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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020[edit]

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Kansas Bear/Battle of Save moved to draftspace[edit]

An article you recently created, Kansas Bear/Battle of Save, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. ─ The Aafī (talk) 05:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I forgot to add User in front of my name to create the sandbox version. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Gratian[edit]

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request[edit]

I saw that you lately edited in the Zirid dynasty page. So I want to call you to join the active discussion in talk page and give us your opinion. We really need more opinions on the subject. And it would be very much appreciated if someone experienced with wiki to join. Sss2sss (talk) 10:24, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Gratian[edit]

The article Gratian you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Gratian for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Borsoka -- Borsoka (talk) 01:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Smh. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have just realized that I misunderstood your last remark. I thought you had withdrawn the request for the review. Sorry for my misunderstanding. Borsoka (talk) 01:34, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

request[edit]

I am sorry if I am annoying you with my request. But this thing has got me very mad and nervous. I want to draw your attention to the same page of talk I invited you some days ago. (the one for the capital of the zirid dynasty). The main argument between me and [M.Bitton] is very weird I tried to push him to join the talk and defend his opinion but he never wanted or accepted to I found myself just linking to some sources with no one who hears me. Even when I tried to edit the page to just get him to talk. He would always just revert my eddit without giving any note in talk page.(I know that the edits I have done are considered as vandalism since there is no agreement in talk page. But as like that I have said to you that really got me mad and I don't really care if Iget a ban). I want to apologise for getting you into this. But really what should I do ? Sss2sss (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020[edit]

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Hello.[edit]

I would like to sort this out peacefully. Ulyvoei (talk) 02:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Go to the article talk page and get consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment[edit]

Hi. Would you please comment on this RSN topic? I need a clear answer for the future edits/reviews. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 13:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hephthalite–Sasanian War of 484[edit]

Hi User:Kansas Bear , Can you look at this page? [1] I think it's a reliable source, but it's been deleted. What do you think?--Shakshak31 (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is a self-published source by a non-specialized author. So it is not a WP:RS. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Imperial Brothers: Valentinian, Valens and the Disaster at Adrianople.[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear, you don't happen to possess Imperial Brothers: Valentinian, Valens and the Disaster at Adrianople.? I can view a reasonable amount of it on Google books, but unfortunately it doesn't show any page numbers, so its kinda useless. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Found it too! --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Battle of Bagrevand (372)? --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand x). I mainly need the source to expand Armenian-related articles, including the Bagravand one I guess. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I have the book. Most of my library is still in disarray, so finding a particular book is usually a bit of a search(hence the "Found it" part). I can tell you the battle of Barevand/Bagavan is listed on pages 102-104. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Khalaj people[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear, please look at the article of the Hephthalites (especially the origins part). Their origins are disputed. I deleted that part for that. --Shakshak31 (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brill: Subutai[edit]

Hi Kansas Bear. Do you have access to this non-free source from Brill?[2] Google search/cache only shows this text "...that Subutai was Tuvan. However, as Rashiduddin notes elsewhere, the group to which Subutai belonged was “separate and distinct” from the forest people.25..." and I need the full text for reviewing this section Subutai#Early life. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently not. And I checked Jstor and it is not listed there. Did you ask LouisAragon? --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:17, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No. Is there any other way to access it? e.g. a list of Wikipedians who have Brill account. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:06, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wario-Man: I recently obtained full, permanent access to most online databases (including most publications of Brill) through my university. That means no more WP:REX needed for things like the third edition of the Encyclopedia of Islam, amongst many others. @HistoryofIran: @Al Ameer son: @Attar-Aram syria: @Wikaviani: thought I'd let you know as well. - LouisAragon (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wario-Man: Here's the relevant passage from the source you linked. Please let me know if you need more text from the same source:

