User talk:DESiegel

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This is my talk page. Please add new messages to the bottom of the page, Please sign all msgs with four tildes (like this ~~~~). Click here to start a new topic. DES ^(talk) 03:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I will generally preserve all comments, positive or negative, and archive them when the page gets too large. But I may choose to delete vandalism or nonsense. I would generally prefer that other editors not remove anything from my talk page. Thank you for communicating with me. DES ^(talk) 03:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Any removals of content from my talk page may be reverted by rollback with or without notice. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I may respond on your talk page, or under your comment here. If i respond here I will notify you with a {{talkback}} template, or a ping, or both, unless you have asked me not to, or have asked editors in general not to so notify you (as some editors do). DES ^(talk) 21:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If I have left a comment on your talk page, or on an article talk page, you may respond where i left the comment, or here. If you respond where i left the comment, to keep the thread together, dropping me a note or placing a {{talkback}} or {{tb}} template on this page, or pinging me by including {{U|DESiegel}} in a signed talk page comment will probably mean that I see your comment and respond sooner. Please consider doing so. DES ^(talk) 00:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not edit the header template (User:DESiegel/TPHdr) used to display these header sections of the talk page unless there is a problem with it -- that template is not a good place to leave messages for me. DES ^(talk) 21:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Archive 1 My talk page from 10 Feb 2005 thru 6 Sept 2005.
• Archive 2 My talk page from 6 Sept 2005 thru 19 Dec 2005.
• Archive 3 My talk page from 20 Dec 2005 thru 10 Feb 2006.
• Archive 4 My talk page from 21 Feb 2006 thru 21 Apr 2007.
• Archive 5 My talk page from 22 Apr 2007 thru 31 May 2007.
• Archive 6 My Talk page, June 2007 archived while I was absent.
• Archive 7 My Talk page, July 2007 archived while I was absent.
• Archive 8 My Talk page August 2007 through 21 January 2010
• Archive 9 My Talk page 21 January 2010 through 21 March 2010
• Archive 10 My Talk page 23 March 2010 through September 2012
• Archive 11 My Talk page October 2012 through March 2015
• Archive 12 My Talk page April through June 2015
• Archive 13 My Talk page July 2015 through December 2016
• Archive 14 My Talk page February 2017 through February 2018

Welcome!

Hello DESiegel, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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@DESiegel: Hi there. My wiki interest is editing food pages and you'll see I edit and improve mostly food pages in my time on wiki. I'm currently in a discussion with you and others in relation to the page foodporn. I'd like you to kindly investigate users Hogohit and Praxidicae. An investigation of Special:Contributions/Hogohit proves this is merely a vandalism account (as they just created this account 2 days ago with the sole purpose of deleting/vandalising foodporn and 'food porn'. Further, if you look at Special:Contributions/Praxidicae, this user just makes wholesale edits, speedy deletion requests, and deletes whole slabs of edits and content on multiple pages without any kind of justification or rationale. This is not helpful for new users trying to learn how to be a wiki editor. I think both users should be perma banned for vandalism. Thanks for your time. PS: apologies my 'wiki speak' still needs some work. I'm learning as I go :)

Hi. Would you please draftify or userfy the subject article, or at least send me a copy of the wikitext? Thanks.   — Jeff G. ツ 13:55, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Your account is currently configured with an education program flag. This system (the Courses system) is being deprecated. As such, your account will soon be updated to remove these no longer supported flags. For details on the changes, and how to migrate to using the replacement system (the Programs and Events Dashboard) please see Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Archive 18#NOTICE: EducationProgram extension is being deprecated.

Thank you! Sent by: xaosflux 20:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 17:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I received a message from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mduvekot regards too many references to artist's web-site. I did not have enough time to correct it. The references to artists website could be removed , if it going against of Wikipedia rules. They were created with purpose to give information about collections. Please renew the page so I am able to remove all references to artist’s website. Best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editorforart (talk • contribs) 04:39, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Editorforart, I deleted the article as being very promotional. This is not just a matter of references to the artist's web site, but that the whole text read like an advertisement for the artist, or a CV. I have restored it and moved it to Draft:Oksana Tanasiv, where it can be edited down to a factually based test. Remwember that all statements should be suported or be able to be supported, from reliabel sources. Please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your first article before continuing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:53, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Editorforart (talk) 17:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC) Thank you for restoring the article to the draft. I would correct the issues and improve the article to the required standards. Also, I would appreciate any of your help or volunteers help in correcting it. Thank you.[reply]

Of course, Editorforart. Plese do not include personal orm uncited opnions or subjective statements about the nature of the artist's work. All statements should be clearly factual, or elswe quoted opnions from reliable sources which are cited, clearly marked as such. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:40, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David, you declined the speedy deletion of Sikander Menghro. Actually page was created by me by mistake. A page already exist on same person under different name at Sikandar Ali Mandhro. Redirection does not make sense because the spelling are wrong, therefore I suggested it be deleted. --Saqib (talk) 20:03, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response and help. Very much appreciated LampGenie01 (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! The passcode is "af". I hope you're able to sign up without trouble and I look forward to having you join us Saturday. Let me know if you need any other assistance. sarahobender (talk • contribs) 13:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've had problems with your authoritive tones before. If anyone needs to AGF it's you. Consider discussing COIN and not the people who work hard to clean this place up and reduce its misuse. Thank you for your comprehension and your otherwise excellent work at the Tea House. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DESiegel, I am Deermouse, Thank you for the grammatical enlightenment. I too know this however I chose to practice the communication skills to improve wiki love. This response to your kind remark is well sent with much wiki love. I hope to improve my editing soon. I have some cleaning up to do over at the Human nutrition page. I would inquire of this Ambassador program, rather the subject matter MoS.Deermouse (talk) 22:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DESiegel. I know we wound up at cross purposes just now. My apologies for that. I want you to know that I have been working with reFill for a few months now and have spent many hours working on the citations that it doesn't fix. My efforts are in an attempt to keep the Category:All articles with bare URLs for citations clear. It has been a good learning experience (and left my typing fingers tired a few times) but it has also taught me that reFill isn't perfect and it certainly isn't designed to accomplish what you are striving for. I think your new template looks good and I appreciate this edit as it will avoid any confusion over what that program can't do. Again my apologies for any upset I've brought to your evening or day depending on where you live. MarnetteD|Talk 02:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MarnetteD, no upset at all. I apologize for my tone. You were correct, using a tag that promised that refill would fix what it in fact won't fix was not helpful. I was thinking of the general purpose of {{linkrot}} but its specific wording didn't really fit this situation, and when you pointed out that that was the issue, i basically cloned {{linkrot}}, changing the wording and removing the references to refill. I think refill has been significantly improved of late, and if that was in part your doing, thank you. I take it that it no longer stuffs extra info in the title parameter as it used to do, and as the earlier tool did? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. I am not sure as I don't think I used the earlier version. I haven't seen it stick anything more than the basic title into that field but I have seen some title fields with way more in them than the actual title. Thanks to your message I now know why :-) My wikiprogramming skills are minimal so it is the work of others that will have brought about improvements. Cheers and enjoy the rest of your week. MarnetteD|Talk 02:34, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The earlier tool was Reflinks by the way, MarnetteD. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know. Thanks for the link. MarnetteD|Talk 02:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated the template you created for merging with Template:Ref expand {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DESiegel !

