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Help copy editing and reviewing content of my article please![edit]

Hi everyone, my name is Amy and I'm writing my first ever Wikipedia article. It is classed as a stub in this WikiProject, and I believe I've expanded it well beyond that level. I would really appreciate some help with copy-editing but would love as well if you could just take a minute to read it as I've put a lot of effort in! I'm trying to bring the article beyond the stub category to a A, B, or C grade page. The page is about an extremist political group, the National Association for the Advancement of White People . Thanks for your help guys! Tofta22 (talk)

County seats templates by state[edit]

Hello, all. I have been, over the last several months off and on, working on creating templates listing the county seats of each state, then distributing said templates on the articles of the county seats. My first was Montana county seats, and my most recent as of this post is Connecticut county seats. I have created 11 such templates as of this post, improving the amount from 13 to 24. Therefore, there are 26 county seat templates left, and I intend on working on this until all 50 states have their own templates. If anyone wants to pitch in and make more such templates for states that do not have one yet, then distribute them to the relevant pages, I would much appreciate that. I believe that it is beneficial to the encyclopedia to be able to navigate through pages of county seats effectively.

I have also created a template for the templates, placed below, so as to navigate through county seat templates, and also to track progress. I would love to see all those links be blue someday. And it can happen pretty soon, too, especially if at least several people are working on it. Cheers.

Mungo Kitsch (talk) 07:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

RfC of interest[edit]

This RfC may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Does anyone know when the 2020 census results will be released for municipalities?[edit]

I have searched everywhere but can't find the date, should be soon right? I'm working on templates and just want to know when I should apply them. Thanks! Mattximus (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I believe cities and towns are released in May 2022. Counties are March 2022, so that will serve for larger jurisdictions. There should be more data on states in December.-- Patrick, oѺ 18:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Kiwi Camara[edit]

Hello! Sarah here, attempting to update and improve the Kiwi Camara article on behalf of DISCO. I've disclosed my conflict of interest and shared a link to a draft article at Talk:Kiwi Camara, but so far I have not received any feedback from other editors even after posting similar requests for help at WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Tambayan Philippines. I've outlined problems with the current article, which is mostly a Background section with two Controversy sections related to the same incident. I've also worked to draft a more well-rounded biography which relies on news organizations over student newspapers. Are any members of WikiProject United States able to review the concerns I've identified alongside the draft, then update the live article appropriately? Thanks in advance! Sarah DISCO (talk) 17:43, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Good Article Reassessment for Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump[edit]

Second impeachment trial of Donald Trump, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Page move discussion at Talk:Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, Talk:Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and Talk:Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine[edit]

Greetings members, two page move discussions are on-going at Talk:Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, Talk:Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and Talk:Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. Interested editors are requested to participate/contribute. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 06:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Washington's Birthday#Requested move 19 June 2021[edit]

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Washington's Birthday#Requested move 19 June 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lennart97 (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

GAR[edit]

Denver, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 05:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

State short descriptions[edit]

I noticed that all 50 states have a short description of "State of the United States of America". I was thinking of doing an AWB run to make this simply "State of the United States" for concision (and to match the corresponding category, and wider "State of [country]" category structure); I wanted some level of consensus first, so I am posting here. — Goszei (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, because the short description matches what is in Wikidata right now, you would need to change Wikidata too, or the articles will end up in the "hidden" category of Category:Short description is different from Wikidata. Wikidata, in this case, uses the more formal, long name of the USA. Also, template:infobox settlement, of which template:infobox U.S. state is a wrapper template, is supposed to be adding short descriptions automatically, but when I try that, it doesn't match what is in Wikidata either. Does anyone have any input on this problem? --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I also think because Wikidata is a multilingual site, that "... of America" is used, because several other countries are also "United States", like: Estados Unidos Mexicanos. --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
The Wikidata description is often used as the default for a local short description but the two do not need to match. Also, {{infobox settlement}} will add a reasonable short description in most cases — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 07:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Marble House RfC[edit]

This RfC may be of interest to the members of this WikiProject. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Multiple related articles that seem to basically be about the same subject[edit]

While working on getting the main article - Mountain Meadows Massacre - to possibly being a WP:GA I've become aware that Wikipedia has 8 different articles about various aspects of the Mountain Meadow Massacre. Does Wikipedia need all of these articles? Can any of them be combined...should any of them be combined?

