User talk:Floquenbeam

MEH

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

July music

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story · music · places

The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. - Did you notice that the July was taken the day when you counted the places I saw that one day? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gerda. Just returned from a mini-vacation. Your choice of picture for July is appropriate; I was just noticing on the drive up and back from vacation that there are day lilies everywhere. Seems like much more than last year. Getting away was nice, but as always, coming back from a vacation sucks! Floquenbeam (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I uploaded a few more, and recent day lilies, but no comes end-of-term outing of my choir. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only on WP. I saw this, and my first gut reaction was "Gerda's choir got WP:OUTED??" Glad to realize you meant "outing" in the normal human way, not the Wikipedian way. Floquenbeam (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a word that is not ambiguous? It was a nice hike for those who like such things, showing new aspects (for me and most) of the area around our town, followed by sausages and salad buffed in the yard of our church, outside, all in pleasant weather which is rather rare this year. Pics to come, - for now I can offer the delicious yellow mushrooms which grow in unknown abundance - probably because of that weather. - Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia, (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making), - just click on music below the day lilies. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need for another word; the defect is in my brain. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Found a bit more. Today's story is about her, an outstanding violinist from Georgia, which is a sad story in the end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think about today's, first told last year, and now to match the TFA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice addition to match Offenbach! --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:56, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today I made an addition to a Mozart opera, as it is mentioned OTD, and told Dronebogus about it ;) - I saw the opera this year, at a theatre where a different opera by the same was premiered! ... and found a YT of the complete work staged in 1977 by Harry Kupfer at the Semperoper today!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. - One, ending with Mozart, was in Johannisberg, and afterwards to the place where we went together, moonlight ... - pics to come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a look at music (on my talk) shows remembrance of three people who died, and creating an article or improving one is all I can do. Three are on the Main page today, and three others planned ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Similarly: Wikipedia:Main Page history/2024 July 30b will have a baritone, a violinist, a composer and a Bach cantata, - almost too much, and the composer's article, Wolfgang Rihm, should be better, help wanted. - Plenty of music on my parents anniversary day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When is enough enough

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Circling back now that I've seen today's festival of fun-the GAR/teenage boy jokes, not the career edit warrior-and I hate that we have to clarify. Can @Bishzilla just eat the drama boards please? Nothing of value would be lost. Star Mississippi 23:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I forgot I posted! Both of those threads are depressing. Bishzilla would be awesome, but I wonder if ANI has ever been MFD'd. Let's see, blue or red: WP:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. Yep! Floquenbeam (talk) 00:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, took me a week to answer you to begin with due to some travel. April Fool's or not, Vaticidalprophet was correct in that nom. And we don't want to give the poor reptile indigestion.
I nominally understand the distinction between AN and ANI, but I feel like the existence of both and XRV just mean triple the drama. Star Mississippi 01:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AN and ANI claim to be different, but it's kind of a superficial difference at best. AN is where the WP:Votes for banning usually happen, which seems to attract the ANI denizens too. AARV is new, so some of the denizens haven't found it yet. But no one can be sanctioned at that board, so the worst of them probably have no interest. Floquenbeam (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a serious nomination at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (2nd nomination). No idea what happened to the first nom. —Cryptic 13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A 2010 April Fools joke: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aha - I got fooled by the redirect linked above with the misplaced apostrophe. —Cryptic 18:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean I can't disagree with the nom, especially ANI simply adds fuel to disputes and creates excessive drama
It's a cousin to the RfA reform.
There has to be a better way to say hey, A is doing something problematic that needs addressing without it turning into a digital Stocks situation. I think part of the challenge with Koavf situation (disclosure, voted to c-ban) is that in 20 years, you piss people off. And when they see you're being brought up, we humans take advantage to raise old situations. Ditto with Lightburst being a Contrarian, albeit one I've generally had positive interaction with even though we've disagreed on occasion. A closed venue will always bring about questions about was it handled fairly, but there has to be a better option. Star Mississippi 03:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EENg ANI thread

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Really disappointing.--Floquenbeam (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I'm replying to:

Turning that comment into "suggestion of self-harm" is so pathetically over the top that I choose to ignore the rest of this. Playing that kind of rhetorical game disgusts me. People encouraging others to self-harm is an actual real horrible thing that happens, and you cheapen the victims of such when you smugly use that term here. Don't worry, I'm sure others who are more upset about the occasional use of the word "fuck" than an admin making such a loaded accusation will be along shortly to support you in your feud.

I'm no more in a "feud" with EEng than a substitute teacher is in a "feud" with a class clown they drag to the dean's office.