"It also frequently appears in secondary literature that Subutai was of the Reindeer People, since there was a forest-dwelling group of people in the northwest of Mongolia who had the exonym of Uriyangqai, irrespective of whether they were Turkic or Mongolic speakers. Describing these people of the forest, Rashiduddin (Rashid al-Din) notes that they raised wild animals in the forest, travelled on sleds, and loathed the idea of living on the steppe and raising sheep or cattle like typical Mongolian nomads.24 Evidently this description of the Uriyangqai has been attached to Subutai in literature. Moreover, since the tribal name later became associated with the Tuvans, there is a persistent myth that Subutai was Tuvan. However, as Rashiduddin notes elsewhere, the group to which Subutai belonged was “separate and distinct” from the forest people.25 In fact, the clan to which he belonged was the Uriyangqat.26 The very slight difference in the form of the name, and the fact that there exists an obvious etymological connection, has led to much confusion for later scholars. However, the group to which Subutai belonged was situated among the Mongols in the Onon-Kherlen region of northeast Mongolia, closely affiliated with Chinggis Khan’s own tribal grouping, and had the practices of steppe nomads. The only detailed story of his youth, recounted in both his Yuan Shi biographies, is that Subutai and his brother rode to rescue their father from robbers while he was herding sheep. The entire narrative unfolds in a very traditionally Mongolian set of circumstances. Perhaps the sense of irony conjured by imagining that the Mongol Empire’s greatest general was a reindeer-herding outsider to steppe nomadic culture has a strong literary appeal to modern authors".

- LouisAragon (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, goodies...[edit]

Are we back to this again? Thanks for the revert, btw. Ealdgyth (talk) 01:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would appear so I'm afraid.--Kansas Bear (talk) 02:25, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020[edit]

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Opinion/Comment[edit]

Hi. You may be interested in this discussion. Cheers! --Wario-Man (talk) 08:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing matter which directly relates to you[edit]

Notice of noticeboard discussion[edit]

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Season's Greetings[edit]

Season's Greetings
Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and a beautiful and productive New Year! पाटलिपुत्र Pat (talk) 16:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks! Stay safe and healthy! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Ho Ho[edit]

Thanks! Stay safe and healthy! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays[edit]

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2021!

Hello Kansas Bear, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2021.
Happy editing,

Wario-Man (talk) 13:41, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank you! Stay safe and healthy!--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Natalis soli invicto![edit]

Natalis soli invicto!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Stay safe and healthy!--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas ![edit]

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Thank you! Stay safe and healthy! --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article has many problems regarding his names, titles, etc. Can you help? Thanks in advance. Beshogur (talk) 17:58, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is out of my area of specialization. I would suggest contacting someone on Wikipedia that knows linguistics. Sorry. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya[edit]

I don't have any written document about Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya. But there is a Turkish language article on the book in online-cyclopaedia Islam Ansiklopedisi. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Beshogur gave me the bad news. It is written in Persian. :(
I will keep on searching. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Re:[edit]

Hey. Good to hear from you as well. I just skimmed through the article and it looks as if it mainly deals with the origins of the Armenian Catholic community in Nakhichevan. It doesn't seem to discuss demographic changes that took place in the region during the early modern period. You may want to consult the works of Sebouh Aslanian (From the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean) and Edmund Herzig to see if they might have anything to say about the subject. Best, Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021[edit]

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Russo-Turkish War 1676 1681 result[edit]

And your interpretation for the result of this war means nothing.

