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BrownHairedGirl[edit]

I am deeply saddened that BrownHairedGirl and I were both unable to initially resolve our differences one-on-one at her talk page. I've re-read that exchange at least a dozen times to try and figure out where I could have defused things early on but I remain uncertain.

As far as the ArbComm case, my evidence is here and my analysis is here and I don’t have anything to add. Except that I remain surprised that BrownHairedGirl did not eventually submit at least some formal evidence because I'm convinced that would have led to a better and more nuanced outcome.

I have almost always appreciated BrownHairedGirl's substantive contributions and still proudly display a CFD-related barnstar from her on my user page. If you came here to congratulate me for her site ban or do any WP:GRAVEDANCING, you have badly misread me. Please take that junk elsewhere. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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How about a nice cup of tea instead, because I hope with the case now over, you can take some time to rest and recharge. And I think it is always good to remember "Wikipedia doesn't need you to be the hero and save the day, it only needs you to be the best collaborative editor you can be." Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 05:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Schema issue for the naming of law enforcement operations category[edit]

Please see the talk on Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I'm sure you are partial to the page you created, but I think it's less intutive than the one created for the FBI. I'm reviewing the law enforcement operation pages for the agencies to see if they exist and how they are named. My current knee jerk reaction is to use the naming as was for the FBI enforcement operations Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations.

That would mean going through and relinking each of the pages for ICE to the new category Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. eximo (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jiwhit01: Thanks for pinging me and let me give a little context: Generally we follow the main article's naming format in the category space per WP:C2D to make navigation easier for the readers . So, the main article is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement so the corresponding category matches with Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Similarly, the main article for the FBI is Federal Bureau of Investigation so that subcategory is Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations to match.
The difference you're see between the categories is because one agency has "U.S." in the main article and one does not. If you think an article does not follow the WP:COMMONNAME or could be improved, you can create an WP:RM on that article's talk page. (If that RM is successful, you can then use WP:C2D to speedy rename the category.) Since so few people visit category talk pages though, if you think there's a navigational benefit to changing the category name, that would be discussed centrally at a WP:CFD nomination.
So, I respectfully disagree with renaming the category and I want you to point you to the right place if you want to proceed! Let me know if you have other questions about CFD though; it can be confusing to even established editors that haven't seen that process before.
Either, way, happy editing! - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RevelationDirect:

I've looked at every page that is included in the Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and there is a nuanced difference between that category and the type of pages it is included on and Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations. For example, Homeland Security Investigations, Basile Detention Center or any of the other detention centers, Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía which are in the (ICE) category would not be included in the "ICE OPERATIONS" category. I think the category that is specific to the Operations for each of the Law enforcement Agency (LEA):

  • Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)
  • Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
  • Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
  • U.S. Postal Inspection Service (USPIS)[2]
  • IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI)
  • Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
  • Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)

would be very beneficial. I found the category created for the FBI's operations most informative and desire to create one for each LEA.

So I'm less inclined to suggest a name change to your category. But there will be redundancy that is sure to draw the ire of a few purist. I'm apprehensive though if I go through with this, that somebody with more authority will invoke a speedy deletion on the project. What are your thoughts? eximo (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw the Hotcat update you made to the category, I'm not clear on what you did. What does the Pipe operator do in this category you added? Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement|Operations. Any help to understand would be appreciated, so I can utilize the skill myself in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiwhit01 (talkcontribs) 09:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jiwhit01:

  1. I'm not an admin or anything. We're just two editors having a conversation and it sounds like I misunderstood your question the first time.
  2. The pipe just changes how the subcategory is alphabetized under Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement so it's under P. That's not a big deal here with only two subcategories, but in a category like this with a bunch of subcats that all start with the same letter it can be helpful.
  3. More importantly, I made Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations a subcatgory of Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations just like Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations is a subcategory of Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation. That means readers can use the ICE tree to easily navigate between the two subcategories and the parent category.
  4. So both of the categories we created serve a purpose: the parent one I created would still keep articles like U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Port Isabel Detention Center, and Death of Carlos Ernesto Escobar Mejía since those are not operations.
  5. Go ahead and be WP:BOLD and move operations articles like Operation Scheduled Departure and Operation Dark Huntor into the Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations subcategory and out of the Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement parent category. (See WP:DIFFUSE for more background on how this works.)
  6. (If you were looking to completely empty a category, more discussion would be needed at WP:CFD but I don't think that should be the case here.)
  7. Is it OK if I speedy rename Category:Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations to Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operations so it matches the other 2 categories?

Sorry if my reply is too long; I get wordy sometimes! - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RevelationDirect
  1. 2 response is VERY Helpful! I didn't know that, and was wondering about how to do that
  2. 3 All a good idea, good change, thank you
  3. 4 Agree whole heartedly, I'm on the same page as you
  4. 5 I'll do that, thank you for the assignment, and being clear
  5. 6 Originally, that was what I thought, but after discussion and understanding the nuanced differences here, your idea is significantly better
  6. 7 Yes, but does that propagate through all the other pages or do we have to go manually and update each page that ends up with a broken link?
eximo (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
6/7: Yes, when you nominate categories for renaming either through the speedy process or CFD, the links on all the pages are updated automatically without manual effort. (In fact, doing so manually is frowned upon since it loses the history, see WP:CUTPASTE for background.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red[edit]

Hi there, RevelationDirect, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you now intend to spend more of your editing time writing about women's history and women's clubhouses. I see you have already made a good start on this. You might also be inspired to develop some of the associated biographies. If so, you will find guidance in our Primer. You might like to add our user box {{User WikiProject Women in Red}} to your user page where others will be able to see your interest in the project. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you are aware of this site. There seems to be plenty of scope for covering more women's clubs although some of them are certainly of more historical interest than others.--Ipigott (talk) 12:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't but that's a good resource too. I had been going through the List of YWCA buildings to clear out redlinks but stumbled on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Clubwomen.
I do mostly organizations/buildings and didn't realize WIW worked beyond biographies so I was happy to join in! RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Women's works and organizations are an important aspect of our coverage. Keep up the good work!--Ipigott (talk) 06:55, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on Kirkland Woman's Club. Cocobb8, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Thank you for your great work with this article, and please keep going! Cheers

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Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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That was way too long! Multiple citations added. RevelationDirect (talk) 22:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red April 2024[edit]

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I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on Coca-Cola Syrup Plant. SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 03:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, RevelationDirect. Thank you for your work on IBEW Building. SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Good day! Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia by writing this article. I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a wonderful and blessed day for you and your family!

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 02:44, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]