I have had two of my recent additions to Wikipedia deleted by another user. Suzann Christine and Damon Allen Jr. He is an administrator. The reason for deletion was because it seemed promotional. I communicated to him that I would like the opportunity to edit the pages but they were deleted without ever having been nominated. It was quite sudden and startling, considering the pages have been in place for several months now.

I took some time to go through several Wikipedia training courses so that I am better prepared to edit. The admin who deleted the pages has been unresponsive for 24 hours, so I am reaching out to you, as you helped me with the edits on my first page, Charlie Heat . What I am asking is to have the additions restored so that I can edit in a more neutral fashion. I didn't realize that by quoting people who give praise, that I would in turn be adopting a promotional tone. He advised that I drop the quoted material and simply state facts. I understand.

He also questioned if I have been compensated to edit on Wikipedia and I have not YET been paid. I do intend to be paid in the future so I have added the required PAID template to my Userpage.

Please reach out. The pages were deleted last week. I took the topics on as a way to give myself good experience in this setting.

Thank you.

Whitevwins (talk) 18:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Whitevwins, You need to understand first of all that most Wikipedia editors, and as far as I know all Wikipedia admins, are totally unpaid volunteers who edit and perform administrative functions in their spare time. Please read Wikipedia:There is no deadline. A 24 hour delay does not usually constitute "unresponsive". No response for a week or two might. Seraphimblade is a well-respected and experienced admin. So is Kudpung. As Kudpung told you, asking one admin to undo the acts of another ("admin shopping") is not usually well received. If you cannot come to an agreement with the deleting admin, the next step should be Deletion review, but that should not be tried until a full discussion with the deleting admin has taken place, or the admin has absolutely refused to restore the text in any way, or has been unresponsive for a significant period of time. It is also true that some admins will put paid editors lower on their priority list for assistance than they will volunteers.

Please understand that someone who expects or even hopes to be paid for editing is just as much a paid editor here as someone who is paid in advance, or is on salary, and you must disclose your paid status before making any further edits on behalf of clients/employers. Failure to do so will lead to your being blocked from editing. While I am somewhat more sympathetic to those paid editors who comply with the current rules than some other admins are, I am not actually in favor of paid editing, and i will block undisclosed paid editors freely. I see that you have now made a general disclosure. Remember to add specific articles/drafts to that disclosure as you create/edit them for pay.

I briefly reviewed the deleted text of Suzann Christine and Damon Allen Jr. Both were, in my view, significantly promotional. I might not have done a speedy deletion on either had I been the admin to review them, but I would at least have moved them to draft or user space, and issued a warning. Such language as passion, To Exercise her activism, and openly express her talent and ability is promotional and should not be used. When a quote is used, it must not only be supported by a citation, but be attributed to its source in the article text, not just in a footnote. Quotes such as Always singing, since the age of 5, she loaned her voice to the church and talent shows but she didn't think about turning her passion into a career. carry a strong point-of-view, and are usually best avoided, even if they are accurate quotes. That factual information can be conveyed by such wording as Her work was favorably reviewed by "Geo" of the Philly Music project (followed by the citation). Note also that a ststement such as She has performed at many events, most notably the N2N Festival that featured a tribute to The Artist Formally Known As Prince. could be read as a form of name-dropping. The tribute to Prince does not make Suzann Christine more notable, but may seem to do so. Even if accurate, such statements should be avoided.

I urge you, if you want to proceed with these articles, to recreate them in draft or user space, doing your best to stick strictly to the facts, without judgments or spin, and submit them for review thru articles for creation, as Kudpung advised. Avoid adjectives of judgement and opinions except in attributed and cited direct quotes.

I hope this is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:34, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel (talk · contribs) So very helpful. I appreciate your insight and direction very much. I will take the advice to first edit in draft or userspace and then submit for review through articles for creation, as Kudpung advised. Whitevwins (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much, DESiegel!

I have submitted the following links: External Links

• Bulleted list item

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/local-businesses-feed-families-in-need-with-days-of-pizza/article_29e5800c-3f0c-5f08-990f-bf9902bc78b0.html

• Bulleted list item

http://www.blackhillsfox.com/content/news/12-Days-of-Pizza-helps-48-families-this-year-408093315.html

• Bulleted list item

http://www.bhpioneer.com/deadwood/days-of-pizza-take/article_efc1a0a6-cd10-11e6-be88-5b5d3a67ae28.html

• Bulleted list item

http://www.bhpioneer.com/local_news/days-of-pizza-takes-a-bite-out-of-hunger/article_72ef5156-ecb6-11e7-89b7-ff72578868d1.html

• Bulleted list item

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/gooddeeds/our-good-deeds-days-of-pizza-program-takes-slice-out/article_27c79145-c3f7-5ba3-9a0f-bbd4ce639a0f.html

I hope this meets with your approval. If not, I will be happy to modify as instructed.

I VERY much appreciate your help. Thanks again.

Jkcproject (talk) 13:49, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice you gave me regarding the page I'm writing on the artist from Palestine. I'm new to Wikipedia and I admit that I feel like I'm in a maze. I want to follow the Wikipedia guidelines to a "t" and I want to be an effective and productive contributor. Am I free to contact you with questions as I work towards getting the page ready for approval, or should I always go directly to the Tea House?

George David NH (talk) 02:55, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, George David NH, and I am very glad to have been helpful. Do feel free to reach out to me with questions at qany time. However, I am not on Wikipedia all the time, and may go for several days without logging in, depending on what is happening in my non-Wikipedia life. If you want a prompter response, posting at the Teahouse is not a bad idea. Several other regular volunteers there are skilled and helpful.

You may always get my attention by posting here on my talk page. Or you may ping me by placing the code {{ping|DESiegel}} or {{u|DESiegel}} on any talk page where you want my attention, as part of a new signed comment. Note that without the signature, the software does not notify me.

Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and practices are complex. Each of them exists for a reason, often a good reason. But no one should act harshly towards a new editor who is trying in good faith to act properly. (Some may, but no one should.) Keep your mind firmly on a few key policies: verifibility and the need to cite sources to support most factual statements; notability, the need to only include articles about notable topics; the Neutral point of view and the need to neither praise nor disparage any person, subject, or concept in Wikipedia's voice, but to keep articles factual; What Wikipedia is not, the need not to include inappropriate content, the Biographies of living People policy, the need to be extra careful when writing about currently living people. Stick firmly to these and the rest more or less follows. It is no accident that these basic policies overlap and reinforce each other.

Do you have any current questions or issues you would like help with? In any case, I wish you happy and productive editing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:57, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Can you help me? I'm struggling with the Wikipedia page I've been trying to create. It should be in draft mode but it's live. I don't know how to do my references and I reached out for help on a thread here and got dumped on. Can you look at the page, give me your advice and help me get it back to draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 21:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DESiegel, you just deleated my draft because "it violates Copyrights"? Please help, those were references, no? Re: Remix Awards (This submission appears to be taken from http://www.youredm.com/2017/02/19/check-nominees-2017-remix-awards/, http://dancingastronaut.com/2017/02/2017-remix-awards-announce-nominees-mmw-event/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimBello (talk • contribs) 14:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, TimBello. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. The draft did register very high on our cpyright violation detection tools, but on a closer look that was because the lists of nominees were, of course, te same in the draft and in the sources. Tis is one of the very few cases where such close identity between a Wikipedia page and a source page is acceptable, where the content is basically a list of facts presented in their natural order, with no creative selection. In this case, i should not have deleted it, and Shadowowl should not have tagged it as a copyvio. We ll make mistakes.