Rhoads Murphey "Ottoman Warfare 1500-1700" book is written; "In the decades preceding the Ottomans’ attempted siege of Vienna in 1683 Ottoman armies had successfully prosecuted single-front wars in Hungary (the sieges of Varad [Oradea] in 1660 and Uyvar [N. Zamky] in 1663), Crete (the siege of Candia [Heraklion] between 1667 and 1669], Poland (the siege of Kamanice [Kamanetz-Podolsk] in 1672 and Russia (the siege of Çehrin [Chyhyryn] in 1678)" page number 9. Karakeçi24 (talk) 21:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not interpreting anything. And the Russo-Turkish War 1676-1681 already has Ottoman victory(with Rhoads Murphey, Ottoman Warfare, 1500-1700 as a source) AND Indecisive. Both with reliable sources. So what is your problem?
  • "Brian Davies, Warfare, State, and Society on the Black Sea Steppe, 1500-1700, page 170;"Furthermore, already from late 1677 Moscow's primary objective in the war had become the protection of Kiev and the Left Bank, and by this test the first Muscovite-Ottoman War could be said to have ended on terms advantageous to Moscow, terms won through the action of the Muscovite and Left Bank Ukrainian armies following the destruction of Chyhyryn. Victory was achieved in two ways."
If I were interpreting anything, I would say Davies is stating a Russian victory, yet oddly I have not added Russian victory. On page 172, Davies is referring to the siege of Chyhyryn and not the war itself as a whole.
FYI, continued edit warring can get you blocked. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS, I will not respond to personalized comments like this. And such comments can lead to a block. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:30, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schmitt (2018)[edit]

Would you agree with this change?[3] Just to make sure I understood the source correctly. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Might be of use @HistoryofIran: @Qahramani44::

"It is important to note, however, that despite the unfounded claims of some Azeri historians, there was no united anti-Iranian movement, nor any regional, ethnic, or national identity, or plans for an independent state. The short-lived efforts of King Erekle II, Ebrahim Khan of Qarabagh, and Fath ʿAli Khan of Qobbeh to establish total hegemony over the South Caucasus all ended in failure. Such assertions have become more common among Azeri historians after 1989; for example, see, Dzh. M. Mustafaev, Severnye khanstva Azerbaidzhana i Rossiia (Baku, 1989) and E. Babaev, Iz istorii giandzhinskogo khanstva (Baku, 2003). In fact, after Stalin’s failure to annex Iranian Azarbayjan in 1946, Soviet historians not only proclaimed that the khanates were never part of Iran and were independent entities, but began (and have continued to do so after 1991) to refer to Iranian Azarbayjan as south Azerbaijan, which had been separated from north Azerbaijan, see V. Leviatov, Ocherki iz istorii Azerbaidzhana v XVIII veke (Baku, 1948). Such absurd notions are completely negated by Article III of the Golestan Treaty and Article I of the treaties between Russia and the khans of Qarabagh, Shakki and Shirvan; see Appendix 4."

-- Bournoutian, George (2020). "Georgia and the Khanates of South Caucasus in the Second Half of the Eighteenth Century" in From the Kur to the Aras: A Military History of Russia’s Move into the South Caucasus and the First Russo-Iranian War, 1801-1813. Brill. p. 249 (note 4)
- LouisAragon (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sock farming and long-term abuse[edit]

Hi. I saw your SPI case Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Karakeçi24. I think it's related to two other similar SPI cases:

In my opinion, this a non-stop organized nationalistic quest and WP:MEATPUPPET. It seems these users work together via social media and chat. Someone should take it to WP:AN or WP:ANI. Wario-Man talk 13:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making me aware of this situation. I will mention it to Oshwah. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good. Please notify other admins who are familiar with the targeted topics/articles if you can. Cheers! Wario-Man talk 14:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021[edit]

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Arjomand[edit]

Just checking. Do you think these additions were in line with the added material?[4]-[5] - LouisAragon (talk) 00:23, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021[edit]

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Adelaide[edit]

Article improvement
Thank you! Miha (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are most welcome! --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Gilbert Reaney moved to draftspace[edit]

An article you recently created, Gilbert Reaney, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Mccapra (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks for notifying me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Safavid Georgia[edit]

