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Hallo Discuss-Dubious,

welcome to the teahouse! I understand from what you stated that you are an ex-longtime-anonymous from 2007^{[dubious – discuss]}. Well, getting acquainted with anonymous people is not really my cup of tea... but I will try my best. Milk? Sugar?
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• Thanks. I guess I would consider myself somewhat old school, y'know? I'm sort of a WikiJanitor. RC patrol is what I like to do sometimes. Discuss-Dubious (talk) 00:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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It would be either a fansite or personal web page. — Strongjam (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't make sense for me. ~_(v___v)_~ Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 22:43, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Dubious, I think the article is misleading as currently constructed such that it does not represent a neutral point of view. Here are my concerns:

1) There are a large number of public statements, straight from the horse's mouth in which Hitler strongly, unequivocally declares his faith. This wasn't just a one-time off-the-cuff statement. He said it repeatedly in both print and in his speeches and he was not the least bit ambiguous about it. See: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

2) These public statements are not represented at all in the current intro to the article. They are entirely omitted. Why?

3) There are indeed plenty of 2nd/3rd hand accounts of Hitler making statements in private that conflict with his public faith, which a number historians have interpreted as evidence that his faith was insincere. I don't dispute this (I myself seriously doubt his faith, for the record). But it seems awfully biased that these after-the-fact subjective interpretations of 2nd and 3rd hand sources make up the entirety of the intro to the article - 4 paragraphs - while none of Hitler's own first-hand statements are included. This is an article about Hitler; at the very least his own voice should have a presence, arguably the dominant presence. Why is it omitted?

4) There are also accounts of Hitler making statements in his private life that *do* seem to support the idea his faith was sincere. Some of these are also included in the wikiquote link above. If we are giving weight to statements from his private life over statements from his public life (a practice I think is inherently biased in the first place, for the record) why are these statements not included?

5) The first sentence states that there is a "consensus" of scholars that agree he was not Christian. Which scholars, exactly, comprise this consensus? A consensus is a high bar to clear. Has there been a definitive survey of scholars that I am unaware of that somehow excludes all of my favorite humanist scholars? If so, who selected the scholars and what process was used to select them? This is a sweeping claim and there is no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naplesmedellin (talk • contribs) 21:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to the others when I have time, but I looked at the summary and: Here are my answers: 1) That's true, see next question.

2) They are given a passing mention in the current version: Although skeptical of religion, Hitler referred to belief in a "creator" and sometimes Christianity in speeches (third para) and "Nonetheless, Hitler opportunistically employed the language of "divine providence" in defence of his own myth" (first para).

3) As for "credence", this may be related to how WP normally treats primary sources. We can't have people writing their interpretation within the article itself, or arguing their interpretations in the page. However, I would be okay with elaborating a bit on this, but not a wholesale lede rewrite.

4) Hmm, the reason we haven't is because most of the scholars haven't. It's not "private life" as a rule for us, but it seems to be for the sources we are sourcing from. As far as the rules are concerned, Wikipedia eats up and regurgitates secondhand information from sources that are high up in whatever they do.

5) As for the citation, actually, the lede goes on to explain which scholars: "Kershaw, Bullock, Evans, Fest, Phayer, Shirer and others" (i.e. Laurence Rees, Max Domarus) against Richard Steigmann-Gall and some others.

Anyway, thank you for coming to ask, @Naplesmedellin:. I will ping more editors for a TP thread Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 16:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"filter is a higher-order function" - Filter (higher-order function). Term "functional" was used on purpose, to clarify link with Functional programming and not with other "filters".

Additionally, many languages do not have "methods" at all. So, "by filter method" is nonsense for XPath and some purely functional languages. Ushkin N (talk)

Some info can be found at Higher-order function. Ushkin N (talk) 02:28, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, well, I readded "functional". Sorry about that. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 02:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, but "Comparison of functional (programming) languages" is imprecise describes not only functional languages. (see xpath example, I simply copied it)

I don't think it is possible fluently describe programming language categories without making mistakes thus I created such names until theory will be researched and explained better.

It is similar to describing wars by "area" where battles occurred. Ushkin N (talk) 13:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't get a response, but this looks like a problem you could ask about at WP:VPT.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It should probably be phabricator, but I am not really sure about it. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 23:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Discuss-Dubious,

In light of the discussion at the "Religious Views of Adolf Hitler" talk page, recognizing that the existing article contains many repeats, I've prepared a draft of a re-organized version of the article. It's based around a chronological outline. I believe the vast majority of repeats have been cleaned up, while preserving every last bit of the information in the original article. The size is reduced from 168K to 155K.

In order to get a page in draft space, I gave the article a new title, but I hope to revert to the original title on approval. This was a lot of work -- it's easy to complain, but not so easy to fix things.

I'm looking forward to your review, I hope you'll like the result.

Draft:Evolution_of_religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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This is a good lede, thanks. I am not really supportive of changing the title, though. I can live with the chronological format, but changing the title of the article would cause the problem of necessitating an article of said beliefs that evolved. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 01:46, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Discuss-Dubious: This was among much that you added to Andrew Brunson:

It is also alleged by the prosecution that there are websites on the internet that describe Turkish president Erdogan as the Antichrist, and the indictment almost suggests it as a motive for Brunson, a Christian, to help the coup plotters. The Citizen-Times argues that theory is most likely overshadowed by theories regarding more popular leaders, regarding this theory wildly obscure and not likely to .

There's something missing at the end. (Not likely to what?) Can you go back and fill that in? -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 19:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pemilligan: So, aside from that, is everything else okay? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 21:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Discuss-Dubious: Yes, as far as I can tell. -- Pemilligan (talk) 03:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Dubious, are you from somewhere in Southeast Asia and Australia? Maybe Singapore? Just wondering. :) Innitiative.35 (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]