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Please do not create too many wikilinks in your article Universal Ship Cancellation Society. More than one link to ship is redundant and useless. Regards, -- Iván Sánchez(talk) 17:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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[edit]Say, do you know who did the cachet on File:Ship Cover USS Brevard (AK-164) 1946.jpg ? If it was somebody like Artcraft, they would likely have a valid copyright on the artwork, and so the cover could not be in the public domain unless they released it. If it was a Navy person, and done on the job, it would be validly PD. (The 1930s cover I uploaded just has a plain text cachet, so nothing copyrightable there.) Stan 15:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
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Help Desk
[edit]Hi. I've replied to your comment at the Help Desk. - Rjd0060 21:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Randall Knives
[edit]Excellent job on starting the Randall article...I'll help you out as I can! Semper Fi! --Mike Searson 03:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
List of museums in the United States
[edit]Thank you for your work on List of museums in the United States! It is very helpful. Feel free to edit areas where I've added icons too. Here is how they work (I will explain this better on the talk page eventually:
{{museum|TYPE}}[[WIKI LINK]]<br>
TYPE is where I enter the type of museum it is. You can see all the types currently available here: Template:Museum
WIKI LINK is the Wikipedia link to that museum's page. If there is no Wikipedia page for that museum, then I use this format:
{{museum|TYPE}}[[WIKI LINK]] | [http://WEB LINK/ web]<br>
I still provide a Wikipedia link even though there is no page. This way we will get a red link that can be clicked for someone to easily add the page. In this situation (where there's no Wikipedia article), I also add WEB LINK to that museum's website. I do not do this for museums that already have Wikipedia pages because the website should be on that respective page.
Here are some locations where you need spaces and where you can't have spaces:
{{museum|TYPE}}(NO SPACE)[[WIKI LINK]](SPACE)|(SPACE)[http://WEB LINK/(SPACE)web]<br>
I have not found a way around using <br> on the end.
<br /> tags
[edit]I see that you're using proper <br /> tags. I had chosen to use regular <br> just plainly for simplicity. I want to make it as simple as absolutely possible so people don't take one look and immediately turn away when they want to add a museum. It is more confusing than it was before especially to someone who doesn't really know Wiki/HTML markup. Wikimedia automatically converts <br> to <br /> when it parses the page. For example, if you look in the page source somewhere where I did a <br>, you'll see that it does turn up as a proper <br />. I'd appreciate if you used regular <br> so it's all consistent.
Thanks again for your help with this article. I will also write this in its discussion page when I get around to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Boldt (talk • contribs) 17:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Closed museums
[edit]Hi, FieldMarine.
It doesn't say anything about closed museums - you are right. But I believe that List of museums in the United States should only contain museums that still are open. I think I should start List of defunct museums in the United States for closed museums. It's good that you raised this issue because I may have forgotten that I did that. I don't know if you noticed but the closed museums are still in the page but they are commented out with <!-- and --> tags. So we don't have to dig through the history to find them. I believe that I removed 3 closed museums if I can remember right.
You mentioned earlier about alphabetizing the icon key. I think this is a good idea, but I have them sort of grouped so similar ones are together. Is this okay with you?
I would like to work together on these issues and find a solution that suits us both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Boldt (talk • contribs) 17:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Air Force Space & Missile Museum
[edit]Hi, thanks for your work on this article. I've wanted to see an article started for this great museum for a long time. I've got pictures of most of the exhibits there, I'll probably add a few more images to the gallery section, if there is anything specific that you would like to see that I might be able to add, please let me know. Fl295 (talk) 02:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
church
[edit]hi. well, you placed Category:Florida Registered Historic Places building and structure stubs on the article and I was going with that. I have no source for the it though. best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- The church's website claims that the church is an "Historic Landmark of Brevard County." I'm not sure that means it's a Registered Historic Place. I'll look into it a bit more.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
- RE: Holy Trinity Episcopal Church (Melbourne, Florida) It is not on the National Register of Historic Places Also, FieldMarine, I appreciate your efforts on creating articles about places on the Treasure and Space coasts, but I am quite concerned about your reverts of my attempts to improve this article. The parish is historic. The chapel building is historic. The building and the parish are intertwined. You really cannot separate the two. I don't want to get into a revert war with you. clariosophic (talk) 14:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
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WP Meetup in Miami next next Saturday
[edit]In the area? You're invited to | ||
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Re: Infobox Military Structure
[edit]I didn't remove the image; I just moved it down to the bottom of the box, to avoid having a long stack of images at the top. Is that a problem? Kirill 18:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Transferring list of museums comments
[edit]Thanks!
