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Proposed split of List of Pokémon anime characters[edit]

Inactive talk page over at List of Pokémon anime characters, so I'm putting it here as well. (Please respond at the source page, linked directly below)

Hello, as this article is over 50,000 words long, I think it would be reasonable that it is split into multiple articles. Here are some ideas:

Split by name: Split into articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (A-M), List of Pokémon anime characters (N-Z), etc. Pros of this method are simplicity, though it may become harder to navigate, as related characters are no longer grouped together.

Split by introduction: This would include the article being split into several articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 1-3), List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 4-6), etc. Pros of this are sorting characters by when they were introduced, and thus were likely the most notable, though cons could be that many of the most notable characters are from season one, and related groups are not together.

Split into categories: This would be splitting into articles like List of Pokémon anime antagonists, List of gym leaders in the Pokémon anime, etc. Pros are that related characters are all together, though cons are that characters may need to neatly fit into one category. However, this is my preference.

Please do tell me your thoughts.

DecafPotato (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it would be better to split by individual season instead. Although it's a shame we can't have a structured central database of characters and display them in different orders. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Megumin merge?[edit]

The article of Megumin was nominated for deleted and close with merge due to lack of content. While the reception section is quite notable, I really don't know a thing about the light novels to properly expand it as well as the prequel. Should the appearances section be expanded, do you think a merge could be avoided? I think the guideline was fork and the reception section is divided in different themes of appearances rather than abusing references. Tintor2 (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is my book about CLAMP a reliable source?[edit]

I've tried asking this elsewhere but I'm not getting any response, so I thought I would ask here as it relates to anime and manga. I wrote a book about Clamp, which I crowdfunded via Kickstarter and had published by a company local to me (Also listed on Amazon). I don't know if my book counts as a reliable source as it might fall under the banner of self-published works, and even then I don't know if I myself am allowed to use my own book as a source, rather than somneone else referencing my book. What exactly is the situation? Can I or someone else use my book as a source on Wikipedia? ISD (talk) 12:41, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Congrats on writing a book, that is amazing! I don't particularly know the publisher or the amount of editorial oversight there has been on your writing. I can imagine it being used as a reliable source, but I really don't know. I do know that you really should not cite your own book when writing on Wikipedia. This would be a specific type of conflict of interest where you can push your own narrative and back it up with your own writing. I recognize that this would be annoying if you're an active editor; if the book is considered a reliable source the best I could recommend is that you suggest it as a citation on talkpages of relevant articles, preferably making clear that you are the original author. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, that seems to make sense. ISD (talk) 19:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

anonymous manga artists?[edit]

Should we have a category for manga artists whose real name is unknown? There are quite a few: Kaiu Shirai, Gege Akutami, Tsugumi Ohba, Coolkyousinnjya, Nisio Isin, Naoko Hayashiba, Kian84 just to name a couple. I was thinking somethings along the lines of Category:Pseudonymous manga authors or Category:Anonymous manga writers or Category:Anonymous manga artists, you get the idea. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The majority of manga artists don't use their real name, so I don't think it's necessary. lullabying (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Placing a source in a draft I'm making[edit]

Hello! I'm the maker of Draft:Jolyne Cujoh and I found a source of Yugo Kanno discussing his struggles on creating Jolyne's theme. Is to put it alright to put it in her page as not only because I feel it's very important since Kanno is discussing of how her theme was made and the source I feel is correct, especially the fact Comic Book is linking the YouTube video, but also how the themes of the each Joestar is important to their character as a whole. Lovelyquirks1 (talk) 13:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lovelyquirks1: Nice, I recommend using this source since it's kinda GNG for Jolyne.Tintor2 (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I forgot, here is also the source in question. Lovelyquirks1 (talk) 22:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC) @Lovelyquirks1: If it is an primary source uploading the video or tweet, they are okay to use. If it is a tweet you gotta use the cite tweet format.Tintor2 (talk) 23:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for your answers! Also, it is alright to use this source for her Creation section since quiet admittedly, Stone Ocean volumes haven't released yet in English what with the Golden Wind final volume still having to be released and even if I bought the Stone Ocean volumes, I can't read Japanese. I want to use more sources that detail exactly why Araki wants to create Jolyne, but I still just have to find them. Lovelyquirks1 (talk) 02:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lovelyquirks1: Third party sources are okay but if they are mentioning the original source material, then you can also cite it.Tintor2 (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Political identification of shows or its elements[edit]