The articles are rendered in the Template:Mountain Meadows massacre series as:

I've also posted about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History - see this section, but haven't gotten any responses. I've read through much of the articles and they don't seem all that different. To me the "Conspiracy and siege", "Killings and aftermath", "Investigations and prosecutions" articles, especially, seem somewhat redundant and repetitious in subject matter. I am interested in what this WikiProject's editors think about all this. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

RfCs of interest[edit]

FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere. RfCs are underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Presidents concerning the removal or retention of US president series boxes at associated articles and the removal or retention of US vice-president series boxes at associated articles.

FAR for Hispanic Americans in World War II[edit]

I have nominated Hispanic Americans in World War II for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Notification of requested move discussion at Investing in a New Vision for the Environment and Surface Transportation in America Act[edit]

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An editor has requested for Investing in a New Vision for the Environment and Surface Transportation in America Act to be moved to INVEST in America Act. Since you had some involvement with Investing in a New Vision for the Environment and Surface Transportation in America Act, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). SkyWarrior 03:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Notice[edit]

Heads up, an RFC is taking place, which may affect American political articles. GoodDay (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC on table style[edit]

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Moved to my talk page. Centralized discussion is no longer necessary. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 16:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Should the style of articles beginning with "United States congressional delegations from" match the table style and broader format of featured lists such as United States congressional delegations from Indiana and Utah, or the articles for almost all of the other states, such as Alaska and California, or should each article be kept where it is per MOS:VAR? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:59, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Factors to consider:

  • What are the advantages and disadvantages to each style?
  • Should the style vary based on the size of the state and the length of its history in Congress?
United States Representatives from Alaska:
Congress District
At-large
86th (1959–1961) Ralph Julian Rivers (D)
87th (1961–1963)
88th (1963–1965)
89th (1965–1967)
90th (1967–1969) Howard Wallace Pollock (R)
91st (1969–1971)
92nd (1971–1973) Nick Begich[1][2] (D)
Don Young[3] (R)
93rd (1973–1975)
94th (1975–1977)
95th (1977–1979)
96th (1979–1981)
97th (1981–1983)
98th (1983–1985)
99th (1985–1987)
100th (1987–1989)
101st (1989–1991)
102nd (1991–1993)
103rd (1993–1995)
104th (1995–1997)
105th (1997–1999)
106th (1999–2001)
107th (2001–2003)
108th (2003–2005)
109th (2005–2007)
110th (2007–2009)
111th (2009–2011)
112th (2011–2013)
113th (2013–2015)
114th (2015–2017)
115th (2017–2019)
116th (2019–2021)
117th (2021–2023)
United States Representatives from Utah:
Congress Districts
At-large from 1893–1913
1st from 1913–current
2nd 3rd 4th
54th
(1895–1897)
  Clarence Emir Allen (R)
55th
(1897–1899)
  William H. King (D)
56th
(1899–1901)
  Brigham H. Roberts (D)
[note 1]
  William H. King (D)
[note 2]
57th
(1901–1903)
  George Sutherland (R)
58th
(1903–1905)
  Joseph Howell (R)
59th
(1905–1907)
60th
(1907–1909)
61st
(1909–1911)
62nd
(1911–1913)
63rd
(1913–1915)
  Jacob Johnson (R)
64th
(1915–1917)
  James Henry Mays (D)
65th
(1917–1919)
  Milton H. Welling (D)
66th
(1919–1921)
67th
(1921–1923)
  Don B. Colton (R)   Elmer O. Leatherwood (R)
[note 3]
68th
(1923–1925)
69th
(1925–1927)
70th
(1927–1929)
71st
(1929–1931)
72nd
(1931–1933)
  Frederick C. Loofbourow (R)
73rd
(1933–1935)
  Abe Murdock (D)   J. W. Robinson (D)
74th
(1935–1937)
75th
(1937–1939)
76th
(1939–1941)
77th
(1941–1943)
  Walter K. Granger (D)
78th
(1943–1945)
79th
(1945–1947)
80th
(1947–1949)
  William A. Dawson (R)
81st
(1949–1951)
  Reva B. Bosone (D)
82nd
(1951–1953)
83rd
(1953–1955)
  Douglas R. Stringfellow (R)   William A. Dawson (R)
84th
(1955–1957)
  Henry A. Dixon (R)
85th
(1957–1959)
86th
(1959–1961)
  David S. King (D)
87th
(1961–1963)
  M. Blaine Peterson (D)
88th
(1963–1965)
  Laurence J. Burton (R)   Sherman P. Lloyd (R)
89th
(1965–1967)
  David S. King (D)
90th
(1967–1969)
  Sherman P. Lloyd (R)
91st
(1969–1971)
92nd
(1971–1973)
  K. Gunn McKay (D)
93rd
(1973–1975)
  Wayne Owens (D)
94th
(1975–1977)
  Allan Turner Howe (D)
95th
(1977–1979)
  David D. Marriott (R)
96th
(1979–1981)
97th
(1981–1983)
  James V. Hansen (R)
98th
(1983–1985)
  Howard C. Nielson (R)
99th
(1985–1987)
  David S. Monson (R)
100th
(1987–1989)
  Wayne Owens (D)
101st
(1989–1991)
102nd
(1991–1993)
  Bill Orton (D)
103rd
(1993–1995)
  Karen Shepherd (D)
104th
(1995–1997)
  Enid Greene (R)
105th
(1997–1999)
  Merrill Cook (R)   Chris Cannon (R)
106th
(1999–2001)
107th
(2001–2003)
  Jim Matheson (D)
108th
(2003–2005)
  Rob Bishop (R)
109th
(2005–2007)
110th
(2007–2009)
111th
(2009–2011)
  Jason Chaffetz (R)
112th
(2011–2013)
113th
(2013–2015)
  Chris Stewart (R)   Jim Matheson (D)
114th
(2015–2017)
  Mia Love (R)
115th
(2017–2019)
  John Curtis (R)
116th
(2019–2021)
  Ben McAdams (D)
117th
(2021–2023)
  Blake Moore (R)   Burgess Owens (R)
Congress 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
Districts