Ben Boldt (talk) 17:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I would have done things differently... I think the table format is bloated and looks sloppy. I think if you want to see more info about a museum, you should click on it and view the article and leave the list nice and concise. I would like to have the map at the top of each page to navigate between them too. We should brainstorm for a while and think about what needs to be done to make this better because I agree that it seems almost destroyed in its current state. We could work on some stuff in some sandboxes for a while and when we get things looking better we could ask around and see if people support our ideas. Because I have a feeling if we don't have some backup this guy is going to undo all the changes...
I really think the lists should contain only the name and the icon to show what kind it is, plus a web link if there's no article, just like how it was before. I thought it was very easy to read.
Ben Boldt (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Brevard topics
[edit]Thanks for all your work on Brevard county articles, both new and existing. Has improved area content dramatically! Student7 (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
List of U.S. Marines
[edit]It was an unintentional mistake. The proper fixes will be made. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Please revert list of museums in US stuff!
[edit]I would like it if you did that. It would not be convincing if I did it because I already did it once and he RE-DID his changes and continued on even after I told him to hold on for us to discuss his changes. If two separate people undo his disaster then we have more leverage.
Reverting is easier if you install Twinkle into your Wikipedia account. Here's how:
Create this page: User:FieldMarine/monobook.js
and type this into it:
importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
If you don't like it, just erase that code and that will uninstall it. You can see this page for more info on how to use Twinkle: Wikipedia:TWINKLE
Ben Boldt (talk) 17:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Crane Creek in Melbourne, Florida
[edit]Hey, I was trying to improve the internal link in Florida Institute of Technology and I was wondering if you had enough information to write an article about Crane Creek in Melbourne, Florida. Currently, "Crane Creek" is a redirect to Crane Creek in California. Thanks! I look forward in working with you. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 16:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- I have created a red-link for Crane Creek so that it is a disambig page instead of a redirect. The proposed title will be Crane Creek (Melbourne, Florida). Thanks again. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 16:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the note on the U.S. museum list
[edit]I'll take a look. Noroton (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Help desk
[edit]"of" or "in" in categories
[edit]In categories, sometime I see "of" used & sometimes "in" used, such as "Category:Parks in the United States" or "Category:Lakes of the United States". I know this is splitting hairs, but is there official guidance for which one to use? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, there is – Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories). Enjoy. BencherliteTalk 21:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Replied to your question, suggesting Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) might be what you want. Regards, BencherliteTalk 21:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Working Man’s Barnstar
[edit]Is it possible to change the Working Man’s Barnstar to just Worker’s Barnstar? I want to give that award to an editor. Not that I’m overly PC, I just honestly don’t know their gender. Just a thought. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, if you put {{subst:The Working Man's Barnstar|message ~~~~|n}} then the following will be produced:
The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar | ||
message The Helpful One (Talk) (Contribs) (Review) 21:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC) |
Hope this helps! The Helpful One (Talk) (Contribs) (Review) 21:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Vernon Court
[edit]Not all landmarks are buildings or structures. For example, Sugarloaf Mountain, in Rio de Janeiro, is a landmark. Therefore you were wrong to eliminate this category. MdArtLover (talk) 12:43, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Greetings -- I have been to the Vernon Court & it is very nice. On this article article, I eliminated the Category:Houses because the article already contained Category:Houses in Rhode Island, which is a subcat of Category:Houses. Thus, it is redundant to have it in the upper level category when it is covered by a lower level, more specific category. So I am unclear about your comment regarding Landmarks or buildings category -- these categories remain unchanged. What exactly do you disagree with? FieldMarine (talk) 14:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- Please disregard my quibble. I was mistaken. I hope that in future I'll read more carefully! MdArtLover (talk) 14:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Girimulya Surakarta
[edit]Is actually a section within/ie inside the imogiri graveyard and as such does not constitute a separate graveyard SatuSuro 07:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your message - I have needed to get back to the main article and get my head around some of the issues about such an article - there are hundreds of internees who technically need articles about themselves (1650's to now) and I have not had the headspace to deal with them - so any category is fine for the moment - it may take time to deal with :| SatuSuro 12:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
