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Don't you hate it when that happens? ;) --168.215.131.150 (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I really don't get it... There's something wrong with the crash / tabs recovery within Firefox – hm, it would be nice to trace it down and at least submit a reproducible bug report to Firefox developers. -- Dsimic (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for uploading File:SATA Express host plug.png. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of fair use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of fair use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

1. Go to the file description page and add the text {{di-replaceable fair use disputed|<your reason>}} below the original replaceable fair use template, replacing <your reason> with a short explanation of why the file is not replaceable.
2. On the file discussion page, write a full explanation of why you believe the file is not replaceable.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media item by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by creating new media yourself (for example, by taking your own photograph of the subject).

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these media fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per the non-free content policy. If you have any questions, please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed them from the article due to non-compliance with WP:NFC. Do not re-add them. Our policies on non-free media is very restrictive, and those are replaceable, and thus not acceptable. Werieth (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, will re-tag the pictures as orphaned. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dude whats your problem with my aricle that was revelant information. You yourself make blog if you want to.Oranjelo100 (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please excuse me, but can't you see how did you write your sentence above? It has a few misspelled words, and it's such a simple sentence. Also, for those two sentences above you needed four commits, what makes little to no sense – if you agree.

All I wanted to say is that you need to practice more before contributing to Wikipedia.

Also, do you think I was born with the knowledge of English? No, and English isn't my native language. But, I've spent many years working hard on it, and I still don't consider it to be as good as I'd really want it to be – so I still keep learning it. Learning and practicing is the key – but only when performed in appropriate places. When people learn and practice for their drivers licenses, do they go straight to highways doing 100 mph? Please consider Wikipedia to be some kind of a highway.

How about placing your edits into sandboxes, so other people can have a look at them first? -- Dsimic (talk) 12:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that you also selected a wrong section title level for your addition to my talk page, so I fixed it. :) Can't you really see your own mistakes, and learn from them? Is there anything more I can do in order to make noticing your own mistakes easier for you?

Please note that the contributions are good, but not in case fixing them requires more effort than the actual contribution would require by itself. Also, each system has its own rules, and that applies to Wikipedia too. -- Dsimic (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe stop arrogantly patronizing me, and you still didn't respond why you deleted relevant information from uop cache.

You're probably right, as I'm obviously wasting my time trying to provide some suggestions to you on how you should improve yourself. That actually makes me a bigger fool.

Back to your question, I've deleted some of the stuff you added there because it was (a) written in very bad English; and (b) contained hardly verifiable platform-specific information that actually doesn't help explaining the micro-op cache to the people who will be reading the article.

Hope that answers your question. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, please sign your posts on talk pages. That's one of the rules here. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are full of yourself instead of acting high and mighty explain what you mean by very bad english and hardly verifiable platform-specific information .L1 cache is commonly used term and you deleted relevant technical information about uop cache inner workings.

I'm really sorry about your true inability to see your own mistakes. Every single article you touched, ended up looking like a real mess. You are unable even to properly space words, or to use periods and commas properly. It's all the same to you, those little dots on the screen seem to be irrelevant. Are you using some kind of an automated translation engine to produce such "Me Tarzan, you Jane" English? -- Dsimic (talk) 19:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Texting: The choice of a new, illiterate, generation... Thanks for the laugh, Dsimic! Props to you for trying. PaulMEdwards (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@PaulMEdwards: Hello there! You're welcome, and I'm glad that someone actually reads the stuff I'm putting into Wikipedia. :) Though, I'm asking myself quite often whether all that makes sense? Wikipedia is a great thing, no doubt about that, but who cares about all the effort so many people are putting into it? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:54, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Dsimic: Well, you and I, and certainly a few others, do care... Isn't that enough? Hopefully future generations will look back upon us as akin to the scholars who founded the Library of Alexandria. We stewards of information must remain vigilant and diligently curate this valuable resource. — PaulMEdwards (talk | contribs) 20:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When looked from that side, it makes sense. Though, do you really think that new generations and "modern people" care about the Library of Alexandria, or about the older (or more complicated) stuff available on Wikipedia and elsewhere?

A few days ago I watched a motherboard unboxing video on YouTube, and the presenter (a young guy) wasn't sure what's actually provided by the expansion slot bracket that came bundled with the motherboard – and it was a serial port. He was like "is it a VGA port? not sure, but don't need it anyway", what really struck me. Also, he just tossed away the manual, which is for that particular motherboard full of extremely valuable information and simply a must-read. Though, all that guy cares about is to stick two graphics cards into it, click ten times to get a running installation of Windows, and spend countless hours with W, A, S and D keys.

Library of Alexandria? C'mon. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic,

Thanks for the explanation after you reverted some of our edits back to their original form. All makes sense.