Accordingly, i have restored Draft:Remix Awards. However, we do already have an article Remix awards, and it might be better to work on that. We don't normally have two different articles on the same topic, so unless your draft is intended as a total replacement, it will be a waste of effort. (No we don't either.)

A couple of procedural points. Please sign posts on talk and discussion pages, with four tildes (~~~~). Please add new posts to the bottom of my talk page (not the top) or use the "New section" button, which may show up as a plus sign. Most user talk pages have new posts added at the bottom. Happy editing, and feel free to ask for help or advice. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DESiegel. I see you have declined my G11 tagging on User:Attunement/Marvin_Bressler. However, it contains promotional sentences like renowned educator and scholar, He was a leading figure, It was this intellectual concern that fueled Bressler's research. How is this not G11? Regards, -- » Shadowowl | talk 15:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shadowowl, Please note that WP:CSD#G11 says This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with Wikipedia:NOTFORPROMOTION. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. A page that is largely factual with some promotional phrases and some puffery needs to be edited to comply, not deleted, and is not a G11 candidate. Moreover, user pages, which are not indexed by search engines and may be works in progress to an even greater degree than articles are, should be given somewhat more leeway on this point than articles are. This was well outside the parameters of a G11 speedy. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks for explaining. -- » Shadowowl | talk 18:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Although I would not agree with your assessment of the page, I'm happy to userfy it, but I am not sure that you have been clear enough with this user that he should not edit the page himself, regardless of whether he has declared a COI. I'll put it at User:DESiegel/Kentucky Today, okay? Deb (talk) 19:48, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Deb. I have not been clear about that because I do not agree that any such restriction is required in this case. I will post a connected contributor template, however, after I move it to Draft space. (by the way, the editor has not apparently declared a gender, but has mentioned the name "Robin" which surely could be female.) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:58, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...or male :-) Well, if they carry on posting with that username, they'll get blocked regardless of whether they've declared an interest. I was on the verge of blocking them myself if you hadn't volunteered to work on the article. Deb (talk) 07:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I was reading your user page (because somebody has to make sure they go to use), whereupon I noticed your typo section. I was curious as to whether your typo of Wikipedia in that section was intentional or exactly the sort of thing you were referring to. (For the record, I found it quite funny either way). —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 00:58, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,, Compassionate727. No, I did not leave any errors on the page intentionally, and now that you have called my attention to one, I will fix it. That section has been unchanged for quite a few years, now. These days I have spell-check in the browser edit window, so things are better, but I still make typos when i am not careful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:42, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear DESiegel, You mentioned you would look into Khaled Malas tagging for notability/promotional. The talk page attempts to address this but has been ignored by the tagger. What can one do? I have tried to do as you suggested and added further citations. Thank you! Coneyislandbaby lou (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Coneyislandbaby lou, I have started a discussion at Talk:Khaled Malas, the proper place to discuss the issue. Please join that discussion. I have also been improving the bibliographic metadata in the citations on Khaled Malas, which will make it easier to see how good the evidence for nhotability is. If you add furhter citations, please provide as compelte data as possible, not just a URL. Thank you. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:59, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU!Coneyislandbaby lou (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping with my duplicate article merge!

SaturdayLibrarian (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sir, You deleted a Wikipedia article about The Bosman Twins. I asked that the article be considered for reinstatement, however, you declined due to the bad behavior of the originator. That is an unfortunate occurrence and should have no reflection on The Bosman Twins or any future submissions. At this point, I am asking you to PLEASE email copy of the original article to me as a courtesy. An email directly to <redacted> will work just fine. I already tried to enable "email this user" and was unsuccessful. As I have said, I am not a sophisticated user of this very difficult Wikipedia widget. Simply put, I couldn't figure out how to do it. I hope this communication reaches you, and that you respond, excusing my ignorance. Thank you PR1775. Pr1775 (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pr1775, To enable the "Email this user" function, go to Special:Preferences. Scroll down to the Email options section. Fill in your email address at "Email (optional)*". Check the box marked "Allow other users to email me". You may wish to check one or mote of the other boxes as well. Then click the "Save" Button.

I did not not delete The Bosman Twins. That was done by pacemanSpiff. You asked a Teahouse question about it, now archived at [1] You were advised to ask at WP:REFUND or to start over. Someone editing while not logged in, perhaps you, did that, now archived at [2]. The response was that deletions for block violations would not be routinely restored. You asked again at the Teahouse on March 11, and i responded, offering to email a copy. I will now do so.

I caution you that you should not simply recreate the article using the text I am about to send you. That would violate he copyright of the blocked user and of any other users who contributed to it. Instead, please use this as a basis to rewrite the article in fresh words. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:17, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Siegel,

Thanks for your insight on the Lapin issue. I apologize for misunderstanding the disclosure protocol and did not intentionally seek to mislead readers/contributors. My understanding is that you have found some problems with the content in question. Is it fair to presume that I am free to make suggestions and/or request an edit with the proper disclosures and edit summary?

Your continued cooperation is greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Aharonovlaw (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)Eyal[reply]

Hello, Aharonovlaw. Once you have made the disclosure you are free to post on Talk:Nicole Lapin (or any other article talk page) with suggestions, inducing suggested sources, suggested edits, and reasons why you think particular edits should or should not be made, or particular content should or should not be in the article. To call attention to a request for a specific edit, crease a new section on the page, describe your requested edit as exactly as possible, including reliable sources which support it, and place {{Request edit}} below the description. This will add the request to a list monitored by several experienced editors. Detailed instructions may be found at Template:Request edit. Other suggestions ca just be made on the article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh to answer your other question, Aharonovlaw, the problems that I found were that the sourcing may not be sufficient to support the addition of he controversy section, and that laoin's quoted response is not currently cited to any source at all. If you have a source for that quote it would be helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Can you help me? I'm struggling with the Wikipedia page I've been trying to create. It should be in draft mode but it's live. I don't know how to do my references and I reached out for help on a thread here and got dumped on. Can you look at the page, give me your advice and help me get it back to draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 21:27, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, George David NH. I have moved Judith Weinshall Liberman to Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman, as you seemed to feel that it was not ready for the main article space, and I agree. I will give more extensive advice on citing sources later, in the meantime please read Referencing for Beginners. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. Once again, thank you for your input and advice. I'm reading the Ref for Beginners tonight and taking notes. I appreciate your willingness to help. Once I figure this out I should have an easier time if I write another page. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 01:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 00:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad to do what I can, George David NH.I am sorry not to be of more help. I see you suggested a physical meeting with another Wikipedian. I am not geographically close enough to you to do that, but perhaps we could meet by telephone some evening? (I am on US Eastern time.)