Gonna need some visual examples, here. GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The best examples are United States congressional delegations from Utah and United States congressional delegations from Oregon, and I put examples of the two tables above. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:40, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I reckon the best way to go, is the maps version. Otherwise, you're gonna have a ton of images in the California delegation article. GoodDay (talk) 23:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 04:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps this topic is a bit over my head. Best for others to chime. GoodDay (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I'm now noticing United States congressional delegations from Massachusetts, which is the first page I've seen that uses {{Party cell}} templates. Might this be a good compromise between readability and getting the most possible information across? I still find it a tad hard to visualize compared to party shading, but it's certainly easier than utilizing a separate cell, and I can definitely see how the text would be more readable this way. --WMSR (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: first of all, I'm using yo instead of ping forever. Thank you for that, that's fantastic. Second, i'd be more than happy to match the Massachusetts style (with some variations state-by-state), but is it within MOS:VAR for us to update the tables that way? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:13, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I think so, because many of the party shading templates are not compliant with MOS:COLORS, which can cause accessibility issues (especially those of some smaller parties). That said, I'm not sure whether {{Cell party}} would work quite as well on pages like Political party strength in Alaska, for example. --WMSR (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: fantastic– I think my next project is going to be fixing up United States congressional delegations from Alaska, then. I'm going to close this RfC within a day. Also, it's not a huge problem if I switch the senate template so that the colours oppose each other, right? because otherwise it's just gonna be a pain. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Awesome, though I'm not sure what you mean by switch the template so that the colors oppose each other. --WMSR (talk) 22:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: so you know how on United States congressional delegations from Massachusetts, if you go to the Senate table, the party colours are both to the left of the names? i feel like those should be outwards instead–so on the left for the leftward name, and on the right for the rightward name. The alternating colours should be inward, next to the Congress. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Gotcha. I'm going to have to do some work on the {{Party cell}} template then to make a parameter for which side to shade. Been a while since I messed with parameters like that so I may need some time (unless you can do it easily). --WMSR (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: I can fix the party cell template, no need :) thanks so much for the help! hope to see you again around wikipedia :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Ope, I just did. Param 2 is side (default is left), param 3 is position (for politicians who change parties, otherwise no need to define). Working on documentation now. --WMSR (talk) 23:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Finished documentation. Check out United_States_congressional_delegations_from_Alabama#United_States_Senate to see how I envision it being utilized when I made the new params. Obviously, if there's a better way, I'm all ears. --WMSR (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: damn! put a lot of work into the Alabama senate part, too- props. I think the party colouring should go outward, instead of being inward and right next to the alternating colours denoting term? Makes it less overwhelming on that front. Also, with regards to the names, it should probably be one name throughout multiple parties, or several separated by hard boxes–the middle ground seems like there's something off but i'm open to either way? just suggestions theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: My thinking was that having it in the middle makes it easier to visualize the balance of the delegation in any given Congress. It's also how Utah was laid out (and Hawaii previously). I am also not sure about what to do with party switchers. Only putting the name once would make it off-center and it would not be clear which party goes in the parentheses. This was sort of my best attempt but I'm sure someone has a better idea. I wish others would chime in! --WMSR (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: really would be nice if others participate, but this is rather back-water so it looks like it's just us for now. Maybe we make the party colours the same thickness as the alternating colours, and that way they're not overshadowed? For the party switchers, I'd say just make separate hard boxes for each party switch? I don't think we have a better method of representation at the moment, which sucks. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: How do you feel about dashed lines for party switches? I updated the template and think it might once again be the best of both worlds. For alternating term colors, i think we just set the width on the column to a super low number. --WMSR (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: oooo the dashed lines are good. What are you suggesting with the column width? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Well, I tried removing the non-breaking spaces and that seemed to make it better (check Alabama). Not sure if the columns can be narrowed any further though. Also just want to say that I'm really enjoying this collaboration! --WMSR (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
@WMSR: That works well! Any concern about the party cells for some reason showing up ever so slightly on the other sides of the cells? Please reply on my talk page, as I think the public section of the RfC has passed its purpose. Also, I'm very much enjoying working with you too! I haven't had this much fun on wikipedia in quite some time. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 16:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Provide more rather than less information, and provide it in the form that is easiest to read. The main tables in these articles are almost identical. They get very different in the "Historical timeline" sections, and the version with separate tables instead of one giant table is much easier to make sense of, but if there's information types missing from it then it should be expanded to include them if we think it's info of encyclopedic interest (which it likely is, though a discussion won't hurt).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  14:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Category:Human rights abuses in the United States: POV/OR issue?[edit]

I just removed José Padilla (criminal) from Category:Human rights abuses in the United States because there was no mention of human rights in the article. I also note that Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act was added without explanation in 2015, although more recent revisions do discuss this POV. I encourage you to go through all the remaining category members to remove anything that isn't supported in text, or move it to one of the subcategories. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 00:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference died was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Disappeared October 16, 1972, re-elected November 7, declared dead December 29.
  3. ^ Elected to fill the vacancy caused by the previous representative, Nick Begich being re-elected (presumably posthumously) to the next term.
  4. ^ "House Votes to Oust Roberts". Chicago Tribune. January 26, 1900. Retrieved May 4, 2010.
  5. ^ "Judge King Sworn in Today". Deseret News. Salt Lake City. April 27, 1900. Retrieved May 4, 2010.
  6. ^ "Leatherwood, Elmer, O." Biographical Directory of the United States Congress. Clerk of the United States House of Representatives and Historian of the United States Senate. Retrieved July 28, 2010.


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