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See Wikipedia:Bot requests#Help clear Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors.

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At Capri-Sun, I have two references that I'd written as {{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. a}} and {{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. b}}. I could've sworn they worked as intended when they were added, but maybe I just overlooked this before, because I don't spot anything relevant in the history. Either way, as it stands, these render as "Capri Sun Group & n.d. a" and ""Capri Sun Group & n.d. b", which appears to be because L131 is expecting no space before the disambiguating letter. But I don't think most people would write "n.d.a", which looks like the a is part of an acronym. "n.d. a" is much clearer. I would suggest that both should be allowed, as should "nd a" in contrast to "nda". I believe all we'd have to do is add a  ? before the %l on lines 65, 66, 131, and 132. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 03:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those references appear to be working as expected and I'm seeing them displayed with a space between n.d. and the disambiguation. What error message are you seeing? It may have to do with the script you're using -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 11:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ActivelyDisinterested: The issue isn't the space falling to render; it's the ampersand showing up because the module reads "n.d. a" as a name rather than a date -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 14:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Capri Sun Group n.d.a

Capri Sun Group n.d.b harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCapri_Sun_Groupn.d.b (help)

Capri Sun Group 1997a harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCapri_Sun_Group1997a (help)

Without spaces ↑

Capri Sun Group & n.d. a harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCapri_Sun_Groupn.d._a (help)

Capri Sun Group & n.d. b harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCapri_Sun_Groupn.d._b (help)

Capri Sun Group & 1997 a harvnb error: no target: CITEREFCapri_Sun_Group1997_a (help)

With spaces ↑ Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 14:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, a space makes the module read it as a name rather than a date, and this put an ampersand before it. What I'm saying is that, while that's reasonable for years like 1997a, for n.d. in particular a space should be understood as part of the date. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 15:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry misconstrued the issue. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 15:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the pre-module version of the harv/sfn templates always treated the final parameter as the year, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin & ActivelyDisinterested:

APA uses n.d.-x. It seems like Chicago and Harvard referencing do as well. I've added the pattern for that to the sandbox module:

Live

Capri Sun Group & n.d.-a

Sandbox

Capri Sun Group n.d.-a

But you'd also need to add support in Module:Citation/CS1. Right now it gives an error if you suffix anything to n.d. separated by a hyphen or space (only Capri Sun Group n.d.a works):

• Capri Sun Group (n.d.). "Frequently Asked Questions". Capri-Sun.com.
• Capri Sun Group (n.d.a). "Frequently Asked Questions". Capri-Sun.com.
• Capri Sun Group (n.d. a). "Frequently Asked Questions". Capri-Sun.com. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
• Capri Sun Group (n.d.-a). "Frequently Asked Questions". Capri-Sun.com. {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Also some stats while thinking about changes:

• 5,041,630 pages with cite web
• 15,112 pages with cite web using n.d.
• 45 pages with cite web and n.d.a (without spaces)
• 55% of cite web invocations have no date parameter (not an issue without author-date short citations)

I'd support adding support to both modules for "n.d.-" if that's the norm in published citation styles. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 11:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Continued at: Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#"n.d.a",_"n.d._a",_or_"n.d.-a" Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So far, no response at all over there. Idk if it's a good idea to add support for a type of date in only one of the modules. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:36, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to whack down the amount of articles in this Category and have come across a List that I can't find any Harv errors or Harv warnings in, and yet here is List of fictional diseases listed amongst the error'fied articles. Can anyone tell me why? Thanks - Shearonink (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a false positive, because {{Cite MW}} is a template that wraps {{cite web}}, and this module didn't know about it yet. I'll fix. Please feel free to report any such mysterious false positives here. Thanks for cleaning all of this up! — hike395 (talk) 07:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Trappist script doesn’t flag false positives but the css modification (as described on the error page) does.

Andy02124 (talk) 12:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks you guys for looking into it. Btw the Category has now inched up to 85.1% fixed/empty. Seems like it had been at a straight 85% for forever... - Shearonink (talk) 15:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I use these templates pretty often and have had several issues that have led me here. Can the following be added to the whitelist: Template:Lagomorphs2018, Template:HMW2016 Volume 6 ['CITEREFSmithJohnstonAlvesHackländer2018'] = {'Lagomorphs2018'}

['CITEREFWilsonLacherMittermeier2016'] = {'HMW2016 Volume 6'} -- Reconrabbit 17:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]