I have made a few small edits to Draft:Judith Weinshall Liberman. Have a look at them as examples, and note the individual summaries on the individual edits in the history.

Here are a few specific pieces of advice:

• Note that external links should not be used in the body of an article or draft, except as part of a source citation. (Those are links to sites outside of Wikipedia. If a person or topic is mentioned that already has an article on Wikipedia, do link to that article (as i just did to the one about Wikipedia). A few links may be placed in an "External links" section. These should usually not be commercial sites, and should be there to inform the reader, not to drive traffic to he sites. see WP:EL for more detailed guidance.
• On referencing, the most vital part is to select good, reliable sources. A perfectly formatted citation of an unreliable source is worthless, while a bare URL ging to a good soure can fairly easily be fixed.
• Note that sites consisting entirely or significantly of user-generated content with no oversight, like Geni.com or IMDB.com, are generally not considered reliable.
• A citation, using the foot note method, should consist of a <ref>tag, followed by the content of the citation, followed by a </ref> tag. The content should consist of bibliographic data identifying the source, or a URL that links to it (if it is online, or ideally both. The desired bibliographic data are the title of the article, the title or name of the containing work, the name of the author (if available), the page number (if applicable), the date of publication (if available), the publisher (if available and helpful, it adds nothing to say that The New York Times is published by the New York Times Co), the ISBN and/or OCLC number for books, and he volume and issue for magazines and journals that use them. Not all of these are needed on any one citation.
• Citations can be formatted using Citation templates but this is not required. I generally prefer using them, myself.

I hope that list is helpful -- what specific issues are you currently stuck on? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look at Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston, George David NH. I don't see any listed in NH. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 04:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning, David. Your help is very much appreciated as I'm actually losing sleep over this page I'm creating. Funny thing is, I write tech manuals and edit college thesis papers for a living and I still can't figure out the Wiki rules. Thanks for offering a phone consultation — I'll take you up on that if you meant it. Maybe we could look at my page at the same time and you can walk me through some things I need to change or reformat. I would pay you via PayPal if you have a PayPal account. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC) Also, one of my main concerns is that I'm not sure how to save my draft while it's in the editing process. I don't want to lose my work before it's ready to go live. Can you tell me how to save my draft as I go? GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 13:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't lose sleep, George David NH. Please remember that there is no deadline. I did mean it, although we will need to find a time that works for both of us. I am actually at an editathon this morning.

I do not accept money for Wikipedia editing or advice, and anyone who asks for money for that is probably a scammer. I am most likely to be available in the evenings, say starting at 7-9 pm. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As to saving a draft, just save each edit with the "publish changes" button. That prevents work from being lost, but does not move the draft to the main article space. Be sure that the page name startts with "Draft:"More to come. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:48, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're kind of becoming my Wikipedia hero! Could we talk tonight (Friday), tomorrow or tomorrow night? I'll have a list of questions at hand so I don't waste your time. Also, I've noticed that when I've hit "publish changes" its posted the page online. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

George David NH "publish changes" does indeed save the changes to the Wikipedia site, where they are available to anyone online. But if the page is "in the draft namespace" (which simply means the page name starts with "draft") it is not considered "live", search engines do not index it, and it does not show up on default searcher from within Wikipedia, although it can be found if one knows how to look. I'll get back to you on my availability tonight. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:33, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My wife informs me that I will not be home this evening (Fri) as I'm supposed to help her friend move into her new condo. Could we chat on the phone sometime tomorrow or Sunday? — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 19:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel Hi David. I'll be around all this weekend if you find time to chat on the phone. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, George David NH. 2-4 pm start time today (Sunday)? See your email for contact info. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 11:59, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for everything, David.

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		message George David NH (talk) 00:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David.

When you get a minute can you take a look at this page and let me know what you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Holocaust_Wall_Hangings

Do you think if I make your editing recommendations I could publish it tomorrow and see how it goes?

Thanks! GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• First of all, George David NH, i see that there is a problem at File:The Yellow Star.jpg, the image you uploaded for the draft. Eaxactly what did the artist say about permission when she sent it to youyou ; what emai, address sid you send permisison ino to here at Wikipedia, and when did you send it? Can you forward me a copy of the email that you sent, plesae?
• Also,don't say Evidence: Will be provided on request, instead describe the exact terms under which it ahs been released. If a named license has been used, give the name of that license. Also, include a statement that release info has been sent to Wikimedia and when. More to follow on the draft itself. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Next, George David NH, there should be page numbers for the cites to the book Holocaust Wall Hangings. If they are all to the same page or range of pages, put them in the cite with |page= or |pages=. If they are to different pages, use {{rp}} just after the closing of the <ref>...</ref> (or <ref/>) tag. Notice that I have removed the duplicate citation details. That is what named references are for. Read the linked section please. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I forwarded two emails to you — they're the ones I sent to Wikipedia regarding the photos. Dave, I've never worked so hard on anything in my life. Ha!

Good, George David NH. Note the changes I made at File:The_Yellow_Star.jpg and make similar ones at all other images you have uploaded based on the same grant of permission. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:34, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me how to get to the pages for Hands Up and the Anne Frank photos so I can make the changes like those you made to Yellow Star? — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 22:41, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be File:Hands Up from the Holocaust Wall Hangings Collection.jpg and File:Anne Frank's Hiding Place from the Holocaust Wall Hangings Collection.jpg, George David NH. You can find such things in the list of your contributions. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:56, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK - got it. I made those edits for Hands Up jpg and Anne Frank jpg. Hope I got it right

Yes the edits look good, George David NH. I gave the wrong link above for Hnds up, a copy & npaste error, no fixed but you found the right page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:20, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I redid the cites to the artist's 2002 book using {{rp}} so that it does not appear in the Notes multiple times, but still shows the relevant page number references. Were you going to do a "Critical reactions" section for reviews of the work, George David NH? If that can be added i think this is ready for mainspace. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I know I tell you this all the time, but I really appreciate you and I could not become a Wikipedia writer without you.

you would manage, George David NH, but I hope I make it easier. Please don't forget to sign each and every talk page comment with four tildes (~~~~). DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:29, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 23:34, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I put critical reaction content under "Reception and Exhibitions" by mentioning the NY Times and NBC, etc. But I can change it to "Exhibitions" followed by "Critical Reactions" and mention the NY times and others with some quotes from those who wrote the articles. Would that be better? GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 23:38, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I like to separate critiques/reviews out, but there is no rule requiring that, George David NH. I think it is clearer to the reader. I missed that those had been included. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to take the advice of my mentor and separate the two. Once this is ready to publish, how do I move it out of draft? GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 23:52, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is easy, George David NH. You use the move function. (follow the link for more details.) Under the Page menu, (in most configurations) you should find a link "Move Page". Click this, and select (article) in the left-hand box. Leave the actual title unchanged. Click the blue Move Page button near the bottom. That will do it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:13, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I separated Exhibitions and Critical Responses. If you like the change then I think we're good to go. Please advise if you think it's still a good time to go to main space and how I should go about moving it from draft to main space. GeorgeGeorge David NH (talk) 01:06, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are good to go. See directions for moving above. I think this is a good article (although a ways from a Good Article). DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Thanks, Jedi Master George David NH (talk) 01:12, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments-and-resignations/administrator-of-the-agricultural-research-service-who-is-chavonda-jacobs-young-141101?news=854693 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pearlsa110 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please add the following to the ARS Wikipedia page?

