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I saw your DAB improvements today, and added a missing item to the list of groups known as Alpha Delta. While adding the DAB page for ΑΔ to the Project Watchlist, I noted a fourth group named Alpha Delta, a SUNY regional sorority, that had devolved from that name into a group of locals called "Alpha Delta ____", where the blank was their chapter designation. This could become an interesting article, if either of us wish to pursue it. Noted at the SUNY Oswego chapter page, and probably elsewhere. The Brockport link they list is dead. Jax MN (talk) 16:42, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN Feels similar to what happened with Delta Kappa.Naraht (talk) 17:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN The link from the adh page to the one at brockport is broken, but it exists in archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20090727184045/http://www.brockport.edu/~library1/arch4c.htmNaraht (talk) 19:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Cortland - https://books.google.com/books?id=bwBIAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA10&dq=%22alpha+delta%22+brockport+cortland&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiH3ZzZq6D1AhVOkHIEHeN6CtMQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=%22alpha%20delta%22%20brockport%20cortland&f=false
• Geneseo - It appears that the group mentioned at List of LGBT and LGBT-friendly fraternities and sororities at SUNY Geneseo is one of them.Naraht (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I saw that you helped make some improvements to a new draft page I created, Draft:Jo Bamford. Would you have any more suggestions, or do you think it's ready to be reviewed again? Thanks for your time --Eatthecrow (talk) 21:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eatthecrow I think the only thing that I did was remove a nowiki tag. But quickly looking at it again, I have a few comments.

1. The statement about the "A 2015 Reuters report"... doesn't seem to be relevant to this article, it appears to be about the grandfather, father and uncle.
2. The "late 2021" entry seems a bit off. I'm not sure how the quote should be included. :(
3. It may be tough to separate Jo from his family. Notability is not inherited, but I think he may be notable separately. It may also make sense (eventually) to have a hatnote make sure people aren't looking for his grandfather or vice versa.

You may want to ask the person who rejected it, you are pretty close.Naraht (talk) 23:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you taking the time to look at the article with those suggestions. I went and made some tweaks and added a hatnote to differentiate this article from his grandfather's. Synoman Barris reviewed and rejected the article - she's on a sabbatical away from Wikipedia for an undetermined amount of time, due to stress. I tried reaching out last month but haven't heard back. What do you think I should do in this case? Eatthecrow (talk) 18:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

EatthecrowSorry, missed your response. I'm willing to approve it, but right now the article exists in mainspace as a redirect to his father. I've marked the redirect for possible fast uncontroversial deletion. Whoever deletes it should either move it to mainspace *or* let me know so that I can do so. If it doesn't happen within 3 or 4 days, I'll look into doing a formal delete of the redirect which shouldn't be controversial. At absolute worst, it should be in mainspace by the end of the month. Naraht (talk) 14:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds great, I appreciate you helping me along with this process. Lmk if there's anything I can do. I don't have any experience with redirects..might be better if someone more experienced can do that part. Eatthecrow (talk) 17:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eatthecrow Sorry, I missed that it had been deleted within 24 hours of the request. I've moved it to mainspace. Still needs categories and Wikiprojects on the talk page. Take a look at the equivalents for his relatives and see what makes sense. Often someone will come through when they see an article with no categories and do it.Naraht (talk) 19:51, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Goldsztajn thank you for both fixing it and notifying me. In terms of opinion on the AFD, I think we are absolutely on the same page. I found the cow story as well.Naraht (talk) 23:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Is something in the water? There is a flurry of AfDs this past week, all for religious themed fraternities and sororities. Today brought two more. Same OP -- I'd hate to think someone was gunning to delete these articles because of the groups' religious emphasis. Offered FYI. Jax MN (talk) 21:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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From Baird's 20th. p.V-76-77

• Sigma Sigma — University of Washington — 1947
• Alpha Alpha (second chapter with this name) — South Carolina — 1972
• Alpha Gamma — University of Florida — 1975

"repeated from the 19th edition" Jax MN (talk) 20:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Sigma Sigma and Alpha Alpha in the 1976 in trying to fill in the empties. the reissue of Alpha Alpha is interesting, as the Georgetown U Dental School didn't close until 1987. I'll take a peek at the 20th next time I go upstairs.Naraht (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I cross-checked the list you had posted so far. Your list has about a dozen additional chapters that never made it to Baird's 20th, and I found only these three missing from the other reference you cited. So in combination, this will likely provide us the complete list. The national website does not list chapters. Jax MN (talk) 20:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN The *legacy* version of the national website does. That's where I started from, see the first ref in the section.Naraht (talk) 21:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN I've got to step away for a while. I'm taking off the Under Construction, so if you want to keep linking the Dental Schools or transform it into a table, have fun. :)Naraht (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