Have you got any logical argument against my editions in this article? Those 3 users try to Persianise and Islamise the names of Georgian Kings. They WERE NOT Persians and Muslims, they were Georgians and Christians, one of them is the saint of Georgian Orthodox Church. All academic society knows them with their Georgian names. BTW Can you imagine Christianisation of the names of Muslim kings in Wikipedia, will it be right?Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should self-revert as C.Fred suggests. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, if we had article in Wiki where instead of David II of Scotland was written Dawud Khan of Scotland, would it be normal and logical? Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You do not listen. You had a 3rr warning on your talk page which, if you took the time to read it, explains everything. So all your "normal and logical" nonsense, means nothing. Do not post here again. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Khwarazmian dynasty § Splitting proposal. VisioncurveTimendi causa est nescire 06:44, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021[edit]

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Requesting some article expansion help[edit]

Greetings,

We are working on a Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları about Ottoman times female slavery with a special focus on the state of non-elite common women slavery in those times.

Please do have a look at Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları and help expand the draft with (East European) refs if you find topic interested in.

This request is being made to you since you seem to have supported various articles with suitable refs.

Thanks and warm regards

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Battle of Mohi[edit]

Greetings! I don't care much about McLynn as a reliable or unreliable source. The fact is that the source himself claims "several hundred losses" among the troops exclusively under the command of Batu, but he is only one of 6 Mongol leaders who participated in this battle. (In other articles you can see that each of the Mongolian leaders had their own army, so it cannot be assumed that he was the "general" of the entire Mongolian army in the battle). Therefore, I consider it wrong to insert McLynn's content into the column of the total losses of the Mongolian army? HernánCortés1518 (talk) 21:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • "I don't care much about McLynn as a reliable or unreliable source."
I do not care much for McLynn either. However, unless we get a consensus on the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard that McLynn is an unreliable source, it can and will be used.
  • "The fact is that the source himself claims "several hundred losses""
Yet according to what I found in the McLynn source,"It is true that Batu found a few hundred fatalities at Mohi too many, but he had only his own blundering to blame."
What page did you find several hundred losses?? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that isn't the competence of the noticeboard. WP: OR - editors is forbiden to interpret sourced statements in own way. McLynn did not explicitly state that the Mongols lost "several hundred" in this battle, but only referred to the losses in the army of Batu, one of the many Mongol leaders who fought in this particular battle. This misleading part was initialy inserted by a banned user that was in conflict with you. And yes “few” or “several” hundreds: it makes no difference, I didn't quote (these are synonyms) - it’s just wrong to insert into the article what the sources doesen't say. I think there is no need for "noticeboard consensus" about wiki rules? This "few hundred" thing just should be deleted from atricle. HernánCortés1518 (talk) 01:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but unless the noticeboard states that the McLynn source is unreliable, it has to stay. It would be this way with any source. My like or dislike of a source is immaterial. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable additions[edit]

Hi. Take a look at these recent changes[6], the citations look unreliable and the other changes seem like personal commentary. Wario-Man talk 08:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can not find a copy to verify any of that information. The Ancient Turks book is older and should be checked at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard concerning its reliability.
D. Ahsen Batur appears to be just a journalist. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:30, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As you see, that new user reverted one of my 2020 reverts[7] and I got notified because of it. The revert is about some DNA studies. It's not my concern because it needs to be reviewed by the editors who are familiar with DNA and genetic studies. Currently I contribute to another WP project so I don't watch, edit, and patrol topics such as history, ethnic groups, and other related content anymore. I'm retired from editing those topics (personal reasons). Just wanted to notify you. @LouisAragon: Your thoughts? Wario-Man talk 17:02, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a sockpuppet. Their revert was of your revert back in October of 2020! They can take their concerns to the talk page. Would be a good idea to notify Beshogur, as well. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does not look new to me too and it could be a SPI case; e.g. this blocked user and the other activities[8] since 14 June 2021. Also more odd stuff[9][10] by another user. Wario-Man talk 18:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You should notify EdJohnston and make him aware of this nonsense. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnstar Bear![edit]

Barnstar Bear!
Reviving an old classic. For lifting often impenetrable fogs so as to clear the skies, tirelessly and for countless years. Keep up the great work! Best wishes, El_C 20:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, El C! --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Germiyanid talk page[edit]

can you take a look at the page again i added some resources under what you wrote. Burtigin (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Priscillianists[edit]

Hello,

Thank you for clarifying about the meaning of the Gallic Chronicle in describing the Priscillianists as Manichaeans. As an important primary source I feel it would be beneficial to mention what the Gallic Chronicle states on this event in the articles Treveri and Magnus Maximus. I am working on a suitable integration now with the source you mentioned. Do let me know if you want changes.

