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Days recognized by WWE columns[edit]

I looked at some title histories. Take Cruiserweight title (96-07) for example. There are columns for days and days recognized by WWE. But then there is also a note saying how many days are recognized by WWE. Am I right in assuming that the note should be deleted and the days recognized by WWE should be changed to the days mentioned by in the note? Screenshot if my text was confusing: https://ibb.co/JdqMdNc Yellow "circle" is what I assume is how it is supposed to be. WrestlingLegendAS (talk) 20:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was probably looked over when whoever made the edits, but yes, the note shouldn't say what the column says. In regard to reign lengths, the notes should just say the tape dates if they're different from when the event actually happened. --JDC808 12:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of WWE Raw episodes[edit]

I was looking at what is on my watchlist and I realized that I totally forgot I have the following on it.

Last year, it was brought it up that wrestling TV shows such as Raw and SmackDown, for example, should be have a list of episodes. There were varying opinions on the matter. A draft of sorts, Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/RawDatabase, was created. The person who started all of this, has doesn't anything in over a year. I added to it, but since then, it's fell flat. Since it's a draft of sorts and no further headway will be made, it shouldn't have been around this long. If it was in actual draftspace, it would have been deleted by now. Drafts not edited in six months are deleted. Unless someone wants to take it over and continue working on it (highly unlikely), it should be removed. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 08:41, 29 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think we should have such a list. We don't typically have lists of episodes for series that produce new episodes every single week for decades. It's too large, even if broken down by year. Heck, someone just asked if we should have a list of episode for Sesame Street, and prior discussion there rejected the idea as being excessively detailed and more appropriate for a Fandom wiki (where such a list exists for Sesame Street). I think the same logic applies here. oknazevad (talk) 21:11, 29 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Personally I do not understand this take. At what point does a series become so long that lists of episodes of it becomes not ok? The Simpsons has 35 seasons, in some years should their lists be deleted? I don't see the logic.★Trekker (talk) 09:50, 30 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@StarTrekker, daily soaps don't have lists of episodes. General Hospital has at least 15,000 episodes. I'm not against having list of episodes for wrestling shows, but nobody wants to work on it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 00:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Nikki A.S.H.#Requested move 6 November 2022[edit]

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nikki A.S.H.#Requested move 6 November 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Mann Mann (talk) 11:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Raw titles still Raw titles (or, are the co-held titles no longer separate titles)[edit]

Please see the discussion at Template talk:WWE Championships. It also affects the individual titles' articles. More input is needed for consensus. oknazevad (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

WWE 2K has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. « Ryūkotsusei » 19:39, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Should "Template:Women in WWE" include FCW titles?[edit]

An editor removed FCW Divas Championship and Queen of FCW in this revision. Should we restore them? --Mann Mann (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I say no, as FCW was a separate company affiliated with WWE, not directly owned by and therefore a part of WWE proper, unlike NXT. Other former developmental territories are not included, either. Nor are any affiliated developmental territories included in the former championship sections of Template: WWE Championships oknazevad (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
no. As OK said, FCW was not WWE. No other farm territory like OVW or DSW is included. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requested move for discussion[edit]

"Luke Harper and Erick Rowan" to "Bludgeon Brothers". McPhail (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joint titles[edit]

*** Some fresh eyes on the following discussion would be appreciated ***

Not trying to give you a hard time, but on this issue, you are wrong.

With both Roman Reigns and the Usos, they defend both sets of titles at the same time. WWE + Universal = Undisputed WWE Universal Championship, and Raw Tag Team + SD Tag Team = Undisputed WWE Tag Team Championship.

This is the same situation like we had in 2009-10 when Raw's World Tag Team Championship and SD's WWE Tag Team Championship were defended jointly as the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship. The titles retained their individual lineages, but were defended together across both brands (and back then also on ECW)

So to say at this time the titles belong to a particular brand would be incorrect.

Now down the road if/when we get separate champions again, that would be different, but as long as both world titles and both tag titles are defended jointly, they are dual branded.

