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WikiProject iconThis page relates to the WikiProject Council, a collaborative effort regarding WikiProjects in general. If you would like to participate, please visit the project discussion page.

Frequently asked questions (FAQ)
Q1: What's a WikiProject?
A1: A WikiProject is a group of people who want to work together. It is not a subject area, a collection of pages, or a list of articles tagged by the group.
Q2: How many WikiProjects are there?
A2: There are 886 WikiProjects and task forces tagged as "Active" (see Category:Active WikiProjects), and 226 WikiProjects and task forces tagged as "Semi-active" (see Category:Semi-active WikiProjects).
Q3: What's the biggest WikiProject?
A3: Nobody knows, because not all participants add their names to a membership list, and membership lists are almost always out of date. You can find out which projects' main pages are being watched by the most users at Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers.
Q4: Which WikiProject has tagged the most articles as being within their scope?
A4: WikiProject Biography has tagged about 1.29 million articles, making it more than three times the size of the second largest WikiProject. About ten groups have tagged more than 100,000 articles. You can see a list of projects and the number of articles they have assessed here.
Q5: Who gets to decide whether a WikiProject is permitted to tag an article?
A5: That is the exclusive right of the participants of the WikiProject. Editors at an article may neither force the group to tag an article nor refuse to permit them to tag an article. See WP:PROJGUIDE#OWN.
Q6: I think a couple of WikiProjects should be merged. Is that okay?
A6: You must ask the people who belong to those groups, even if the groups appear to be inactive. It's okay for different groups of people to be working on similar articles. WikiProjects are people, not lists of articles. If you identify and explain clear, practical benefits of a merger to all of the affected groups, they are likely to agree to combining into a larger group. However, if they object, then you may not merge the pages. For less-active groups, you may need to wait a month or more to make sure that no one objects.
Q7: I want to start a WikiProject. Am I required to advertise it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals and/or have a specific number of editors support it?
A7: No, there are no requirements. However, new WikiProjects, especially new groups that are proposed by new editors, rarely remain active for longer than a few months unless there are at least six or eight active editors involved at the time of creation.

Pls take a look[edit]

Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#‎How can we better consolidate and discourage creation of overly-specific WikiProjects?.--Moxy 🍁 23:53, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

@Moxy: sorry I missed this, but what was the conclusion, if any? I agree this is often a problem. More of a problem is a single editor creating a project that is never going to be active. An extreme policy might be to enforce a policy of having at least 10 active members before creating a new project. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Public art[edit]

Back in July 2019, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Public Art, I asked members to consider whether or not the project should be converted into a task force. No replies. I see an editor has just marked the project as 'semi-active', so I've raised the question once again. Just an FYI, but also soliciting feedback from Council page watchers. FWIW, I edit articles about public art all the time, but I mostly use WikiProject Sculpture and WikiProject Visual arts for collaboration. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:35, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Another Believer: What project do you propose to make it a task force of? Perhaps you should ask the receiving project if they are keen? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:54, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
MSGJ, I think Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts is the most appropriate umbrella project by far. There's a standalone project for Sculpture but not all public art is sculpture. I've not asked WP Visual arts for feedback but I'd say most Public Art articles are also tagged as part of WikiProject Visual arts because of the overlap. Let's just say almost all public art articles should be tagged as part of WikiProject Visual arts. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Advice for advertising relaunched projects?[edit]

I've been posting a bunch at/linking to WikiProject Usability trying to revive that project, but it doesn't really seem to have drawn in many editors. I'm also involved in some recent discussions at Articles for improvement, which really ought to be a lot more active than it is. Would you all have any advice about how to advertise a relaunched WikiProject or otherwise draw in editors to it? {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

I would think that 'usability' is just another word for 'accessibility', which already has a semi-active project at WP:WikiProject Accessibility (presumably to parallel WP:ACCESS). --Izno (talk) 12:54, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Izno, that's somewhat tangential to the question I'm asking, but to answer, they're not the same. WikiProject Accessibility (both in how it defines itself and de facto in how it focuses its efforts) is primarily about ensuring Wikipedia works for those with disabilities, whereas WikiProject Usability looks at more general issues. To take a recent example, the VPR discussion on moving the featured/GA topicons to be next to the title was something I shared to the project as it's relevant to the scope. It (like all usability discussions) needs to keep accessibility in mind as a top priority, but assisting those with disabilities was not the impetus for the proposal. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Sdkb, posting it here was a good first step. I'm not sure if I'll contribute that much, but at least I added it to my watchlist. Keep up the good work! --MarioGom (talk) 09:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Relevant RM[edit]

FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability/Style guide#Requested move 20 November 2020
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  20:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Inappropriate deletion of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Jimmy_Dore by UnitedStatesian[edit]

I created this WP:Project in order to improve Wikipedia by making Jimmy Dore's entry look more like an encyclopedia article, similar to Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Frank Zappa, or Banksy (artists most similar to JD).

Notice this project was deleted by UnitedStatesian (talk) (a non-admin? how?) who added this snarky comment,

>> "The proposed WikiProject was not created; the proposer does not understand the function and purpose of WikiProjects"

Oh really? I spent several hours studying the docs before I created the page. Additionally, I have been a WP editor for 17 years. That kind of remark is utterly offensive, juvenille, disrespectful, and completely inappropriate.