It is a very long story which i may if i am mad enough hope to make into a book - 'sultan agung' and I - a sort of scottish ancestry australian accidentally wandering into the depths of the javanese traditional graveyard system and walking out again - back into australian society and never getting a phd finished about it all - i hope theres enough humour in it :( SatuSuro 13:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
US Museum discussions
[edit]I've asked Ben Boldt to comment on the discussion at Talk:List of museums in the United States when he gets back. After he's commented (or if he still hasn't been back to Wikipedia after a few more days), I think it's time to wrap up the discussions and decide that we have a consensus on what the lists should look like to start out with. I've begun adding lots of museums from the online list you had linked to, starting with List of museums in Rhode Island and List of museums in Maine. Sound good? Noroton (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've clarified my comments at CFD on defunct museum catgories. I have no axe to grind on this one, but I do get fed up of editors (not you) proposing to upmerge an intersection category to only one of its parents. If that happens, then sets of articles disappear from a whole taxonomy. I hope that is clear now. Cheers, - Fayenatic (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thanks for prompting me to be clearer! - Fayenatic (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- I took the museums in all the state defunct museum categories and stuck them into "Defunct museums" sections at the bottom of each relevant state list-of-museums article. So at least not all of your work with them was in vain. I can't support keeping the categories, but I don't feel strongly about it. At some point when there are more museums to fill the categories, they'll be restored. In fact, I think it's inevitable, but I don't think there will be enough support for keeping them now. Best, Noroton (talk) 17:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Reply to your Help desk questions
[edit]I replied to your Help desk questions, to what extent I could:
- WP:HD#Recommendation for using sortable tables in other articles (that link will break in a few days after the section goes into the Help desk archive; here is a permanent link for future reference)
I mention this here because that Help desk question is starting to age, drifting higher on the page, and further discussion there may not attract notice. --Teratornis (talk) 17:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)++
Melbourne International Airport
[edit]Thank you for your kind words about the airport. I will review the article of course. Jamonsontai and I have a nice working arrangement. He does all the work and (if everyone likes it) I take all the credit! :) Actually I would have included you before you wrote me! I have nearly no eye for pictures but will do my best. Thanks for your contributions. Student7 (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Wow, every year I see people mispronounce, misspell (or both) my name... but this one's a new one... lol - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 06:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Museum lists inclusion criteria
[edit]Hi FM,
Could you please look at this diff at the Alaska museum list talk page and tell me if you think that's a good way of posting it? I'd like your advice before I put a copy of that on all the other talk pages. I think the Talk:List of museums in Alabama]] page already says the same thing but with different language. If you think the Alabama page should be changed, how would you do it? I'm really not sure. If you want to make changes there, feel free, but I won't. Noroton (talk) 03:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- (1) Why not add a sentence on the talk page "Inclusion criteria" section that reads: "Also inappropriate for this list are planetariums, List of aquaria and List of zoos, which have their own lists."? I'd include the links I include here but mask them with the words "aquaria" and "zoos". I wouldn't imply that it was the paragraph that got consensus, I'd just state it in the next paragraph. I'd also like to include a sentence at the top of every list noting that there is a "See also" section at the bottom where other institutions are listed. I think doing all that would do the trick.
- (2) No, I don't like including the closed museums in the regular list at all. I think it just introduces needless confusion for the reader. The sortable lists allow us to quickly group like items and narrow down searches. I don't see any reason why someone would want closed and open museums in the same bunch. It's just easier all around to separate open and closed museums into different lists.
(3) I like the General information section you added. Why don't I add that when I add the other section to the talk page.
- If you agree to what I'm suggesting here, I'll begin making the changes across all the state lists. Noroton (talk) 22:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll start doing it then. By the way, as to the regions: I'd like to try them out. If there's a disagreement about regions, it seems to me it can be solved simply by listing the counties that are in each region. If regions are vague, I don't see that as a major problem, because I don't think it will cause major confusion. Any reader really confused can look up the town link, which often comes with a little map (at least they do in Connecticut) or maps are available on the web. The "region" is named just to give people an idea that certain museums are in the same general area. If needed, it wouldn't be too difficult to list the Alabama counties that we could put in each of the regions I name in that listing. My intention is to leave the "region" column empty in most states and maybe someone from that state would fill it in. I might fill in the equivalent of "Birmingham area" for major cities in a state, but again, I don't see vagueness as a problem initially, and if it becomes a problem I think it can be worked out. At least, I think so. Noroton (talk) 00:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
For your many contributions...
