have decided to pursue unilaterally when the convention is clearly the opposite. No big deal, I do things like that too, but when someone challenges it, the changer need to demonstrate that there's been some effort to consult others and get agreement. And just to confirm, it is you who is the changer here. Crowsus (talk) 11:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a lot of experience listening to other people's opinions and learning. In the past I would have agreed with you, but I was politely corrected by admins and editors multiple times on this exact topic. You are against consensus. A woman who plays football in Norway is a Norwegian footballer. That's the correct category, and removing her from that is disruptive editing. You not only removed my edits, you removed hundreds of other people's. Please do not make a personal attack. She is a Norwegian footballer. She is also a Norwegian women's footballer. If I attempted to put her in the category for Norwegian men's footballers, it would be wrong because sport is separated by gender and she is not a man. But I simply put her in the category for Norwegian footballers. Are you claiming Norwegian women's footballers are not footballers in Norway? This is getting ridiculous. For example, Asbjørn Aamodt is in the Norwegian footballers category. He is also in the Norway international footballers category. This is a non-diffusing category. If women's football was somehow not football(?), it would not be a subcategory under the football category... Merely being a category under the Norwegian footballers category shows that women's footballers belong in the long list of Norwegian footballers. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 11:17, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I'll make it easy for you. Go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and state your case that you believe all the women's footballer articles should have the base category and the gendered category. There are plenty of folk on there so you should get a quick reply. I expect most, if not all will be similar answers that I have given, but if they agree with you, great. That then becomes the consensus, and I would be happy to help to apply that consensus, I have a tool that can add it to each nationality with minimal effort. You could also try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's sport as that relates to the overarching idea that women's sport category trees should be separate - although I'm not sure how many editors are active there. Feel free to tag me and link to this discussion(s) - or not, if you don't want this chat to influence that one. Crowsus (talk) 11:29, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar enough with wiki yet to know how to do that. I have trouble even posting on the tea house. Of course the women's sports category is separate from the men's. Absolutely no one is arguing that. I am simply saying Norwegian women's footballers (which is a category under Norwegian footballers...) ARE Norwegian footballers. They DO NOT belong in the men's category. They simply belong in the Norwegian footballers category. The only reason I'm even doing this is because I personally had difficulty using wikipedia as a tool to find footballers when there's a category for "general" Norwegian footballers that doesn't even include the women, but then there's a women's category and no men's category. It's just utterly confusing. This is a bad format that should be changed asap. The common sense thing to do would be to have the Norwegian footballers category for... Norwegian footballers. Then have non-diffusing subcategories for men, women, youth, international, expatriate, or whatever else they need. I'm really sorry for arguing so much. This is just exhausting after I spent hours and days trying to make the pages a little less off-putting to navigate, and then it just gets reverted within a second. There can't be a Norwegian footballers category if Norwegian footballers aren't even allowed in that category. It is clearly easier navigation for sports articles to be done like every other subject on wikipedia, with a non-diffusing men and women's category. I was going to try to add a men's category, but that is a daunting task since I don't have a tool to do mass edits. Do you agree with this? Do you think this a project you could help me with? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There have been recent discussions at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_152] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_155] (search for "men's") to bring it up. There is support for the concept of adding men's categories rather than them just being the assumed default, but implementing it has stalled due to the technical aspects and the vast amount of articles that would be involved. I can confirm that other women's sports follow the diffusing model, so I will ask there about the reasoning behind it. Crowsus (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like the consensus is to categorize male and female footballers the same way, but just that nobody has completed it in its entirety yet because it's a large task? I was trying to contribute task by hand, but that got reverted, so now I'm confused. We should start the task now, at least work on it little by little, not just put it off forever and leave wikipedia unfinished because it's time-consuming. I don't see the need to make a new discussion thread about the topic (I also don't really know how) when there has already been consensus saying we should categorize male and female footballers the same way. Should we just resume the task? For example, there is already a category Swiss men's footballers. Swiss women's footballers are already named in the Swiss footballers category. There should be a Norwegian (and every other country) men's footballers list as well. Why not add Norwegian women's footballers to the Norwegian footballers list like I did? I was just continuing what was already started. In fact I didn't even start doing that until I saw someone else add "Danish footballers" on an article of a woman I created. I only had Danish women's footballers, then someone edited my article and added Danish footballers, so I followed suit with the rest of the articles I created, and looked for similar ones. Do we need to start a new discussion or can we just start the work? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 02:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Contributing to a project page is just the same as to an individual page. Hopefully you got the notification at the Women's Sport project re my request for clarification on why it is gendered at the highest level. As things stand, we can create the men's footballer categories, but it would still be the same pattern as other sports: there would be Fooian men's footballers or Fooian women's footballers on each article, but not Fooian footballers. Crowsus (talk) 09:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the notication but I just looked it up now. Thanks. Do you think it would be easiest to convert the Norwegian footballers category to be Norwegian men's footballers (if that is possible?) so we don't have to erase thousands of men from the Norwegian footballers category? I agree with you that sports should be split by gender more than painting, for example. (However that may get confusing for women who played on men's club teams... So it is split by the person's gender, not the "gender of the sport" they played.) But what I'm saying is having a Norwegian footballers category that has men and not women is NOT splitting it by gender. That's ungendered, and then split into a subcategory? That's super weird and makes no sense. I think we're on the same page now (sorry for arguing earlier), so how do we start this project? Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind that for now, I see you've been adding Expatriate footballers on top of articles with Expatriate women's footballers. This is clearly overcategorisation. It doesn't come under the scope of 'should it be a national+gender+occupation', it is an additional, separate category tree. The women's category is clearly a subcat of the main category - as above, for equality there should probably be a men's category for each country, but what is not in doubt is that only either the women's category or the men's (currently the parent) is required. Crowsus (talk) 22:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for moving Danish footballers! I'll start doing that for other countries. I agree there's no need for someone to be under expatriate footballers and expatriate women's footballers because it's excessive. The problem is just that women are not a type of man, so a women's category can't be inside the men's category for any subject. Thank you for fixing that category as well. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 03:34, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crowsus I don't think your edits are necessarily disruptive, but where is the consensus for these mass changes that will affect literally hundreds of thousands of article? GiantSnowman 10:28, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That would be at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 188#RfC: Categorise male footballers in the same way that we categorise female footballers. Crowsus (talk) 11:51, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's the one. The RFC is nearly a year old, never implemented, and the closer said that "There is consensus in favor of both the main proposal and the subproposal. However, these options are contradictory". In any event, did you not think to discuss the logistics of this (such as by getting a bot to do it?) rather than diving into it and flooding watchlists with changes? GiantSnowman 11:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Um, that's only half the sentence, the whole of which is "However, these options are contradictory, meaning that the main proposal overrides the subproposal's consensus due to wider participation." So it has consensus. The logistics were discussed here but nobody bothered to do anything beyond Gunnar Larsen's semi-serious efforts with Switzerland, discussed here. You and I both commented on that, yes CfD was proposed there, but again months down the line nobody had made any move to implement and now we have Helpfulwikieditoryay manually double-categorising women's articles to make a point, but accusing me of disruptive editing when I am following the current conventions by fixing them. I could see CfD being a long and annoying process, because it always is, potentially with problems at the top level if you're re-naming Fooian footballers to Fooian men's footballers but still need a 'new' Fooian footballers above that as container for the Men's and Women's lists (and things that don't need split). Denmark is one of the countries Helpfulwikieditoryay was most interested in, so I have started there, basically finished now. There may well be issues to iron out before this format can be taken forward to other countries, but this way at least the categories are there to be populated (or deleted) rather than everyone ignoring it or waiting for someone else to do it. A bot will still be quicker for the bigger countries, but starting it manually should make more editors aware of the situation if they weren't paying attention - the more obvious the better IMO, and if anyone wants to spit the dummy about the whole thing they will get the opportunity to put their point in, although they'd probably have missed the boat there. Crowsus (talk) 13:01, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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You need to pause your category creation ASAP. There are a few issues that need to be discussed and many of your new categories appear frivolous. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nah thanks anyway but I'll create them as I please, as they are valid in my opinion, and they can be discussed in due course. Crowsus (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've made about a dozen categories solely containing one man who matched the contents of most of those categories for less than a year. These categories serve no real purpose. You should stop. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, Crowsus, you need to stop edit-warring over which categories articles should go into. Continuing with this activity can lead to a loss of editing privileges. Please discuss categorization on the article talk page and do not just undo or revert another editor's changes. I know that it takes at least two editors to edit-war but this message is directed at you. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Liz, what changes are you referring to in that context? Crowsus (talk) 23:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm blanking on the category I was looking at yesterday where this was happening. But you and another editor kept moving articles in and out of a category. It made a big enough impression on me that I came to your talk page to leave you a note but not enough that I remember the specific category in question. If I remember, I'll let you know.