Vaurnheart (talk) 23:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest not using a primary source especially since that is a blog. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I could instead provide the wikisource for the Gallic Chronicle directly, if I can find an English translation. Vaurnheart (talk) 23:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should avoid primary source(s) for this information and try to find secondary source(s) for it instead. Especially since the Theodosius I article is a GA-level article. Speaking of which, what was this about? It would appear said source did not support your edit? And why did you restore said information with a questionable online tertiary source when you could use Lieu, Samuel (1992) Manichaeism in the Later Roman Empire and Medieval China, page 113?? --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I didn't read it from there as I don't have the book, but that looks like a better source to use. Vaurnheart (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
By p. 113 I can preview "An even more strictly worded edict against the Manichaeans was issued by Theodosius (31 March 381)". Does this continue and refer to the decree of 382 mentioned frequently in tertiary sources?
Manichaeism, Michel Tardieu, page 93, "On 8 May Theodosius I issues an edict imposing attainder upon Manichaeans and depriving them of the right to draw up a will. Renewed on 31 March 382 and applied to every "Manichaean" hiding behind the names Encratite, Saccophorus, and Hydroparataste." --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Why?[edit]

Dear Bear, why did you revert me again? Wasn't my comment clear? I said that I'm restoring the long-standing stable version, and waiting for other editors to join the discussion regarding your changes. I'm literally following all the relevant guidelines such as WP:ONUS. Moreover, why are you harassing my talk and wrongly leaving 3rr notice when I wasn't even on my 3rd revert [11], [12]? Can you stop, please? ZaniGiovanni (talk) 03:06, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan-Sikh Wars[edit]

Could you please go to the Afghan-Sikh Wars talk page to discuss your reverts? not replying is considered disruptive reverting, and if you don't reply I will take it up with an admin and revert it back to my changes that you removed solely for no reason by ignoring the reasons provided. Noorullah21 (talk) 23:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • " if you don't reply I will take it up with an admin and revert it back to my changes that you removed solely for no reason"
Do not threaten me! NOTIFY AN ADMIN NOW!--Kansas Bear (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" However, explaining to an editor the consequences of violating Wikipedia policies, like being blocked for vandalism, is not considered a threat." [13] @Kansas Bear Noorullah21 (talk) 23:37, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have asked questions multiple times on the article talk page which you have blatantly ignored. Then you arrive on my talk page and threaten me and call me a vandal. Now you can stay off my talk page. Continue edit warring at your own peril. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I apologize, I see that you have put in questions now, I have not seen those so I apologize. will answer there. Noorullah21 (talk) 23:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kansas Bear You have been responded toward. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:02, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No need to ping me on my talk page. I have responded. The only issue is Mehta, and properly referencing the gov.pk source(page number(s), title, author). --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder: Discussion invitation Afghan-Sikh Wars[edit]

Please come to discuss at the page. Noorullah21 (talk) 23:21, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article cites "Bulletin de la Société 1986" but the bibliography lists the source as published in 1996. Can you please clarify which is correct? Also, please install a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Svick/HarvErrors.js]] to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata3 03:39, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request for counsel/ assistance - user Snarcky1996 deleting entire sections of King Sihamoni's page[edit]

Hello Kansas Bear,

Im reaching out if you can please help provide a third party perspective on King Norodom Sihamoni's Wikipedia page, which is currently in the midst of editing warring instigated by user so called "Snarcky1996" and I understand this is not the first instance, he has engaged in this kind of behavior as per your comment on his page.