[edit]The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
This barnstar is for your tireless efforts in creating and improving Florida articles, specifically, but not limited to, articles on subjects in Brevard County. Thanks! - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 06:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC) |
Thank you for your message, and for asking me if I had anny objections on renaming Wickham Park, Manchester, CT to Wickham Park (Manchester, Connecticut).
I do not have any objections at all to the suggested change of name. The only reason why I changed the name — from Wickham Park to Wickham Park, Manchester, CT — was to differentiate it from Wickham Park here in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia (where I live).
As you have requested, I will go to the talk page for Wickham Park, Manchester, CT and comment there. All the best. Figaro (talk) 09:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. Figaro (talk) 13:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
This was my reasoning in separating the pages: There are many jail and prison museums that don't have "Old Jail" in their name. I think we agree that some list of these museums is useful on Wikipedia. But disambiguation pages are only for disambiguating names, as Wikipedia:Disambiguation repeatedly states. If there were some overriding, overwhelming reason to contradict the guideline, I would have no problem with that, but it seems to me that the separate list would serve the separate purpose of listing all the museums and doing it in different ways from the disambiguation page. For instance, we might make the "List of prison museums" a sortable table or organize it by geography. Both pages should link to each other, of course. I'm also concerned about the title "Old Jail Museum", which is fine for a disambiguation page but doesn't fit Wikipedia style for article pages. Therefore either readers won't be able to figure out the prison museum list by themselves and simply type it in the search function, or we need redirect pages. Redirect pages take up about as much space on Wikipedia's servers as a prison list page would. So what's the point in combining them? I see no confusion or extra work involved in having two pages. Ultimately, uniform style helps readers concentrate on what they're looking for rather than having to adjust to different list styles on the same subject. Noroton (talk) 13:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- I posted a comment at Talk:List of jail and prison museums and suggest that the discussion continue there. --Coppertwig (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Your advice would be welcome
[edit]I'd like to pick your brain about two different things:
- I recently created List of science museums in the United States and, more as an experiment than anything else, I created three different columns on the subject of "type". The idea was to try to better capture the subjects covered in the museum in a way that would allow someone to search for those that might have a secondary focus on something. But I have a lot of doubts that it can work well, and it may just be confusing. If you're interested, please take a look and tell me what you think on the talk page there.
- I discovered Category:Prison museums which has a subcategory for prison museums in Australia. Whatever we do with the disambiguation page (and two editors from WP:MOSDAB are saying we should combine them, and I can go along with that), do you think it would be better to have a separate United States list (and maybe an Australian list and a U.K. list) or should we combine them into one worldwide list? To me, it's a question of what would be most useful for readers, but I don't know what that would be. Any advice on either of these would be appreciated. Cheers, Noroton (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
- Re the table in the list of science museums: It looks great to me. You might want to consider deleting the "tertiary" column unless you have a reasonable hope that there will eventually be at least several entries in it; renaming the "tertiary" column to "Other focus" or just "Tertiary focus"; and/or renaming the "Notes" column to "Official museum website" or something.
- Re categories and splitting pages: the way the categories are organized does not have to be the same as the way the list(s) is/are organized; it could be argued that it's better for them to be different, otherwise they're giving redundant information (though it could also be argued that it's better for them to be the same, so never mind -- just organize each one, lists or categories, in the way that makes the most sense without regard to how the other is organized; at least, that's my suggestion but I don't have experience with that particular situation.) Re splitting a page: I would suggest having them all on one page unless that page is overly long, a large number of screenfuls of information, and splitting them would result in most of the smaller pages being more than one screenful long. When considering how to split them, you need to consider WP:NPOV. I think it might not be NPOV to have one United States list and one "everything except the United States" list. It just doesn't seem like a balanced international point of view to do that. Or, maybe it would be OK. I'm not sure. You could consider splitting them by continent or something. It's OK, in my opinion, to have a few pages that are for individual countries or continents and other pages that are for a group of many countries or continents, if some countries or continents don't have enough entries to justify a page by themselves. Use your judgement as to how long is too long for one page; or see WP:SUMMARY which says "What constitutes 'too long' is largely based on the topic, but generally 30KB of prose is the starting point where articles may be considered too long." For lists, it may be a smaller number of bytes representing a similar number of screenfuls of information to an article of that length; or maybe it really is the number of bytes that's important. If nobody else objects, it's largely up to you how to do it.