Also, please do not remove CSD tags from pages you have created. If a category is no longer empty, another editor can untag the page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, think I know the one you're talking about. Part of the thing was that we were both using cat a lot and not watching the page (at least I wasn't) so it was a kinda indirect thing bouncing between us. To end that impasse, I did do a manual edit with a summary explaining my reasoning and the holes in theirs, but I take your point. Sorry about the untagging, wasn't aware of the protocol there, I thought I was helping by taking it out of the 'list'. Crowsus (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per the outcome of community discussion, please see my initial comment. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Crowsus - so you've adding Connor to the Canadian_expatriate_ice_hockey_players_in_the_United_States category based on his 3 years in the OHA playing in Erie PA, is that correct? If so, that's ridiculous. We will see what our colleagues think about it. PKT(alk) 02:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have evidence that he was based in Canada for those 3 years and made the 250-mile round trip for every Erie game, fair enough. Maybe the whole team does the commute, you will know better than me how it works at that level. Crowsus (talk) 03:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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寒吉 (talk) 07:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who's created/updated a bunch of VGK prospect articles, thanks for putting in the effort to create and detail Brabenec's; it looks great! I've since added stats and I'll add his honors/awards table later. The Kip (talk) 17:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Crowsus (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya!

Do you agree with this page move? I don't, and this user has the custom of doing this, pulling these undiscussed page moves from his wiki-hat and it's getting to be really annoying.

Spanish people (and Portuguese ones, i guess) are occasionally known by two first names (i.e. "Miguel Ángel" in Spain, "João Pedro" in Portugal) i suppose that, following that "logic", José Antonio Reyes should be moved to "José Reyes"!

Take care, enjoy the rest of that weekend RevampedEditor (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I've put it back. However, looking at the refs, most of them do seem to refer to him as just Miguel so that may be sufficiently strong argument to change it once again. But it merits discussion, as should have been done the first time around... Crowsus (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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