{{U}Jax MN}} Pretty much done with gathering chapter data. Presumably this will end up as a page of its own and table-ized, just like Psi Omega and Xi Psi Phi. And then just to complete the four, I should do the same gathering for Alpha Omega. I think "Going Greek" might have a list.Naraht (talk) 21:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naraht, I've finished the adjustment of the list into a table. I wrote to the group's Grand Scribe but haven't heard back. I have some doubts about the validity of 44 chapters being active, but the aging references we have still support this, as does the text of the organizations website. Also, I'm unclear whether these should be called undergrad chapters since dental school is a graduate program. Jax MN (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Naraht
I notice you edited one of my sandboxes the other day; I was a bit puzzled by your comment, as the categories you altered were (I thought) already disabled. OTOH the last category (which appears to have been enabled by Primebot in February) wasn’t. Were they showing up somewhere, to draw your attention? My apologies, if so. Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 23:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Xyl 54 Yes, that's basically it. "World War II destroyers of the United Kingdom" was showing up as a mainspace cat which made the sandbox show up in Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories and the tool that I used replaces the [[Category: with [[:Category: for mainspace categories (I'm not quite sure of the exact strings that it looks for and replaces) but I don't think it knows that removing the ending brackets will remove it from other cats. Let me know if you want the name of the tool for more research. Happy editing.Naraht (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Response on talk page for article.PhiAlpha3000Naraht (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask to which article this discussion refers? Jax MN (talk) 19:51, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN List of Delta Kappa Epsilon chapters.Naraht (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I actually involved with this group. I really shouldn't be involved editing it. I have CONFLICT OF INTEREST PhiAlpha3000 (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the remedies. Nothing against Gamma chapter the were a good chapter. The national director is a member. LSU made national news for pouring gasoline and urine on pledges. Their not coming back. PhiAlpha3000 (talk) 22:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nationals don't pla⁷ 72.227.115.125 (talk) 08:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even in a situation like Theta Tau and Syracuse, Forever bans simply aren't. If Twenty five years from now, Delta Kappa Epsilon attempts to return, they'll be viewed equally to other groups that might come on campus.Naraht (talk) 12:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naraht, did you finish your round of edits for the List of DKE chapters? I have a few cleanup items to attend to. Jax MN (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN I was looking for a few more chartering dates after move, but nothing large. I got rid of inuse.Naraht (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(t · c) buidhe 20:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have deleted our fraternity in the list of law fraternity in the Philippines, may ask why? Ar41985 (talk) 13:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ar41985 Absolutely. At one point the list of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines was a massive article including many groups that had either just come into existance and thus had no notability or were groups whose existance couldn't even be validated. So it was changed to say that a group would already have to have a wikipedia page about them (which of course could be challenged under normal procedures if no notability has been shown). A good comparison is with Sigma Rho. The page about Sigma Rho has references to article in the Rappler, Sunstar, Philstar and ABS-CBN.

So the next step is to see if there is enough for an article on Beta Sigma Lambda. Philstar appears to only mention Beta Sigma Lambda in an interview about the 2010 Bar Blast, and the 2003 Bar Examination Scandal. Nothing in Rappler or sunstar. ABS-CBN has two mentions from the 2010 bar blast. I realize that there are other news sources in the Philippines, but this was where I started. Wikipedia is interested in what other say about the group, not what the group says about themselves, so facebook groups created by the fraternity and similar things don't indicate notability. I even looked at Balita, and while I see mentions of Delta Sigma Lambda, they seem to be members writing in (at least by the automatic translation on google.) The resources showing notability don't have to be in English, so if there are better ones in Tagalog or Cebuano or one of the other languages of the Philippines that's fine.

And in terms of how I got interested, I'm a brother of Alpha Phi Omega of the United States, so I'm quite familiar with Alpha Phi Omega of the Philippines. The Oblation Run does sort of help with mentions in the news media. :) On the other hand, so does Ferdinand Tabtab.

Let me know how I can help. I will be happy to put you in touch with a different member of the Wikipedia project for Fraternities and Sororities if you think that my membership in Alpha Phi Omega represents a Conflict of Interest.Naraht (talk) 23:18, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://twitter.com/abscbnnews/status/1021932068190576642

https://abogado.com.ph/in-honor-in-death-beta-sigma-lambda-mourns-the-death-of-justice-ricardo-puno/

is this enough for you? Ar41985 (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ar41985 I'm not saying that I'm a gatekeeper here, and a more general appeal would be fine. However the twitter doesn't mention Beta Sigma Lambda, and the abogado mentions his membership. The second would be fine as a reference on a page about Beta Sigma Lambda showing that he was a brother, but doesn't necessarily show notability of Beta Sigma Lambda. As I said, I'd use Rho Sigma as a model. I'd suggest in the short term creating a page at Draft:Beta Sigma Lambda with the appropriate references, others will try to help, I'd suggest seeing what other references from places like newspapers are available. Naraht (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So you will not stop deleting, I will not stop also publishing Ar41985 (talk) 18:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