- I think both of you are doing good work here. These lists of museums look quite useful. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. :-) --Coppertwig (talk) 13:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- FieldMarine, I'll let you take care of the merging, as you suggested. Noroton (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
FM, Good question, I think I errored... I was searching for other Aviation Hall of Fames, finding the Florida HOF and in looking for the Florida Aviation Historical Society I hit on the Florida History Society, and must have thought "eureka!" and dropped the references accordingly. Now seeing my error, I'll removed the links. I'll drop them on the Talk:Colorado Aviation Hall of Fame for any future references or needs. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Cheers! Lance... LanceBarber (talk) 05:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kudos. Lance... LanceBarber (talk) 05:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Notability of Eau Gallie Yacht Club
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National monuments
[edit]Could you please explain why you depopulated the category and requested speedy deletion of the category? Many of your edits seem to be unhelpful. Bastin 22:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- The eliminated category was redundant & confusing considering the existing, well used cat Monuments & memorials. The large majority of monuments in almost all countries are actually listed under the cat Monuments & memorials with only a few in the singular Monuments cat. Additionally, there is no corresponding National memorials cat to match the National monuments cat. By eliminating the National monuments cat, there are useful & more consistent groupings. For example, National Memorials of the U.S. and National Monuments of the U.S. are collocated under the Cat Memorial and monuments in the US, making it much easier to navigate & provides better hierarchical structure & logical taxonomy. What problem specifically do you have with organizing in that manner? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 23:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Category:National monuments was a subcategory of Category:Monuments and memorials. Hence, the fact that the latter category is well-used is hardly surprising, and the fact that a separate subcategory existed for national monuments is entirely appropriate. If the concern was that there is assymetry, you should have done was proposed renaming Category:National monuments to Category:National monuments and memorials under the process of WP:CfR. Depopulating a category manually for the purpose of making it qualify for speedy deletion is vandalism. I am fixing the issue now. Bastin 23:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Refining categories & eliminating redundant ones is not vandalism...it's done on a daily basis in wikipedia. These categories still don't follow a logical flow. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 05:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
List of Marines
[edit]Hello FieldMarine,
ERcheck and I have argeed to add a note on the "list" as to what is expected of those who edit and add names to said list. Since you are a regular editor of the list, I hope that you agree with us and help us in making sure that other people follow the rules when adding names to the list. Semper Fi Tony the Marine (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, I have notified ERcheck that you have joined us in our quest. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to create a separate article for United States Marine Corps use of the term Leatherneck for use in redirects in main articles written about Marines. I was thinking I could move the current Leatherneck article to “Leatherneck (disambiguation)” so I could use that article title for the article currently located at User:FieldMarine/Sandbox 2. I would like your opinion on that? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 05:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- The USMC use is certainly the primary meaning of the term, and there is no other article with that exact title, so the move makes sense to me. Cheers --ShelfSkewed Talk 05:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Cat Order Question
[edit]Quick question because I'm still learning about categories. I noticed in this edit you changed the order of the cats. Is there a guideline somewhere as to the order? I admit to being guilty of listing rather haphazardly. Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 04:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sometimes I alphabetize cats if I make a change to one & in this case, the change was making "Defunct Museums" to "Defunct Museums in the United States". This sometimes adds to consistency across the board, but not always. I'm not aware of any guidance for ordering cats. If there is a logical reason to order them differently, I would go for it. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 14:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks, no logical reason to do it otherwise. I tend to just add on when I find a new or missed cat. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of Aquaria in Venezuela
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Historical society
[edit]Sorry for the redundant addition of the Rhode Island Historical Society..I didn't notice the official state h.s. section. Feel free to remove it. Swampyank (talk) 03:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
My absence
[edit]I have sort of lost interest in the lists of museums when they all changed. This is unfortunate. They are growing very well though. I may contribute here and there but I am no longer obsessed with it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Boldt (talk • contribs) 02:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Mayfield Park
