Template talk:Late night television in the United States

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Huh? Why are Bill Maher and Chelsea Handler's programs not italicized? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 02:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't Fox News' comedy show Red Eye on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.209.102.119 (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the TV One late night programs recently but I seem to have also made the shows in the Upcoming section not appear even though they're still in the editing section. How can they reappear? TimidObserver (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When Leno has his show at 10pm (this July), which is generally accepted Prime Time, should that program be included in this template? TheHYPO (talk) 19:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why was South Park deleted? It's new at 10.TBone777 (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is of substantially different style than the other listed programmes. --69.123.112.18 (talk) 04:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{USLateNightTelevision}} has been proposed for deletion:

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_April_3#Template:USLateNightTelevision

as a redundant alternative to {{Late night}} (included in most of the same articles). Only the proposer (yours truly) and the creator of USLateNightTelevision have contributed to the discussion so far. More participants are welcome. 67.100.127.102 (talk) 09:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]

If web soup and The Soup is added here then Tosh.0 should be added as well. Gambit9000 (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should Leno's new show be on this template? This is late night, and Leno is in primetime. Shark96z (talk) 13:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Leno is not a late night show; it is a primetime show. All press material and promos describe the show as primetime - even the house band is titled "the primetime band". This is not a "late night talk or comedy show".

Well now that it's official that Leno will move after the olympics should we waiot untill it debuts on Late Night or put it on nowTheSimpsonsRocks (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)ThesimpsonsRocks[reply]

Should Nightline be included on this list? It could be considered talk and it goes on at 11:30? What about Sportscenter? There is a new live version of that at 11. I would really consider both of these shows as news, but since there isn't any other template they'd fit into, I was wondering if people think they'd work here. --Flyguy33 (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The syndicated Comics Unleashed should probably be added; Nightline is more of a newsmagazine, while SportsCenter is pretty much straight news. 12.197.62.30 (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See this change. For some reason, news satire and comedy shows are removed from the title, leaving only talk shows in the header. This means we should have to say goodbye to, for example, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. I am not sure if such consequences are beneficial for the template. Regards, Jeff5102 (talk) 10:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I reckon that the previous title is much more fitting and inclusive. Also, not sure why we needed to change 'Network' to 'Broadcast'. --TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 16:09, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, @Jeff5102: Is it not best to first create a page of the show, before adding it to the template? The current link redirects to his own page and has very little info about the show. Also, the late night template isn't added there.--TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Just do what you need to do. Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you OK with it being removed from the template, until such page is created? --TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed.Jeff5102 (talk) 08:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! --TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

While the latest Comedy Central addition (The Jim Jefferies Show) does fit the format, The President Show is in fact a sketch-show, not a talk-show / news satire. Any objection to its removal? TonyIsTheWoman (talk) 19:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe it should stay, since I don't see any difference between President Show and The Colbert Report. He does satirical topical comedy segments in character, including remote segments, and interviews a guest at the end of each episode. -- Wikipedical (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikipedical:, the pages that are exempt from MOS:CURRENTLY ate the ones that are updated constantly, like the current events portal. This is not updated on a frequent basis as shows do not debut and end that frequently. This template hadn't been edited in a month before I came to remove the word "current". Please respect the Manual of Style and undo your reversion. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The template hasn't been updated in over a month precisely because late-night shows "do not debut and end that frequently." But the template is nevertheless regularly updated, as regularly as shows premiere/end, and not likely to be outdated. Thus, the word "current" is accurate and in my view satisfies MOS:CURRENTLY / WP:PRECISELANG. However, I would support using "as of ..." here and on the other TV templates you modified recently, if you would insist that's more appropriate. -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why they weren't in the template or if they were removed but The Greg Gutfeld Show and Watters' World absolutely fit the description to be in the template. Forbes just reported that The Greg Gutfeld Show is the third biggest late night show ranking right below The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon and above Jimmy Kimmel Live! ^[1]

The template is for "Current late night shows in the United States" (previously "Current late night talk/news satire/comedy shows in the United States", but that is too specific since not all late-night shows are talk/news satire/comedy). But now there is another problem: what shows should we put in there?

• Option 1: all listed in List of late-night American network TV programs.
• Option 2: keep as is.

The only problem is that there isn't much consensus on what counts as a late-night show (10pm shows are also listed in the list) and also the table might become bloated. I'd love to hear your inputs. Spinixster (chat!) 07:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused – why is "talk/news satire/comedy" too specific? It looks like every show except Amanpour & Company falls into that category; as best as I can tell, that one was removed for not being a comedy show, then it was added back and the clarifying words were removed immediately after. I'd remove Amanpour & Company (note that Nightline, another network news program, is already excluded) and add "talk/news satire/comedy" back. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the template's name is "Late night television in the United States", it does not imply that it excludes non-talk/comedy/news satire shows. This is why I started this discussion in the first place. Spinixster (chat!) 03:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess that the template was intended to cover only talk/comedy programs, which is generally what is meant by "late-night TV" (as opposed to TV that just happens to air late at night). Maybe moving the page could make that clearer; I would suggest Template:U.S. late-night talk and news comedy television to keep it relatively short, but I'm open to other suggestions. RunningTiger123 (talk) 04:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd personally remove the news since it's rather redundant and not all late-night comedy shows revolve around the news, or at least I don't always associate them with it. The main focus should be late-night comedy shows.

Another question is what shows to include, since technically Gutfeld!, Fox News Saturday Night and streaming shows such as The Amber Ruffin Show and My Next Guest Needs No Introduction with David Letterman would also fall in this category but are not included in this template. Spinixster (chat!) 10:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point on the comedy vs. news comedy distinction. For Gutfield! and Fox News Saturday Night, they air during what Nielsen defines as prime time, so I wouldn't call them late-night shows. For streaming shows, I would go based off how they are described; The Amber Ruffin Show is often called a late-night show (at least from a quick click through the sources at the article), while My Next Guest is not. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this discussion on what shows to include can also be breached out to the list since there's not really a guideline for that list, thus why shows like Gutfeld! were included. (To be fair, when that show was added, it was still airing at 11 p.m. ET, and I was the one who updated the airing time.) Spinixster (chat!) 13:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]