we have all the rights to be on that list. Ar41985 (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ar41985, I work on fraternity articles, and have followed this conversation. You are taking this far too personally. WP is simply not a place for Original Research, that is, your own 'essay' type writing, without supporting valid references. Our advice is that you should dig for these. Find several publicly-available books, magazines, newspapers, or scholarly papers that talks about Beta Sigma Lambda. Cite these. If the group has existed for ten or more years with three or more chapters, that is more or less the bar for 'notability', but it must also have such citable references. Without these, it amounts to hearsay as in a court of law, and is inadmissible as evidence: a principle you might recognize. Jax MN (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naraht, I got bogged down editing Kappa Sigma Kappa and Alpha Lambda Tau and had to walk away from it to let me eyes clear. Alpha Lambda Tau looks good, but I'd appreciate your review of both articles. As you might recall, I'd spent some time last year on the Trine University page, deciphering the many chapter name changes. Using that information, I attempted to clarify the Trine chapter's evolution within the scope of Kappa Sigma Kappa. I think I have it right, showing that it was the KSK group that found safe harbor in Kappa Sigma in 1966. It eventually took the Theta-Xi chapter of ΚΣ, in what appears to be a coincidence when you realize that its previous national, KSK had many chapters join Theta Xi national. Ugh. A later group formed a Teke chapter, but this came about from an alumnus that reformed KSK on that campus. Would you trace this, and see if it is as clear as can be stated, under the circumstances?

I think I should add a column, noting the names of the chapters after they merged, and the nationals they joined. More than any other national, Kappa Sigma Kappa, as a non NIC group, was simply picked dry of its good chapters by a number of nationals. The Baird's Archive record is rough, and many of the chapters are either duplicates (I've tried to clean these up) and it is missing numerous dates. Baird's normally uses footnotes to show where the chapters went, maybe showing two or four footnotes. But in the case of KSK there are perhaps 16 footnotes showing these outcomes. Like I said, KSK was picked dry. Jax MN (talk) 03:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN working the Maryland election tomorrow, will try to take a look on Wednesday or Thursday.Naraht (talk) 03:33, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(t · c) buidhe 21:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Naraht, I have submitted an entry about the company Merkur. I saw that you are quite active in wikipedia and that you have already experience with reviewing drafts. So I wanted to ask you if you could maybe have a look at my article I handed in? I put a lot of effort into creating it and I would be really grateful. Here you can come to the draft: Draft:Merkur Stahlwaren.

Thanks again and many greetings,

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Hello Naraht - I tested a format change on the Zeta Psi chapter list. An adjustment to how we show Inactive, Deceased chapters. Thoughts? Jax MN (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously, what a mess we have in the Zeta Psi record. I commend you for working on it. When testing that grey highlight style I noted the situation with Harvard, where the earliest four-year period of activity ceased and Rho chapter there was termed as Deceased. Then, the group came back several times, still named Rho. The grey highlight works from what I recall reading about why the first group ceased. But looking at it again I saw (and recalled previously noting) the Middlebury chapter, also named Rho. Inactive, yes. Then supplanted by yet another run at it, by a Harvard group. I suppose it will all come down to whether or not the national fraternity applies the name Deceased on any of these more recent chapters, or not. Whatever they do, it appears to be a compromise solution to a bad naming problem they inherited. WTF were they thinking, in granting Middlebury that name? Hats off to you for wrestling with it. Jax MN (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jax MN - Right now I'm just rearranging the order to the order in https://zetapsi.org/about/chapters/?fwp_paged=3 and then we'll see what's left that they *don't* include (like the Naval Academy). I'll take a look after the rest is rearranged.Naraht (talk) 14:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I am pretty sure it is a lost battle to fight the deletion challenge of Sigma Mu Delta. Although your comment would be welcome, as always. I felt that I had met the initial challenge by finding sources, but the two extensions of the challenge appear to be a hunt for "delete" votes. I know you are much more experienced in these matters. Is it possible to win this type of challenge where the sources are campus and university oriented? In other areas of Wikipedia, I find that the deletion discussions look at the subject itself, as well as the sources--but this is the second time I have come across this type of debate with fraternities. My concern is the shear number of fraternal articles in Wikipedia that either lack independent sources or are similarly sourced. Should our focus shift to fixing those articles, rather than worrying about lists and mergers? Or are we really working on content that does not belong in Wikipedia? Maybe I am having a existential crisis as I pride myself in my ability to find sources. Rublamb (talk) 18:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JAX just found Simga Mu Delta in the almanac. We had both looked in coed, not all male. Don't know if that will make a difference, but at least it validates my gut that this group was notable. Rublamb (talk) 08:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz After further research and expansion of Maryland Military and Naval Academy, it was determined that the school closed in 1887, not 1888. As such I will not be challenging the deletion. Thank you for marking it.Naraht (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Naraht. Some of the recent citations you have cleane