[edit]Thanks for your contribution to Mayfield Park, Hampshire, cleaning up the references. I knew the long list of references was messy, but I had no idea it could be optimised this way. Your changes have helped me to discover something new about Wikipedia. Its been very helpful and is much appreciated. Hethurs (talk) 07:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
List of museums in Florida
[edit]Hi, FieldMarine. It's been a while since I looked at this article. (The sortable table format looks really good, to me!} I'm willing to jump in and work on it but am a little unclear where the current editors are trying to go, as it has several simultaneous formats. Please let me know if you would like another helper. Tim Ross (talk) 10:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that having one sortable table is the most efficient way to see all the museums in a city or region. If a special link is needed for a particular grouping, maybe another column with that link would be helpful? I'm trying to add all the museums in the state, as I have tried to do for many other states, and the overall sortable table format is good for finding listings. What specific link or info should I add? Jllm06 (talk) 21:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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Requesting your opinion
[edit]My fellow comrades, I'm requesting your participation as an uninvolved party in the following consensus: Gen. Raymond T. Odierno in an effort to terminate an edit-war between the two parties involved . The issue involved has to do with the inclusion in Odierno's biography his participation in the so-called "Surge" or to simply "link" said Surge to an article about said subject. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you all for your valued participation and suggestions on the Gen. Raymond T. Odierno biography. The edit "protection" of the aticle will be lifted soon. Consensus suggest that additional info should be included for his early life and career. Career history should go after the "Early life and education" section. It is recognized that the general's involvement in the planning and undertaking of the surge is notable and should be included in the article, however it should be limited in scope to what was verifiably done by the general and should not weigh too heavily on that particular subject in order to to have a more balanced biography. Final comments welcomed. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Favor
[edit]I will be traveling for 5-days next week and I am hoping that you take complete charge of the "List". Don't the other party get you too caught up in the "McGuinn" ordeal. If the user provides a primary reliable source, let it go. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Wall of Honor
[edit]FieldMarine, you are one of the best persons whom I have had the pleasure of working and interacting with in Wikipedia and therefore, with great pleasure I have inducted you into my "Wall of Honor". Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 23:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm back
[edit]Well my friend, I'm back from the cruise. The ship stopped in Catalina Island and in Ensenada Mexico. The last time I was in Mexico was in 1969, when I was sent to Camp Pendelton and I visited Tijuana. The thing about Ensenada that I had to see was La Bufadora and the Convention center which once was a casino owned by Al Capone. Semper Fi, Tony the Marine (talk) 06:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the "Legion of Merit". Tony the Marine (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
About the Please Touch Museum story...
[edit]I used the term "literal Valentine" and the Fairmount Park Commission as they did occur on February 14th. Wikipedia allows you to be creative in the articles. I guess that you fail to see through the creative process. NoseNuggets (talk) 9:00 PM US EDT Oct 21 2008.
- Please keep the article in an encyclopedic style for an international audience. Also, please use references when adding material & ensure its context is understood outside the local area. Keep the information relevant to the topic. It’s unclear to the reader what the relevance is about a proposed plan by Simon Property Group that fell through at a different location. How is that important? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 02:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
- Did you read the fifth pillar where the words "Be bold" is pointed out? I have a source that will be placed within the story when i re-edit it from the Philadelphia Inquirer about said Penns' Landing project. If that isn't considered a reputable source, then you sir can forget it! NoseNuggets (talk) 11:47 PM US EDT oct 21 2008.
- I’m not really sure what’s bold about this article or any of the edits so far. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 03:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
- I just happen to live in Philadelphia, BTW. And was that "thanks" sarcastic? NoseNuggets (talk) 12:09 AM US EDT Oct 22 2009.
- I sign off mostly all my comments with "Thanks!" Just habbit I guess. I apologize if I offended you by saying that. FieldMarine (talk) 04:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
- No offense. BTW, the reference to the "valentine" in the Please Touch Museum item was the fact being the announcement date: February 14, 2005, also known as "Valentine's Day". Artistic license so to speak. NoseNuggets (talk) 12:22 AM US EDT Oct 22 2008.
- I hope you consider my input as constructive as I’m only trying to improve the article. Overall, I actually believe the article has improved with the iterations & your edits have added much value. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
These items that you claim to have fixed are all in opposition to the manual of style. Please read it to help make a uniform encyclopedia. E_dog95' Hi ' 17:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
International Health
[edit]Thanks for the contribution!