I would caution UnitedStatesian that comments which berate another WP Editor, instead of dispassionately discussing the edit, are inappropriate and may denote bullying. See, WP:BULLY, which states:

>> Doing so violates Wikipedia's civility policy which states that "even a single act of severe incivility could result in a block..."

Additionally, there are many problems with this delete.

1: This deletion was less than 48 hours after Kingsif (talk) filed a single OPPOSE vote. He said:

  • Oppose You're wanting to make a project just to focus improvements on one article, where the main concern is BLP. Just go to the Biographies WikiProject and ask for help. Kingsif (talk) 16:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

2: I was not given the opportunity to respond. I have limited time in a day. I don't always log in to WP every day.

3: I have no interest in joining a WikiProject about BLPs or Biographies in general.

I proposed a Jimmy Dore Project page SPECIFICALLY, because that is my interest. Not only is Jimmy Dore immensely popular, but topics he covers are at an intersection of ideas I am also interested in: Political Dysfunction of the Left in Modern America, Corporate Media Criticism, War & Peace, Censorship, etc.

4: There are *potentially* a dozen pages which might mention Jimmy Dore (see pages which mention Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Bill Hicks for example, arguably artists most similar to Dore). However any edits which attempt to add important biographical information about Jimmy Dore on WP are met with speedy reverts, including by the notorious meta-User:Philip Cross, known to vandalize pages of prominent anti-war voices. This seems to be an organized effort.

5: There is at least one WP:Project proposal with a focus on a single artist: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Justin_Bieber

6: There are at least 20 WP:Project pages with a focus on a single living artist, or noteworthy person:

Bob Dylan, Billie Eilish, Beyoncé,Demi Lovato, Donald Trump, Dua Lipa, Gwen Stefani, Janet Jackson, Jennifer Lopez, Joe Biden, Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Meghan Trainor, Madonna, Shakira,Taylor Swift, Brandy, Ariana Grande

7: These WP:Project pages are devoted to individual deceased persons

Frank Sinatra, Leibniz

8: These WP:Project pages are devoted to a fictional person:

Sherlock Holmes, Doctor Who, James Bond, King Arthur (arguably fictional)

9: And there there is this:


10: I can see no Wikipedia:Project criteria which was violated. I have checked here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council, Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/WikiProject_report, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide

11: None of the criteria mentioned at "Under what circumstances are WikiProjects deleted from Wikipedia rather than marked as defunct or historical?" in Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-01/WikiProject_report have been met, especially since this was only a PROPOSAL.

12: The article was not moved to my namespace as suggested by WP:REVIVE.

13: I was not notified as required by WP:SPEEDY, nor was WP:SPEEDY followed as far as I can tell.

14: I was not given sufficient time to obtain the support of "at least 6 to 12 active Wikipedians" as suggested by Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide#Proposing_a_project as a criteria for a project to succeed.

15: In fact, this same page says the following:

>> projects that are likely to succeed tend to start with at least 6 to 12 active Wikipedians. Once that threshold is reached, the proposal can be considered successful and the project created (see below). If there is insufficient support to start the project after a few months....

"A few Months?" My project was up for ~48 HOURS!

16: Additionally, Template:Archived_WikiProject_Proposal_notcreated says this:

>> After a WikiProject Proposal has run for three months, it is archived to make room for new proposals.

"THREE MONTHS." My project was up for ~48 HOURS. C'mon.

Thus, I have asked UnitedStatesian on his (talk) page to restore my Wikipedia Project Proposal, since it appears his deletion was hasty. --Bill Huston (talk) 10:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

  • I don't see any harm in keeping the proposal open. There's not much that a WikiProject can offer here that cannot already be done at Talk:Jimmy Dore, and I think it's unlikely to gain significant traction, but I don't see why it cannot be attempted. --MarioGom (talk) 10:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Please read WP:TLDR and WP:SHOUT's advice on boldface, and then come back and make your case concisely. WikiProjects are very rarely appropriate for individual people, and you'll need to present a strong case for why Dore should be an exception. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 14:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
    • User:Sdkb: WP:TLDR seems to apply to articles, not to Talk: pages. As for WP:SHOUT, fair enough, but I spent several hours crafting this comment to be as concise as possible, and with selective bolding to make it easy to scan rapidly. In sum:
      1. My proposal was hastily deleted, in apparent violation of Wikipedia rules, which require that a proposal be open for 3 months. (Mine was closed after 2 days!)
      2. I feel I was bullied by UnitedStatesian, in violation of WP rules.
      3. I cited more than 20 examples of Projects devoted to a single person.
      4. I have already made the argument for why Dore should be an exception in the proposal itself, and also here in the "TLDR" which you don't want to read.
      5. I cannot make any further defense with an inappropriately closed Project. Please reopen. --Bill Huston (talk) 15:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • WP:Other stuff exists. We shouldn't have any projects dedicated to specific people. (You might be able to sell me on this disastrous presidency, but that can be as easily covered under the existing US Presidents project.) Inevitably, your project will become inactive and subsequently defunct, potentially merged into another or outright deleted or simply left to decay. Find another project to contribute to where the person in question is covered under and save us and yourself the inevitable grief. I'm not going to bother reading the rant and frankly think this is an example of why we need to change this process and fundamentally how all WikiProjects less than active are structured. Merhe and redirect the lot so we aren't giving false ideas to innocent contributors that they're being "helpful" by starting Yet Another Project. Especially when those innocent contributors have been here for a decade and still haven't figured that much out. --Izno (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
    Agree {{u|Sdkb}}talk 16:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)