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Phillip Schofield
[edit]Why did you revert my edits with no explanation this is supposed to be a free platform where people add information you don't have free right to just remove people's contributions just because you feel like it kindly stop interfering Tad102 (talk) 01:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- It was explained in this edit summary. The edit added information which is not in the source given here, which is WP:HIJACK. I also think that parts of this section have problems with WP:TOPIC because they are not really about Phillip Schofield, but that's another story.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Betty Davis Eyes
[edit]Why were my changes removed ? According to the regulations regarding songs, about being noteworthy, then either none of these are relevant, since this was NOT a use of the song itself, but a humerous reference to it, in another song, which was a single released in the UK in 1986 which is significant enough that it has it's discussion in the wikipeadia entry...
"Dickie Davies Eyes" b/w "I Left My Heart In Papworth General" and "The Bastard Son of Dean Friedman" (12" only) had been released as a single in September 1986 and reached no.86 in the UK singles charts.
It is, as far as I, and many others are, concerned, as significant, or in fact MORE significant than the "parody" in SNL that is referenced. It is of note, that number 86 in the UK singles chart at that time was quite an achievement for a track by an indie band since indie tracks in those days did not get any significant airplay on any national radio stations, which the exception of John Peel.
Indeed, in 2023, the track experienced something of a resurgence, reaching number 32 in the charts ...
https://www.officialcharts.com/songs/half-man-half-biscuit-dickie-davies-eyes/
some months after the passing of Dickie Davies. Jamspandex (talk) 09:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Jamspandex, the paragraph mentioned only the album and was wholly unsourced? We'd need to have some secondary source(s) to establish notability? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- What does this even mean ? stating that it was "unsourced" ? If something is a parody of something else what other sources are needed ?
- In addition, there are more than enough precidents regarding Half Man Half Biscuit songs, for example, in the UK childrens program Trumpton, this is referenced in their song "The Trumpton Riots" and is indeed referenced in the wikipedia entry for the Trumpton ...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpton
- specifcally ...
- - In 1986, the English indie band Half Man Half Biscuit released an EP, The Trumpton Riots, whose title track describes an insurrection on the streets of Trumpton.[8]
- - Half Man Half Biscuit also referenced Trumpton on the song "Time Flies By When You're the Driver of a Train", a parody of the "Train Song" from sister programme Chigley, on the album Back in the DHSS. The lyrics of the parody cite such things as drug use and football hooliganism.
- And again, for the Reference to the snooker commentator Len Ganley, his wikipedia entry includes
- - He was the subject of the Half Man Half Biscuit tribute song "The Len Ganley Stance".
- If you want to argue that the text is not correct, and should perhaps be something more like "The title of the song was parodied in the song title for Dickie Davis Eyes ..." that would be fine, but that is different from removing the entry altogether. Jamspandex (talk) 09:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jamspandex, have you read Wikipedia:Verifiability? You know what a "source" is, right? By the way, I removed nothing. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are very patronising, of course I have read that and know what a source is. The point is that when something is clearly a parody of something else that stands as it's own source, you do not need someone to actually *state* that A is parody of B. For instance in the entry for the song of Hiawatha
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_of_Hiawatha
- it discusses the many parodies, but for none of them does it require a source of someone stationg that any of them are parodies - that is the point of a parody, in that if it is not obvious, then it is not a very good parody.
- Of course I know you did not remove anything, that is why I am posting on the Ianmacm page, rather than your own. Jamspandex (talk) 09:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also the reply is simply incorrect saying that the paragraph mentions "only the album", I even included the text in my response, which I will repeat here ...
- "Dickie Davies Eyes" b/w "I Left My Heart In Papworth General" and "The Bastard Son of Dean Friedman" (12" only) had been released as a single in September 1986 and reached no.86 in the UK singles charts.
- And there is a wikipedia entry for The song specifically, which redirects to the entry for Back Again in the DHSS. I can presumably easily make a separate page for Dicke Davies Eyes if that is the trivial issue that people are concerned about. Jamspandex (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good luck, Jamspandex. Sounds like you know best... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I should have said WP:SONGCOVER. The problem with this edit is that it was unsourced and did not provide any indication of notability. Simply being true is not enough, because there are many song covers/versions/parodies and they would not be notable enough to mention unless they were discussed in secondary reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd assume that WP:SONGCOVER applies equally to parodies, pastiches, "answer records", and so on. They all need secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- "The Combine Harvester" is a notable parody song. "Dicke Davies Eyes" is not so notable and without sourcing it is likely to be removed again. WP:ONUS applies here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:46, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- "But what I want the most, Is all they acres of land..." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- The song "Dickie Davies Eyes" doesn't have the same tune as "Bette Davis Eyes" and in my view the link is at best loose and tangential. This is why WP:ONUS applies here. There needs to be at least one reliable secondary source discussing why this is a notable parody song, because it probably isn't. There is one line in the lyrics saying "but she's got Dickie Davies eyes" and that is all. Classic WP:POPCULTURE trivia if you ask me.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- "But what I want the most, Is all they acres of land..." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- "The Combine Harvester" is a notable parody song. "Dicke Davies Eyes" is not so notable and without sourcing it is likely to be removed again. WP:ONUS applies here.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:46, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd assume that WP:SONGCOVER applies equally to parodies, pastiches, "answer records", and so on. They all need secondary sources to demonstrate notability. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I should have said WP:SONGCOVER. The problem with this edit is that it was unsourced and did not provide any indication of notability. Simply being true is not enough, because there are many song covers/versions/parodies and they would not be notable enough to mention unless they were discussed in secondary reliable sources.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good luck, Jamspandex. Sounds like you know best... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jamspandex, have you read Wikipedia:Verifiability? You know what a "source" is, right? By the way, I removed nothing. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)