If we think it's wrong and dangerous to allow people to urge others to self-harm with an actual intent to get them to complete the requested action, where should we draw the line for tolerable lesser examples in the same genre? I would argue it should be at the very beginning, not to undermine the horribleness of more deliberate attempts to do that, but to provide a wide margin of safety between what is tolerated and people causing real-world harm. I don't tolerate people saying "that's gay", for example, even if they merely mean it like "that's stupid". They might not have a discriminatory intent or even be thinking about homosexuality, but they are using homophobic language and sending the message that gay=bad. Reinforce the idea that gay=bad a hundred times, building from a foundation of casual homophobia into serious bigotry, and a father who has a son who "refuses" to stop being gay might logically decide to beat or disown him after all other forms of persuasion and discipline have of course failed, because preventing someone from not being a very bad thing can justify "tough love". I'm not saying tolerating "that's gay" means someone's going to get whipped, but that expression can be the tip of a more troubling iceberg that could be uncovered by addressing it wherever seen, and stopping it does prevent ideas and culture from starting a long drift in a dangerous direction.

For Wikipedia, mere insults are unacceptable, even if more garden variety like "eat a bag of dicks", much less insults which use the language of self-harm for color. Editors need to a.) be a lot more respectful than that, and b.) when they are frustrated, choose better words to express their feelings, like grownups in a workplace and not like children in a schoolyard taunting match. -- Beland (talk) 02:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see there are other people on other pages who are having fun arguing the toss with you. I'd recommend staying on their talk pages, and off mine. I'm too disappointed in you to chat. Floquenbeam (talk) 03:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if at some point in the future you have an idea for a better solution to keep things civil, I'm open to suggestions. -- Beland (talk) 05:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose one suggestion off the top of my head would be to stop accusing other editors of "encouraging self harm" without any basis in reality. That is really an uncivil accusation. You could also avoid calling people class clowns, I guess. Or did you mean that you want suggestions for how we can make other people be more civil? Floquenbeam (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't call EEng a class clown, I merely used an analogy. They certainly do tell a lot of jokes on talk pages, but that is usually relatively harmless and actually does make me smile now and again. What I am calling EEng is chronically uncivil, which is disruptive to harmonious editing like a class clown is disruptive to classroom learning. If you don't find using the language of self-harm problematic even when using it to insult and not as a serious suggestion, that's fine, we can agree to disagree. -- Beland (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you find a public accusation "EEng encouraged self-harm" an accurate description of what happened, then that's fine, we can agree to disagree I do not wish to talk to you anymore. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Serbian Wikipedia

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You remember the Serbian guy (Baba Mica) you permanently banned from Wikipedia some time ago because he was a nuisance. Or a pain in the ass. Well, now he is trying to gather as much support as he can on Serbian Wikipedia so that he can come back and show you guys how ignorant you are etc. It's no joke. He has managed to win the favor of one administrator. So expects a letter written in his favor in a day or two. Serbian Wikipedia is quite a mess, man. It is ruled by chauvinists. It's hell on Earth. I am telling you. Either you do something stop this madness or let it get worse than it already is. These guys won't stop no matter what. A bunch of them have been blocked on English Wikipedia. It's like Mexico back in the years of Spanish colonialism.--Владимир Нимчевић (talk) 19:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit, I do not remember this user Baba Mica. Looking at their block log, it looks like I just removed talk page access for personal attacks, other admins did the actual blocking. Anyway, the "bad" news is, I have zero control over Serbian Wikipedia. The good news is, I believe English Wikipedia is reasonably immune from problematic people on Serbian Wikipedia trying to influence us. This is not my area of expertise, so I'm not sure I'll be able to help, but WP:AN is a reasonable place to go if we're swamped by problematic editors. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:33, 22 February 2024 Floquenbeam talk contribs changed block settings for Baba Mica talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (Personal attacks or harassment - continues to use talk page to makes PAs. also, says that they no longer wish to be part of the project)

Check your block log, forgetful one. :) You are the very one who blocked this nuisance. You did English Wikipedia a great favor. Otherwise, this one would have proven to be quite a nuisance. Serbian users tend to act irrationally. I am not sure if they do that out of pure joy or necessity. They just can't help but harass other with their point of view. Most of the time they forget where they are. They perceive English Wikipedia as an English version of Serbian Wikipedia. But what am I saying. Wikipedia is not a Serbian project in the first place. If they were honest with themselves, they could easily solve their little problem by opening a pure Serbian page. But they are not. On the contrary, they are twisted. Many administrators on Serbian Wikipedia are nationalists who use Wikipedia as some kind of tool to wage a just cause for Serbia and its people. Very funny, I must say. There are many articles written in a nationalistic tone. There are few administrators who think otherwise but they do nothing about raising nationalism on the project. They are just opportunistically sitting on the fence. Serbian Wikipedia is just like a mirror of real Serbia.Владимир Нимчевић (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A dove for you!

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Hi, Floquenbeam. I wanted to take the time today to extend an olive branch and apologize for my testy exchanges with you on AN/I and on my talk page. We both have the same goal at the end of the day of making this encyclopedia better, and there was a more civil way of expressing my disagreement with what's been going on with EEng or otherwise. In any case, I shouldn't have even gotten involved; I'm burning bridges and making enemies over a whole lot of nothing. It just simply isn't worth it. I'm hoping you can forgive me and we can hopefully move on to bigger, better and more important things. Wishing you all the very best. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 00:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC) has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers![reply]

Spread the peace of doves by adding {{subst:Peace dove}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

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