Are you able to please help intervene, amend, edit, improve, provide counsel, where applicable, provide a third party perspective, as Im only a relative cadet so to speak, compared to yourself and the likes of more experienced users on Wikipedia. I have also asked experienced user, Celia Homeford to help advise/ provide counsel as well, but user Snarcky1996, is ignoring all recommendations to add on/ amend, rather than just purely deleting every single section he disagrees. You would see in the edit summary/ talk page, he is insinuating character attacks because he simply disagrees.

The page has since been protected, but I fear once the protection period ends, aforementioned user, may engage with wholesale deletion, rather than amending/ adding on/ researching / citing with sources and hence editing warring may resume.

Many thanks heaps.

Kind Regards, Contibutorthewise

This appears to be outside my area of "so-called" expertise. Might I suggest Page Protection? Have you started a discussion on the talk page? If said editor continues to edit war, you may have to contact an Admin. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kansas Bear,

Thanks heaps for the reply. The page is currently protected by only for a limited time at the moment as a result of the edit war. I may have to consider your recommendation in due course if that happens re asking for admin help. The 'Talk page' is currently ongoing, and I was subjected to name calling by the said editor. Hopefully, rather than an edit war, consensus can be reached in the near future.

Kind Regards, Contributorthrwise

Quote[edit]

Hey KB, hope you're doing well. I noticed the recent quote in your user page. May I suggest one too? It's from Qur'an, [22:46]:

“It is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts”. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Valuable contributions[edit]

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Thank you for bringing many medieval people back by making valuable work! Iʻm so thankful youʻre improving the articles and I hope youʻll continue! Miha (talk) 13:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Yakub İ of Germiyan[edit]

I don't know if you remember I told you my problem about the Germiyanid principality.

The sources shown that the founder Yakup is a Kurdish-Turkish hybrid are not first-hand sources. just like in Germiyanid page. Burtigin (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well the sources presented check out. As for "first-hand sources", Wikipedia is written using reliable sources. So, if those sources presented are deemed reliable then there is little anyone can do about it.
I did find this journal;
  • Kafadar, Cemal (2007). "A Rome of One's Own: Reflections on Cultural Geography and Identity in the Lands of Rum". Muqarnas. 24. Brill: 22.
Which states, "Ibn Battuta's reference to Yezid as the ancestor of the Sons of Germiyan, even if it is related by the traveler as a disparaging remark by their resentful neighbors, has thus led some modern scholars to deem the Germiyanids Kurds and occasioned a rebuttal by a Turkish historian: see Mustafa Cretin Varhk, Germiyanogullan Tarihi: 1300-1429 (Ankara, 1974). The actual circumstances may indeed have been so complex as not to allow for a designation of some of those tribal confederations with a straightforward ethnic marker comfortably recognized by modern readers." --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Origin of Germiyanid, Mateos from Urfa, Malatya

According to his statement that a region was named “Germiyan” It is said that it dates back to Malatya and thus to the Danishmenids. has been removed. The period when Mateos lived, the gates of Anatolia Coinciding with the period when it first opened to Turks, Danishmen increases the importance of its connections with central Malatya. It is believed that the Germiyans were from the Afshar tribe of the Oghuzes. In the face of such views, Z. V. Togan, in Kütahya, "aşiret-i Harezm" Kangli-Kipchak the service of the people of Horezm due to his record "harezm" He claimed that they might be from the chak group." Page 8

https://www.google.com/url?

sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/317221&ved=2ahUKEwjG7pD-4PzyAhXK_7sIHSEUC-EQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2lUmMPBf6dvkrzQ7i9ocjj

I already wrote before The person referred to here with Yazid is the Arab caliph Yazid bin Muawiya himself.

there is no reference to any Kurdish (or even Iranian) group. Burtigin (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you should post a concern on the article talk page and try to gain consensus.--Kansas Bear (talk) 20:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]