ARS' largest research center -- also considered to be the largest agricultural research complex in the world -- is the Henry A. Wallace Beltsville Agricultural Research Center in Maryland.

http://web.centralmarylandchamber.org/Government-Agencies/Beltsville-Agricultural-Research-Center-1683

Pearlsa110 (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, just curious if you were still planning to come back around to the Broadridge discussion. I really appreciated your participation in both sections, and am hopeful you can help find a compromise with these requests. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not see that Gryffindor just gave up the mop for doing what you've done: using tools to override protection to establish your preferred outcome? I understand that essays don't need consensus but I think you have erred in your belief about an outcome at MfD. I've tried to seek a Pareto-optimal outcome and your blind insistence will have repercussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chris troutman, The page was, and is, move protected to require extended confirmed access for moves. That means that any extended-confirmed user was free to move as a normal editorial action. no use of admin tools was required. The logged reason for protection was an attraction to socks. I am not a sock. I did not change the protection level, or in any other way use admin tools. There was no community consensus not to move the page.

If you think that this should be deleted at an MfD, and that consensus to delete will be found, go ahead. I don;'t think such a deletion would be proper, nor supported by the deletion policy, but it might be that the community will disagree. Or feel free to start an RfC or some other community discussion on what place such a page should have on the project. My move violated no policy as far as i can see -- I reverted an editorial action that I disagreed with, transparently giving my reasons and inviting discussion. i have no intention of move warring if anyone moves this back, or moves it further. If you really think that I have violated some policy on admin actions, I am sure you know what to do. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:57, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you understand that essays don't need consensus, Chris troutman, then why did you write Why did you move this essay? I don't think you have consensus to move this screed into WP namespace. and then respond to Is consensus required? by writing It is. Or have you changed your view? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct in that regard, so I struck that portion. I stand by my opposition to that essay. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are lots of essays I oppose, Chris troutman, starting with WP:DENY, WP:DTTR, and WP:TNT. The usual way to indicate opposition is to make countervailing arguments on the essay's talk page, or to start a countervailing essay with what you think are superior arguments. I'd be happy to see your arguments agaisnt the points made in this essay. Such opposition isn't, in my view, a reason to delete the essay nor to move it out of project space. Not all essays persuade many people here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:13, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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David, it looks like I maybe wasted your time re that potential copyright violation. Very many apologies. I've learned a valuable lesson re "backward copying". Allan Mungall (talk) 18:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DESiegel, sorry, but I asked for help more than one month ago. Unfortunatelly, I couldn't watch my Wikipeda page in the last month, because of personal reason. Today I saw, you left me a message in Teahouse about my request, regarding with 'Mojo WorKings draft page'. I couldn't find this message. Would you mind, please, send me a new one, if it is possible, I can receive it in my e-mail address: <redacted> Thanks in advance, Karcsúbey (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Karcsúbey, you can find your question and my answer at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 746#Draft: Mojo WorKings. The heart of my answer was Since the previous decline on 7 December 2017, you added one word to the text, and one general reference to the draft ( http://www.bluesvan.hu/index.php?q=mojo+workings&s=keres%E9s) which was not used to support any specific statement in the draft. ... There are many statements in the draft not currently supported by inline citations. You need to support at least some of these, and cite additional published independent reliable sources that discuss this band in some depth, say several paragraphs each or more, for the draft to be accepted. I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

	Thanks
	Thanks for your review but as i mentioned before, it has nothing to do with promotion. Every website is doing something, even if it is a topmost news site. But yes, thanks for your advice. I will work on it. Rahulbtrivedi (talk) 21:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DESiegel, I changed the infobox to delete 'Cuban-American' and just put in 'Cuban'.

But which section title did you mean? A lot have been removed by other editors.

Other editors have played havoc, and I can't keep up with their suggestions -- one editor removed the one reference that I had in 'Notes and References' forcing me to halt all further edits of my own until I search their links. I didn't copy the reference, so now what do I do? That one reference was there before I started editing!

One editor said that "Biography: Wikipedia cannot reference itself". (I left a note on his talk page.) Another editor said 'Fix & format refs, move singel list-defined ref to inline ref' -- I guess this was the one that removed the one reference from "Notes and References", but it still shows up as [1] on the text page. (I guess I have to send him a note, too, on his talk page.)

I left a note at the top of the page asking everyone to please stop editing until I'm done -- I hope this is okay! Leandro Soto Ortiz

This is one of the hardest things I have ever done, and I'm getting mighty discouraged!

Lauraj210 (talk) 21:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Lauraj210. I am sorry that you are finding things frustrating. Please remember that all the changes and previous versions are saved in the article history, so you can always look at what was present in any previous version. If you look at the history (usually on a "view history" menu) you will see a list of every change that was made, the edit summary that the editor left, and the timestamp, and some other information. If you click the "prev' link, you will see the changes made by that edit, which will help you understand what was meant by a given edit summery. For example, i made this edit yesterday. I commented out the unsupported parameter "ethnicity" in the info box, and changed the section header "Selected Pubications" to "Selected publications" fixing capitalization and spelling. this edit is the one that moved the list-defined ref to the body of the article. As you can see, The cite to http://proust.library.miami.edu/findingaids/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=103 is still in place, although differently formatted.

The edit summarized as "Biography: Wikipedia cannot reference itself" was this. "Biography" here refers to our policy on the biographies of living people which imposes stricter rules than other sorts of articles, to protect people from possible defamation and unsourced statements. It is also the rule at Wikipedia that Wikipedia articles may never be used as sources

The way we generally ask others to hold off editing for a bit is with {{inuse}}. I have replaced your informal msg with this.

Note that in general anyone is free to edit any article at any time. But a polite request to hold off is usually honored for a few hours.

To be honest, this article has not had a large number of edits, many are far more active.

I hope this is helpful. Do feel free to leave me a message here at any time, and i will respond as soon as i can. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello DESiegel, I noticed the {{inuse}} -- thank you! I need a little more time than a few hours -- maybe by tomorrow. (Time is well passed for dinner!) I notice that {{Under construction}} invites others to assist...well, it is what it is! When I get back to work on it tomorrow, I'll replace it with {{inuse}} again, right?

I looked at the history page, but I found the 'prev' confusing...but less so now. I must be getting used to Wikipedia.

I'm now working on Selected solo exhibitions, which was taken out due to a lack of links. In one case, there was no link, so I have added a footnote (which is a duplication of a previous footnote (I used <ref name="name" /> for the second.) Cuba is very behind on internet access. When I get to the Selected group exhibitions, even where there are links, can I still put some footnotes in as well?

When you get a minute, would you check that I'm doing everything correctly? Lauraj210 (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lauraj210, It is looking significantly better, although work is still needed.