It's not the first time I've noticed that people add the "feminist anime and manga" category just because the show has a strong female protagonist or portrays the female characters in a vaguely progressive way. From shoujo with pop girl power to action shows with cool female protagonists. Is this normal? Should I keep or delete things like this as original research? In my opinion, such things should be added only on the basis of primary authoritative sources that directly confirm the political intentions of the authors (for example, producers and writers of G-Witch confirmed their intention to criticize capitalism and corporate abuse even before the premiere). Of course, for any political identification. I have seen similar attempts to identify as right Spy x Family and One Piece Red, though not on wikipedia. Solaire the knight (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category:Feminism in anime and manga only has 8 pages and the Saint Tail category, so I don't think this is a very widespread problem. In my opinion it's fine to add an article to that category as long as it's sourced and mentioned elsewhere in the article. And second-hand sources (ie the opinion of reviewers, feminist readings/analyses of a show) are good enough - you don't need the author to say "this is what I meant with my work." Erinius (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm afraid that if we add shows based on just feminist reading into the category, we'll have to drag half of the shoujo and well-written all-female shows into the category. So, what is next? Call LGBTQ anything that has a queer reading? Nationalist everything that is interpreted as alt-right and incel (for example, Mahouka is often accused of promoting militarism and Japanese nationalism, although the work has never been positioned as such and Sato-sensei has never commented on this)? This will lead to us very much politicizing articles about anime without any real appeal to the authors. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Basically, it isn't OR if there's a source somewhere in the article that mentions feminism. Erinius (talk) 05:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wold recommend only tagging articles with this category if they mention "feminism" or "women's right movement" or such in the text of the article. Utena is probably a good example of this. A few of the articles listed here have citations that talk about feminism, but the articles themselves don't describe the subject through this lens. That being said, I'm not too concerned about the current use of the category either. It is indeed a decently defining aspect of these anime, and all of these articles do have relevant content. Definitely be careful not to add anime about strong female protagonists willy-nilly, I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fair enough. Erinius (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ikuhara's work is so progressive and he's so vocal about it that I think you can put any of his work into those categories without being present. On many issues like yuri bait, he is often the only one who speaks openly. Even considering his "weird artist" public gimmick. Solaire the knight (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Inspired by this, I just added the main Sailor Moon article to the category. We could add the whole Sailor Moon category to the feminism category? I have no clue if this would be at all useful for any of the category use cases. Anyway, this sounds like an opportunity to expand our articles on Penguindrum, Yurikuma Arashi, and Sarazanmai with feminist analysis. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:37, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Stop, what do you mean added? I literally learned about this category thanks to the Sailor Moon article. This is one of the best choices for this category. Did someone manage to remove it during this time? Solaire the knight (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're right, it seems an IP removed the category from the Sailor Moon category: [1]. I didn't notice this when I added the category to the article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:47, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(I suggest removing the Saint Tail category as its main article doesn't mention anything related to feminism at all) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:50, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And done Erinius (talk) 18:38, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One Piece task force?[edit]

Hello. I've been thinking about creating a potential task force for One Piece as a collaborative effort between this project, along with Wikipedia:WikiProject Film and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television. This task force will maintain and improve coverage of the One Piece franchise. If there are any other ideas, please post here. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you search for character article, I suggest asking User:Haleth. He is pretty good at making them.Tintor2 (talk) 01:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of highest-grossing media franchises cleanup[edit]

I've started a discussion at here for this if anyone is interested. Timur9008 (talk) 02:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]