Don't be so hung up on the names of the titles....what we have here is the same situation we had in 2009-10, so there is a precedent. Vjmlhds 13:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Indulge me as we take a trip in the wayback machine to show you how we handled the situation in 2009 when we had the exact same situation. How is this different than what we have now, other than the names of the titles? Vjmlhds (talk) 13:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Except no, you are wrong. Like I have said in the past, anytime you see a title pop up on a show/brand, you automatically assume it's now an official title of that show/brand. This isn't really any different. You're seeing the title on the show and assuming that it's automatically the title of that show. The ONLY reason you see that right now is because they hold both sets of championships. Regardless of how you want to try and spin it, the titles are NOT unified, thus the Raw Tag Team Championship, for example, is NOT a title of the SmackDown brand, etc. The edits I put adequately describe the situation: they are the title of such and such brand but because the titles are held by the same champion(s), they are co-defended.
And in regard to how this is different from the past. Well, it's the past. Just because it was done that way, over 10 years ago, doesn't mean it's the correct solution to what we have now (let's not forget, with some exceptions, the project has been in horrendous shape up until the last few years, so we should tread lightly on how things were done in the past). Another big difference though, they ended up actually unifying the titles. It's already been reported multiple times that Triple H wants to split them up, but Vince left him in a predicament where he just has to see this through until he can find the right time to do it. --JDC808 13:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry...I'm not wrong on this one. 2009 and today are exactly the same - 2 sets of titles with individual lineages being jointly defended under an umbrella name. There is ZERO difference between then and now other than the names of the titles, which seems to be the thing you are so hung up on. Aa far as HHH wanting to have separate champions, that's all well and good, but it's gotta happen first, then we can go from there, but as it stand right now, the Bloodline has ALL the belts, which are defended jointly across ALL the shows, therefore they are dual branded until such time they are not. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:59, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vjmlhds it's not the same because again, they actually unified the titles back then. If you want to change this so badly, let's bring this up to the project and get more input. JDC808 14:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When WWE did the deal in April 2009, both titles remained active until August 2010, when WWE merely deactivated the World Tag Team Championship in favor of the WWE (now Raw) Tag Team Titles. So the titles never were unified. They were defended jointly for about a year and a half before one of them was simply abandoned. Again, we have the same situation - jointly defended titles. It's not a matter of me "wanting to change it", it's more a matter of you wanting to cling on to what was and not acknowledging what is. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vjmlhds I have acknowledged what is, hence the description at the end of the intro paragraph. What I'm not trying to claim is that the Raw title is a SmackDown title and vice versa. And that description has been there since this whole double champion bit began earlier this year for both Reigns and Usos, just with some copy-editing done to it. But again, it should be brought to the project to get more opinions. JDC808 04:52, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I never said anything was a Raw title...you are putting words in my mouth. The WWE and Universal Titles are defended jointly as the Undisputed WWE Universal Championship, likewise the Raw and SD Tag straps as the Undisputed WWE Tag Team Championship. When they are defended jointly, they are dual branded meaning defended across all main roster shows, not just specific ones. It just appears to me you are stubbornly looking for purity with this attitude of "X Title belongs on X brand, period." - completely disregarding the fact that for going on 8 months now they've been defended jointly on both brands. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Vjmlhds you're saying they're dual branded, i.e., you are saying they are both a Raw and SmackDown title. That's what I meant in my last post. But you are completely ignoring the fact that there is a description at the end of the intro paragraph that explains the situation (which I originally added, mind you). You want to make this change, get a consensus from the project. JDC808 06:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vjmlhds 19:34, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Similar to the discussion in the WWE Championships template with oknazevad, I agree with Oknazevad and JDC. There are no sourced supporting the titles are dual-brand. The article, as JDC said, explains the situation. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've seen enough wrestling in my day to know how it turns out when it's 3 on 1. I'll take the "L" and live to edit another day. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:26, 1 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just so we're all on the same page, I've made some tweaks to the articles. I've done nothing that removes anything from saying "X title belongs to X brand", but I did tighten things up a bit to make things less clunky. Saying "The Raw Tag Team Championship on Raw" is redundant, awkward to read, and a mouthful to say out loud, so I trimmed a little fat. But as I said, nothing was changed regarding what title belongs to what brand. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removing "currently" from the lead of articles about pro wrestlers[edit]

MOS:CURRENT: "Except on pages that are inherently time-sensitive and updated regularly (e.g. the "Current events" portal), terms such as now, currently, present, to date, so far, soon, upcoming, ongoing, and recently should usually be avoided in favor of phrases such as during the 2010s, since 2010, and in August 2020. Wording can usually be modified to remove the "now" perspective: not she is the current director but she became director on 1 January 2022; not 2010–present but beginning in 2010 or since 2010."

Your opinion? --Mann Mann (talk) 04:36, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you talking about sentences like "... is a professional wrestler, currently signed to All Elite Wrestling..."? In which case I'd agree we should remove it. — Czello 09:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, exactly. That's my concern. --Mann Mann (talk) 13:03, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, in that case, it's a Manual of Style rule. Small and easy changes. Jon Moxley currently works for AEW. Jon Moxley works for AEW since 2019. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe removing currently won’t be an issue since I confident that someone seeing he is a professional wrestler, signed to All Elite Wrestling should be enough for them to realize that he is working for them at the present time. I noticed that quite a few boxers and mixed martial artists articles use currently regarding what division they are currently fighting in (ie middleweight, heavyweight etc) so you may want to leave a message with Wikipedia:WikiProject Boxing and Wikipedia:WikiProject Mixed martial arts as well.--65.92.162.81 (talk) 22:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Exactly. With the present tense "currently" is just redundant. If someone changes companies, then the sentence just needs to be updated. If anything more than that is needed (and really doesn't need to be grammatically speaking), then use an actual date like "since 2016" or such, like HHH said. oknazevad (talk) 23:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Non-controvercial, follows MOS. I don't think this meets the level of getting AWB out to fix, but it's certainly worth doing when you see it. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 23:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]