• One point, there should not be a link to a web site outside Wikipedia in the body of the article, except as part of a citation (footnote). Those are known as "external links" and should be placed solely in the "External links" section, and then sparingly. (The "website" line in an infobox is an exception, but only for one site.) Using a citation for each fact stated is the preferred way to support stated facts. It should be done whether or not there is a link to another Wikipedia page (known as a "wiki-link") in the statement. Such a link is in no way required.
• Secondly, sources need not be online to be cited. For example, to cite a newspaper that does not have an online edition, simply give the title of the story, the name of the newspaper, the date and page of publication, and the author/byline if stated. If the paper is not well known, the publisher and place of publication can be useful as well. The template {{cite news}} can be used for this purpose. To cite a printed book, use {{cite book}}, providing the title, author, publisher, year of publication, the relevant page or pages, and the ISBN if available. (Or the same info can be provided manually, not using cite book.) There is also {{cite magazine}} and {{cite journal}}, {{cite web}} for online sources that are neither books nor news, and several others. See Wikipedia:Citation templates and Referencing for Beginners. The basic idea is to give enough info that a reader could, with some effort, find the source in a library or bookstore, and can make some judgement of the source's reliability even without finding the source.
• Note that a citation should not be just a link to a site about an institution or person. It should be to a reliable source that supports the statement in the article.
• To mention and link to a template without using it, Template:Tl, which I used several times above, is very helpful. (Note that it gives a link to the template page, where the parameters for the template are normally documented.)
• To display a piece of wiki code rather than using it, put it inside a <nowiki>...</nowiki> construct. You cna optionaly put that inside a <code>...</code> construct to highlight that it is wiki-code.
• Yes, when you are done actively editing, please replace {{inuse}} with {{under construction}}, and reverse this when ready to resume.
• Using "named references" (the <ref name="name" /> construct) is exactly the correct way to repeat a footnote. Thank you for using them properly.

I hope this is helpful. Feel free to ask further questions on this talk page, or to ping me on another talk page. I will respond when i can. Or feel free to ask at the Teahouse. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, DESiegel, I wasn't able to work on the Leandro Soto Ortiz page yesterday... I prefer to talk to you, as you have been so helpful, going forward, if that's okay?

Regarding your first point: Got it! So the only one that has an internal link is Museo Nacional de Bellas Artes, and the rest are unlinked, right? Should I make reference to Big Orbit Gallery and Galeria Nine Menocal in the reference section, or is that unnecessary? I notice that other Cuban artists have linked to the city, so I did that for those two, but I have a feeling you'd prefer if I took them out. I also have noticed in other Cuban artist pages, there are ONLY links to the institutions in solo and group shows, and collections. (Adriano Buergo, Luis Enrique Camejo, to name two. Carlos Enrique Prado Herrera didn't use any links at all.) Theroadislong deleted four sections (Solo shows, Group shows, Awards and Collections) because they were unsourced. Confusion here, as I had already spent half a day finding Wiki-links for the Collections (and some external links, which I will eventually delete)...

I have been using the templates for {{cite book}}, {{cite journal}}, and in one case (Blanc Giulio) there is no online reference, but I think I have it covered okay.

I have copied the 'link without using it' and '<nowiki>' (you see I have used it already) in my growing personal Wikipedia file...

I put some Wiki-links into the bio -- I think I've done it correctly.

Regards, Lauraj210 (talk) 00:32, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, Lauraj210. Several points:

• First of all, There is no deadline. Edit when you cna, don't worry about your schedule for editing. You made no promise of when any given edit would be done.
• The lesson from the deletions by Theroadislong is that sources are vital. That is true whether there is or is not a wiki-link. The source for each exhibition should be one that indicates that the exhibition took place, and that Ortiz participated. It should also confirm the date, if possible. Above all it must be reliable. Find and insert sources before worrying about possible wiki-links or external links. There is no need to cite a source merely to show that a particular gallery exists, but if we have a Wikipedia page about the gallery (or other exhibit venue) it can be wiki-linked. But such a link is in no way a substitute for a source showing that the particular exhibition occurred.
• Wiki links are put in to provide context and to lead the reader to relevant further information. Just what should be linked is a matter of judgement, there is no hard and fast rule. See MOS:OVERLINK for some suggestions on what should not be linked.
• Sources do NOT need to be online, provided that they are published, and that a reader could verify them, posisbly only after taking some trouble and spending some money.
• In this edit I changed a link that went to a disambiguation page Installation to one that went to Installation art using a Piped link. This is how to make a wiki-link when the title of the page is not the desired link text. It is done often on Wikipedia.

I hope these points are helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lauraj210, I visited the articles you linked to above, Adriano Buergo, Luis Enrique Camejo, and Carlos Enrique Prado Herrera. In each case there is a serious lack of cited sources. In each case I have added tags pointing this out. The last one may be deleted unless at least one source is added to the article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:06, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DESiegel, Thanks for the links. I removed the 'performance' link -- everyone knows what that is...but thanks for the piped link. I read the article and I can see that it would be very helpful.

I hope that [[Carlos Enrique Prado Herrera]] will be notified by email, so that he can copy his page before it's deleted, if he doesn't have time to make references right now? I would hate to think of him losing all that information!

Good night, Lauraj210 (talk) 03:42, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lauraj210, on the Carlos Enrique Prado Herrera article, no one is ever notified by email of on-wiki actions, unless that person has a Wikipedia account, and has set up automatic notifications for certain kinds of actions. For example, i receive emails when anyone (other than myself) posts to my user talk page. That article was created and largely edited by Herosfanes, who was notified on his or her user talk page. All that is needed to prevent he proposed deletion is for anyone to add a single citation to a reliable source to the article that supports any one fact there. Any editor may do this. (I see that since yesterday some nine citations have been added.) Also, on Wikipedia, "deletion" does not actually erase an article, it merely hide it so that only admins can see it. If an article is removed through proposed deletion, anyone can later request it to be undeleted at WP:REFUND. Even when an article cannot be undeleted, an editor can request a copy of the text by email, and it will usually be provided. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:04, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On another point, please be careful with nowiki tags. If the matching /nowiki tag is not provided, any wiki markup on the rest of the page is ignored, which can significantly change the look of the page. One way to mention such a tag is by using the template {{tag}}. This produces output such as <nowiki>...</nowiki>. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:04, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DESiegel, Thanks for the thanks on Selected group exhibitions! And good, I'm glad that [[Carlos Enrique Prado Herrera]]'s editor added references (I spent a half hour trying to figure it out, before I noticed the heading above...)

Is reference #1 okay, or should I take it out altogether, and just leave it in External links? This was already in the body of the text before I started editing...

I added four more solo shows. I can't find a reference for the Vienna show, and the Big Orbit Gallery's archives don't go back that far. Can I still leave at least the Vienna one in, if not the other one?

In Further reading: Marelys Valencia -- the synopsis is in English, but the article itself is in Spanish. When I typed in the ISBN, the doi/tr. was automatically generated. Only one language is allowed, so I think I should take out language=en and replace it with language=es -- what do you think? (I think I leave the doi/tr., right?)

I noticed in one of the artist's pages that the references had two categories: References and Further reading. I'd like to do that too, to make the page neater. Is it as easy as making two level 3 headings? I realize I have to anchor the references...I will re-read that section to make sure I don't lose them.