Looking over your list of articles, I believe we have a number of interests in common (CA, Liberia, international development, etc). Contact me, please, at warner.anderson@tma.osd.mil. I am director of International Health Division at the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense (Health Affairs). Just-retired SF and US Army CA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.149.74 (talk) 03:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
About your note and referencing. The way you had it you would need to have both the "Note" section and the "References" section, such as seen here: Felice Beato. If instead you do as I have, and you can see an example here, 7 World Trade Center, or on one of the 25 GAs and 1 FA I've personal done here, you can combine them into one section. Combining them tends to make sense on small articles like this, or when the sources used are generally small (in the way of page numbers, thus less need for "Johnson, pp. 14-16" followed by "Ibid., p. 76" and the like). And generally since FA changed the criteria to require inline citations, the old way described on WP:CITE where there is a general references section is a bit depreciated. The more standard way can be seen at a current FA candidate, USS Constitution. There the ref section is as it is on the Freeport, and the notes are more of a explanatory type note and not references. Hopefully this helps, but let me know if you have questions or disagree. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
No content in Category:Obelisks in France
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Semper Fi
[edit]Hey, just wishing you an advanced Happy USMC and Veterans Day. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
- I would like to share with you an underserved surprise that I recieved today, the USMC birthday, in an e-mail. [1] Tony the Marine (talk) 19:14, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Happy Thanksgiving
[edit]Wishing you and your loved ones a Happy Thanksgiving Day. Semper Fi, Tony the Marine (talk) 22:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
How you doing?
[edit]Hey Marine how's everything? Man, I wrote an article about Ivan Castro (soldier), the only blind officer serving in the Special Forces and it came out in "DYK". The big surprise is that it received 71,300 hits making it the #1 DYK article of all time. You would think that I would be happy with the DYK results, but you should see all the crap that went on in the articles talk page. It was unbelievable, made think about never nominating an article for DYK again. Well buddy take care and Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hey buddy, send me your e-mail address (maybe via my e-mail) I want to share some news with you. Sepmer Fi, Tony the Marine (talk) 19:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Merry Christmas
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CfD nomination of Category:Humanitarian operations
[edit]Category:Humanitarian operations, which you created, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 16:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Marine museum
[edit]Hey there Field Marine, according to the article Marine Corps Museum, the museum was never located in Virginia (though the current National Museum of the Marine Corps, which has its own article and is linked from this article) and the museum is not operating in D.C. anymore, so it's not a museum in D.C. Scarykitty (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I think the "Museums in" category should be limited to currently operating museums. The category Defunct museums in the United States might later be split into Defunct museums in Virginia and the like, but until then, I think it's overcategorization to have the 3 categories (defunct, DC, Virginia). Scarykitty (talk) 19:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Plumb House (Waynesboro, Virginia) and other NRHP articles
[edit]Hi, i came across the article you created on Plumb House (Waynesboro, Virginia) back in 2007. Nice job, thanks for starting it with link to the PDF NRHP application document for it and so on. I notice, though, that you apparently manually created the NRHP infobox on the page, probably without knowledge that there is a tool available to create NRHP infoboxes more easily and more completely. You might want to check it out, if you might create other articles on the List of RHPs in VA or otherwise. To use it, just visit http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php, and enter, say, "Plumb" and "VA". It generates output with a filled-out infobox ready to be cut and pasted into your new article. I just used it to update the Plumb House infobox to include latitude and longitude coordinates and to display a map. It comes in with a suitable footnote stating that the data was sourced from the National Register Information System (NRIS) in April 2008, which is the date of a big download by User:Elkman into his infobox tool system. That April 2008 date should not be changed to a current date unless of course you go to NRIS and get new data from there. You can add other info to the infobox, in which case it is usually appropriate to footnote the fields that you add to. Perhaps you may find the tool useful, and I hope you might consider developing more VA NRHP articles. Let me know if you have any questions. Anyhow, nice work on the Plumb article. :) doncram (talk) 16:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note & the head's up on the infobox tool. That's way cool! I'll definitely use it in the future. FieldMarine (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Good, I'm glad you like it. :) Also I invite you to consider joining wp:NRHP. Whether you join or not (which u would do just by adding your name to its membership list), you are very welcome to post questions at our Talk page wt:NRHP and to announce new NRHP articles you've created in the new article announcement box on the main page wp:NRHP. That tends to attract some helpful attention, like edits adding categories and other stuff, by NRHP regulars. Cheers, doncram (talk) 18:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Disputed fair use rationale for File:Town of Chincoteague Seal (transparent background) low res.png}
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Disputed fair use rationale for File:Town of Chincoteague Seal (transparent background) low res.png}
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Disputed fair use rationale for File:Town of Chincoteague Seal (transparent background) low res.png}
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Hi there. This file has been moved to Commons, could you please precise whether you are the person stated as the photograph, or only the uploader? Thanks a lot! --Eusebius (talk) 09:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
- Same here, please: File:Ginter Building Detail 1.jpg --Eusebius (talk) 12:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
- Done, thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 07:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Eusebius (talk) 07:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- Done, thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 07:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Obelisks in Washington, D.C.
