Category talk:Shades of orange

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Since the description of this category is "Colors resembling orange," this category should be moved to Category:Variations of orange because shades of a color only deal with similar colors that are darker, and more strictly darker versions of that same hue. Jecowa 05:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You've given us two reasons:

1. the description given on the page
2. a shade is a darker version of the hue.

The first point is interesting, however, should we change the title to fit the description or should we change the description to fit the title? As I see it the best thing might be to change either or both where necessary to fit the content. The description currently on the page is not complete. The page primarily deals with varieties of organge i.e. not just colours which look similar to orange but which are orange. Amber, for example, doesn't just resemble orange it is a yellowish orange and therefore an orange no less then a hot pie is a pie. If we are to keep brown, on the other hand, then arguably we should also keep the "resembling" bit also. Perhaps something along the lines of "varieties of orange and other colours resembling orange" would be better.

The second point is quite good, however, I do have a couple of questions to raise.

1. Is this sense of "shade" overly strict? Wiktionary says "A variety of a colour/color, in particular one obtained by adding black". Cambridge says "a variety or degree of a colour". The American Heritage Dictionary, though, says "The degree to which a color is mixed with black or is decreasingly illuminated; gradation of darkness."
2. There really is no one single hue that is orange. Instead orange ranges (there's a pun there for you contempory Japanese music lovers) over a continuum of hue as it does over a continuum of tint. Of course, this second point in conjunction with the stricter sense of "shade" is only all the more reason to change the title: don't mention something which is already implied.

Should the category (along with the associated template & those of other colours as well) be moved then? I would support it if concensus turns out in favour of this more strict sense of the word "shade". However, let's not move them to "Variations ..." but to "Varieties ..." so as to emphasise that we are primarily dealing with colours which fit under the general term organge (as opposed to colours which you might get by taking some cardinal orange and varying it). Jimp 04:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should be changed, basically any art teacher/professor will tell you a shade is created by adding black, a tint by adding white, and a tone by adding grey. Also, most of the 'shades of grey' are simply tones of other colors, rather than different values of grey. I fully support the change to 'variations' for all colors. from an art education standpoint, keeping these terms straight seems like a good idea. I support it enough i'd simply do it, but i don't know wiki formating well enough. --Goldkear (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Change  In colour theory, a tint is a colour mixed with white, and a shade is a colour with black. Less specifically, either can be used to describe various values or tones: variations in brightness (with a constant hue and chroma [a.k.a. saturation or intensity]). Tint and shade also commonly refer to all kinds of variations in a colour, but there's no point in naming encyclopedic categories with such an imprecise and potentially confusing use of terminology. —Michael Z. 2012-04-22 18:43 z

Artistically, a shade of a color is a darker or more black form of the color, while a tint is the lighter or more white from of the color. A hue is the original pure color. Therefore, the category might be changed to Category:Hue variations (orange). Enonesohc 14:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orange-red & Vermillion are not the same on the page, yet Orange-red links to Vermillion.

Nantucketnoon (talk) 03:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]