What's necessary for Collections? I looked up more than forty artists, and of all those who had Collections listed, not one of them had any footnotes. At this point, with all the other footnotes, Leandro is not being fraudulent to say that he is collected among these institutions. I don't know what could be added -- except the contracts! (And I understand that external links are not allowed...) But I don't want [[Theroadislong]] to object once again.

You've been very patient with me for asking so many questions! Lauraj210 (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again Lauraj210 I am pleased to help when i can. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I Have separated this section of my talk page into subsections, as it was getting a bit long. To respond to your various points, not in order:

• The current ref #1 in the article, the "Guide to the Leandro Soto papers", looks like a perfectly acceptable source to me, and the "biographical note" does indeed support several statements in the article. No problem there that I can see.
• It is more usual to put "Further reading" into a second-level section of its own, but it could be put into a third-level section paralleling the "notes and references" section. Or if you intend that facts from items in the further reading section should be used to support the article as a whole, although not specified statements, the section should be titled 'General references" instead, and should definitely be 3d-level section under the same 2n-level heading as the noted, which are displayed wherever the {{reflist}} template is placed.

• The distinction is that Notes or References support specific facts in the article, while "General references" were consulted and used to help build the article, but ae no being indicated as supporting specific facts. "Further reading" indicates sources that a reader might usefully consult, but which were not used in writing the article, or not much. Any given source will normally appear in only one of these.

• Yes, just changing or adding the section heading makes a section into a different level.
• Yes, the Marelys Valencia source should use |language=es in my view. It lets people know that the major info there is in Spanish. It is a somewhat odd situation for the abstract to be in a different language from the main article, and I don't know of a way to fully indicate this.
• There is no special or specific rule for "Collections". The general rule is that any fact in an article must be verifiable, and that any controversial or negative fact about a living person must be directly supported by a cited source. So must any direct quotation. Any uncited fact about a living person may be challenged, and then must be cited or removed. However, when many facts are already supported by citations, it is less likely that others of a similar type would be challenged. I think you may leave all the collection items in the article until and unless someone does challenge them. Do remember that offline sources are acceptable.

I hope this is again helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've thrown in a couple more alts.©Geni (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've approved them. Looks good, Geni. Thanks. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:35, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think I may have accidentally submitted the contents of my sandbox for your review. (I briefly so a notification about it, but now I can find it.) If so, please disregard it. Apologies for the inconvenience and thanks for your patience. DrLuthersAssistant (talk) 20:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DrLuthersAssistant. Your sandbox is not currently submitted for formal review (under WP:AFC), and as far as I can see never has been. You did at on4e point ask me to briefly look and comment, but that is quite different. It does look to me like a rather though outline and plan for a replacement article. Good luck. Feel fre to ask any questions you might have, either here or at the Teahouse. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I received this message on Wikipedia last night regarding a photo upload to the Holocaust Wall Hangings page. Please let me know if I should solve this issue by sending the email correspondence from Weinshall Liberman to: permissions-en@wikimedia.org Will this solve the issue? George David NH (talk) 14:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File permission problem with File:Anne Frank's Hiding Place from the Holocaust Wall Hangings Collection.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:Anne Frank's Hiding Place from the Holocaust Wall Hangings Collection.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

If you are the copyright holder for this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either

make a note permitting reuse under the CC-BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter here. If you take this step, add {{OTRS pending}} to the file description page to prevent premature deletion. If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:File copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Wikipedia:File copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described in section F11 of the criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by George David NH (talk • contribs) 10:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You expressed an interest in creating a page for me a while back and I was hoping you would still be interested. We just need a simple page so that Facebook won't flag us as fake news.

This is the text I posted on "requested articles" that can be used for your reference:

Kentucky Today (A daily online newspaper and news service based in Louisville, Ky. The newspaper contains original news, sports and feature stories in addition to news provided by the Associated Press. The Kentucky Today news service provides state and government news coverage, college sports and features to 18 local and regional newspapers throughout Kentucky (two sources listed below).

A recent story by Kentucky Today appeared in The Washington Times, Miami Herald, U.S. News & World Report and many other newspapers after being picked up by the Associated Press.

Kentucky Today was launched in November 2015 by the Kentucky Baptist Convention "to help provide Kentucky Baptists with news and perspective on the social issues of the day." The online newspaper free and only requires registration to comment on stories. Kentucky Today requests a brief article in Wikipedia similar to small print newspapers located nearby, such as The Oldham Era and The Kentucky Standard.)

(Sources= Kentucky Today website-- http://www.kentuckytoday.com

Examples of newspapers using Kentucky Today's news service-- "Advocate moving Accent, H&G content to A sections" https://www.amnews.com/2017/03/11/advocate-moving-accent-hg-content-to-a-sections/, "Sun partners with Kentucky Today for UK, state news" https://www.winchestersun.com/2017/03/10/sun-partners-with-kentucky-today-for-uk-state-news/

Washington Times reprints story-- https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/22/half-the-man-he-used-to-be-kentucky-pastor-drops-2/, U.S. News & World Report reprints story-- https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2018-04-22/half-the-man-he-used-to-be-kentucky-pastor-drops-240-pounds, Miami Herald reprints story-- http://www.miamiherald.com/news/article209578009.html,

Kentucky Today launch-- http://www.bpnews.net/45831/ky-baptists-elect-first-african-american-president

Examples of what we are looking for: The Oldham Era Wikipedia page-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oldham_Era, The Kentucky Standard Wikipedia page-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kentucky_Standard.)

I understand that I won't be able to edit, only suggest edits. But all we need is a page like any other news organization.

Thank you so much! CornetetR (talk) 16:34, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi David. I sent the Anne Frank's Hiding Place photo from the Holocaust Wall Hangings page, as well as some for the Judith Weinshall Liberman page I'll be working on, to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org.

On Sunday, I was told on my talk page by a Wiki admin that the Anne Frank photo was going to be removed in a week. So, I sent that photo and some others as attachments along with emails from Liberman confirming that we have permission to use them. Please confirm that I've taken the right steps to have the photo kept on the page. It's confusing. The photo aspect of Wikipedia is probably what I need the most help understanding at this point. George David NH (talk) 23:06, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

George David NH, I see that a copy is on commons, at File:Anne Frank's Hiding Place.jpg, as well as a copy at File:Anne Frank's Hiding Place from the Holocaust Wall Hangings Collection.jpg on en-Wikipedia. I would re-send copies of the permission email, which i think should be sufficient,m to both permissions-en@wikimedia.org and to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, and mention both file names in the email. In addition, I am pinging AntiCompositeNumber and Magog the Ogre to this discussion. While i know the general rules, I do not work with image copyrights all that much, and those editors can probably help us understand what is still lacking, if anything, to make the permission granted by the artist Liberman for that image properly clear. The emails you forwarded to me seemed sufficient, but there may have been some aspect lacking.

Eventually we will want to ahve only one copy of the image, preferably at commons. The article should probably be edited to make sure that the commons file name is used. Then deletion of the copy here on en will not matter.