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Proposed deletion of Roadology
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- Also Category:Roadology (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 March 22), I've proposed a merge to its parent categories. —Snigbrook 00:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Barnstar
[edit]Thanks! Its good to know someone's actually looking at what we do! SGT141 (talk) 22:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
{{Infobox house}}
[edit]Hi, I see you created this template. I've just left a note on its talk page suggesting that a default image size would be a great improvement to it - could avoid a monstrosity like this! Any chance you could tweak the template to include that? PamD (talk) 08:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello Fieldmarine I've been adding the chincoteague.com links to the Chincoteague page and you have been deleting them due to your assumption that they are spam. I had the first Chincoteague page before any others and worked with the town and the chamber in the late 90's. I was the only link from Wikipedia from quite a while that offered any information about the Island that I live at.
If that is the new rules that sites that offer a link for income then please remove all the other links that recieve money from the businesses such as http://www.chincoteagueislandvacations.com/, http://www.chincoteague-island.net/ , http://www.chincoteaguewaves.com/ and www.Chincoteaguechamber.com. These companies charge for a link as I do. We offer good content that takes a lot of time and many of us do not have the luxury of retirement income from the government and have to make an honest living. I've tried to find your email address or real name to no avail to discuss this in a civil manor. If you keep removing my links then my last resort is to report you to the Wikipedia Gods and hope I find justice there. You can find my contact iformation from my site that you keep deleting.Kandmmann (talk) 23:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kandmmann (talk • contribs) 23:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- The best place to discuss issues regarding articles is on the article talk page so the community can comment. Please see Talk:Chincoteague, Virginia. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 02:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Bea Arthur Part2
[edit]- Attention my fellow comrades. User:Chrisrus, has provided us with the site: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2PUgDa1jy4) in which Arthur is supposed to have stated (I say "supposed" only because my internet connection is so slow that I haven't looked at it) that she was never a member of the United States Marine Corps. We "must" look into this because if it true then her name must be removed from the List of U.S. Marines. Please take a look and make recommendations. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Check this out
[edit]My brother, you have got to check out this amazing story [2]. Tony the Marine (talk) 05:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- Since the link is not working for everybody, I'll post it for you to read:
911 at NORTHCOM - The Marines and the Babies Seven Years Ago
Wolf- Just came from the memorial ceremony here at NORTHCOM. LTC (CH) Robert Leivers led the group in a ceremony here at the headquarters. During the ceremony, he relayed this little-known story from the Pentagon on 9/11:
"During a visit with a fellow chaplain, who happened to be assigned to the Pentagon, I had a chance to hear a first-hand account of an incident that happened right after Flt 77 hit the Pentagon. The Chaplain told me what happened at a daycare center near where the impact occurred.
"This daycare had many children, including infants who were in heavy cribs. The daycare supervisor, looking at all the children they needed to evacuate, was in a panic over what they could do; there were many children, mostly toddlers, as well as the infants that would need to be taken out with the cribs. There was no time to try to bundle them into carriers and strollers.
"Just then a young Marine came running into the center and asked what they needed. After hearing what the center director was trying to do, he ran back out into the hallway and disappeared. The director thought, 'well, there we are- on our own.' About 2 minutes later, that Marine returned with 40 others in tow. Each of them grabbed a crib with a child, and the rest started gathering up toddlers. The director and her staff then helped them take all the children out of the center and down toward the park near the Potomac and the Pentagon.
"Once they got about 3/4 of a mile outside the building, the Marines stopped in the park, and then did a fabulous thing- they formed a circle with the cribs, which were quite sturdy and heavy, like the covered wagons in the West. Inside this circle of cribs, they put the toddlers, to keep them from wandering off. Outside this circle were the 40 Marines, forming a perimeter around the children and waiting for instructions. There they remained until the parents could be notified and come get their children."
Wolf: The NORTHCOM chaplain then said- "I don't think any of us saw nor heard of this on any of the news stories of the day. It was an incredible story of our men there.
I must say- there wasn't a dry eye in the room. The thought of those Marines and what they did and how fast they reacted- could we expect any less from them?? It was one of the most touching stories from the Pentagon I've EVER heard.
Wolf
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