I apologize for not having responded to your earlier message more promptly. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC) @AntiCompositeNumber: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, David. I will re-send the emails as you recommend. Please don't worry about promptness. I just appreciate the fact that I know I can count on you to get back to me and that you point me in the right direction. George David NH (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked, George David NH, and the article Holocaust Wall Hangings is already using the copy at commons, which seems to have a longer time limit to get permissions issues straight. The copy on en-Wikipedia now seems to be redundant in any case. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I should add, George David NH, that Holocaust Wall Hangings has now been approved as a Did You Know? item, and a link to it will appear on the main page of Wikipedia at some not yet determined future time. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:02, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, David. Not bad having an approved Did You Know? first time out the gate. I owe you one. George David NH (talk) 00:45, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I get a DYK credit when it runs, as nominator and co-author. Actually, George David NH, many decent new articles can qualify for DYK with a little extra work. The standards are significantly lower than for GA. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK - that makes sense. I'm starting to work on the Weinshall Liberman bio page soon so I'll be in touch. I'd like to eventually produce GA quality work. George David NH (talk) 01:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You declined speedy deletion of this article on grounds the AfD did not appear to be describing the recreated article - presumably, therefore, because G4 excludes "pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version". The editor who recreated it stated that they restored it from a mirror (albeit one 18 months old when the article was deleted) and I would urge you to look again at the deleted version because I believe it was still substantially identical (it was then at Jonathan Thompson; unlike you I cannot look at it but there's a contemporary mirror of it here).

If you still conclude it is ok, I guess that having been copied from a mirror it now falls foul of WP:RUD and instead the original page should be restored, or at least the histories should be merged, to sort out the attribution problem that now exists.

Dorsetonian (talk) 06:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the information, Dorsetonian, I will have to look into that further. Because of how the deletion and move of a dab page was handled, I was not easily able to see a copy of the version as it was when deleted by AfD, so my actual basis for declining the speedy is that the reasons stated in the AfD discussion do not apply to the version just created, which would mean that the versions were not "substantially identical". In general a new version that significantly addresses the reasons for deletion will not be deleted via G4. However, if this is taken directly from a mirror, unless it was edited in the process, that begins to look incorrect. I will look into this one furhter, but nor right now -- probably wihin the next 24 hours. i take your points about attribution. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 06:50, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! Dorsetonian (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Compare with [3] - the last diff before the AFD closure. It's a clear repost. Also, the rationale of the nominator shouldn't have any impact on whether a page meets G4 or not. SmartSE (talk) 08:05, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear DESiegel

The page I recently created—Root Insurance Company—was deleted for promotional content by you and then protected from future creation by another admin. I’m writing to find out how I can a) make the content less promotional and b) have it either created by an administrator or regain permissions to do it, myself.

Root Insurance is a notable organization, offering insurance based primarily on driving data collected from a smartphone; it’s important for the general public to be informed of the quickly progressing insurance market and tech world.

The article does not promote the business, but rather explains straightforwardly what the car insurance company is and how it differs from others within the market. I have revised wording that may have appeared promotional in my first upload and have backed up all statistics and quotes with reputable external citations. In fact, I’ve used already approved Wikipedia pages with similar content as a reference point. So, I’m very confused as to why it’s been deleted twice.

Are you able to provide specific feedback regarding areas within the article that appear promotional in nature so that I can adjust? Or can you point me in the direction where I can receive more feedback? (I’ve already read the pages on Wikipedia about promotional content and feel like I followed the rules). Also, how do revoke my loss of posting the site? Thank you for your assistance; I certainly wish to follow Wikipedia’s rules and structure.

Sincerely, Sara Starnes (talk) 13:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)Sara Starnes[reply]

Hello, Sara Starnes. In the most recently deleted version, such phrases as the nation’s first entirely mobile-based insurance carrier (cited to a press release) Root became the first insurance company in the nation to offer a rate reduction to Tesla drivers who use the AutoPilot feature. (also cited to a Press release) Root’s app was the first UBI tracking device that is automatically installed with the download of the app and doesn’t require an outside device to attach to the car (cited to a news story which reads like a redigested Press release), and instead of offering UBI discounts as an option after customers are already established,[12] Root uses UBI during the test drive to determine rates based primarily on driving behavior for every policy (sourced to the same news story) are all very promotional in tone, in my view. Much of the article red like a list of selling points or a company flyer, not a neutal fact-based article. Please read our guideline on promotion in articles.

Wikipedia articles should be based largely on independent published reliable sources. This does not include press releases or interviews with company employees, or "news stories" clearly derived largely from press releases with little or no independent verification or reporting. For there to be an article about a company, there must be multiple independent sources which discuss the company in depth -- see WP:CORPDEPTH and our guideline on the notability o companies. Note that on Wikipedia, notability is used in a special sense. It does not mean importance but rather the degree to which uninvolved third parties have taken note of a topic, generally by writing and publishing about it in reliable sources.

I do not know if you are employed by Root or are connected with Root in any way. If you are, you need to follow the directions at WP:COI for disclosing a conflict of interest, and if you are being or expect to be paid or compensated for editing about the company, you absolutely must follow the rules at WP:PAID. That is a very strictly enforced policy here.

If you think that a neutral, non-promotional version of an article about Root can be created, I strongly urge you to do it as a draft and obtain review before attempting to make the text into a live article. Since the article has been protected against re-creation, such a review will be required to get any article on the topic created. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some steps which, if followed, often produce good results:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of businesses. Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed.
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

       Thanks, DESiegel, for your thorough reply; I really appreciate it. I'll revamp the article and submit it as a draft.  

Sara Starnes (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, hope all is well, I'm the artist manager of Omar El Abd (omrr), Recently both articles were deleted, i would like to clarify that omrr is the stage name of Omar El Abd, they are the same person, i thought using the real name and referring to stage name is the best practice, Would appreciate it if you let me know how to improve /fix the issue. Thank you, have a great day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisemenandthepainters (talk • contribs) 07:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I responded at User talk:Wisemenandthepainters#Copyright and paid editing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:10, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I recently saw you adopted me. So what are you going to do and how will I do this? HorsesARENice^{Ride me to my talk page} 15:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well HorsesAreNice, you must first decide if you want me as a mentor or adopter.

• That means that you agree that you plan to stay active on Wikipedia for a while at least, that you agree to try to be the best editor you can, and to listen to and seriously consider any advice that I give you on how to act as a Wikipedia editor, even or perhaps especially if it is advice you don't want to hear at first.
• If you accept me, I will agree to take questions from you and to respond to them as promptly and helpfully as possible. I further agree to keep an eye on your edits, and if I see a problem, to let you know and advise you what to do or not to so as to avoid or reduce any possible problem. I agree to listen to you, and try to understand you point of view, and if possible, advocate for you if you are having a dispute on Wikipedia.
• I will give you the best honest advice I can in all such situations. I will try to have your best interest, as well as the good of the project, in mind in all our interactions. I will be not only civil but friendly, to the limit of my abilities, as the situation allows. But I will tell you the truth if I think you have done or are doing something unwise.
• You will agree to ask me questions if you are unsure in any given Wikipedia-related situation.
• Beyond that we can define the relationship as we please. We may or may not choose to work together on editing articles or other pages. If there is anything you particularly want from such a relationship, please mention it and we will see what we can work out.
• Of course, either of us can end the relationship at any time.

Are you interested in entering into such a relationship on those terms? You can read about me on my User page and you have no doubt seen me giving advice on he Teahouse, so you have some idea of what I am like in such a role. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]