However, with that said, we would like to request a few edits to the Serial ATA Express (SATA Express) wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA_Express

1. Would you change the title of this page to SATA Express (as opposed to Serial ATA Express)? This is how the specification is usually referenced in papers and publications.
2. SFF-8639 connector is referenced as the device connector. Although it can be used that way, this connector is not part of the SATA Express spec. Is there anyway you could edit this to make it clearer to readers?

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns to the requests above.

Many thanks,

Jbalich (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there!

I'm glad you're Ok with the edits I performed. Thank you very much for your suggestions, especially regarding usage of the SFF-8639 connector — that's something I haven't described well enough within the article. Already went ahead and edited the SATA Express article so it properly describes used connectors, please check it out.

Also, I agree about the renaming, it's going to be shorter and better that way — and that's how all the papers are referring to the interface itself. I'll ask the admins tomorrow to perform the article renaming, can't do that myself as the SATA Express article already exists in form of a redirect (and copy&paste is not an option as commits history gets trashed that way).

-- Dsimic (talk) 05:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming of the article is done. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, thanks for your edits to the connector section! Also, I appreciate your help in renaming the page! On another note, are you able to add an image to the SATA Express page? I found a simple yet informative image of hosts and drives from the SATA Express page on sata-io.org, found here: https://www.sata-io.org/sata-express — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbalich (talk • contribs) 15:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. :) I'm glad you like it, and I'm really hoping that the whole article will help anyone in understanding better what's SATA Express about, as it can be quite confusing at the beginning.

Regarding adding images, Wikipedia is very, very strict about disallowing non-free images. I've already uploaded images of all five types of connectors used for SATA Express, in form of plain black-and-white sketches borrowed from a SATA-IO paper, and they were quickly deleted as disallowed. Well, it took me at least 45 minutes to crop, export and upload those wasted pictures. :) It's all about preventing any copyright issues down the road... Basically, unless it's a picture of a building that's been taken down, or a picture of no longer alive person — only the pictures you've taken yourself (or graphs created from an empty canvas) are allowed here.

-- Dsimic (talk) 16:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thanks for the clarification. If I had permission from SATA-IO (the owner of the above mentioned image) to post this image, how would I go about getting it up on the page? Once again, thanks for your help! Jbalich (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You'd have to obtain a "free to use" license from SATA-IO for the particular image, in form of a page on their site explicitly stating such a license. With that available, you should provide URL of that page while uploading the image using the Wikipedia's File Upload Wizard (Toolbox --> Upload file on the left side of Wikipedia's standard layout). That would be basically it, together with adding image to the article itself.

Quite frankly, I'd say you'd be much better re-creating the illustration yourself, than chasing the SATA-IO for a license. You'd save yourself from a lot of pain. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thanks again! Jbalich (talk) 17:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. -- Dsimic (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic,

I'd like to break out U.2 as a separate page for the connector formerly known as SFF-8639^[1]. There is a draft available now (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:U.2_(SFF-8639))

Thanks! Jmhands (talk) June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hello! If I'm not mistaken, the draft you've linked above doesn't exist, and I've even tried one or two alterations of the draft name with no success. Any chances, please, for a working link to the draft you're referring to? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:24, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There was an extra parenthesis at the end. Please try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:U.2_(SFF-8639) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.54.40 (talk) 21:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, thanks – my bad, somehow managed to totally overlook that erroneous parenthesis. Had a look at the draft, it would require quite a lot of further work to qualify as an article. Jmhands, would you be Ok if I'd take your draft as a basis for the final version of the U.2 article? Of course, you'd receive appropriate attribution. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Of course - feel free to continue adding to the article to make it more clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.54.36 (talk) 14:24, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, please also see my comments in the § Enlist your help to make U.2 (SFF-8639) page great! section below. By the way, I presume that an expression such as 192.55.54.0/24 == Jmhands holds true as those IP addresses belong to an address block assigned to Intel? :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can we change the title of the "Next Generation Form Factor" wiki page to "M.2"? NGFF is its former name and I feel that the page should reflect that change as it is listed on many other pages by its proper name "M.2". Thanks! Jbalich (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! That's a good proposal, things changed in the meantime and it should improve the clarity. I've placed a request for admins to perform the rename, as the M.2 article already exists as a redirect page. -- Dsimic (talk) 19:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much! Jbalich (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need to revert other people's edits in order to modify additions for flow, structure or readability. A simple cut/paste/edit would suffice and also permit others to see what was done. Nobody owns a wikipedia page. Blouis79 (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Blouis79! I'm slightly confused, which edit(s) do you refer to? These two back from November 2013, if I'm not mistaken? Those two edits were followed by three more edits made by an IP address, which unfortunately introduced next to no improvements so they were reverted. Together with that, I've also incorporated (they haven't been reverted) your edits into the article, by converting the external link you've added into a reference, and by deduplicating the wording so we don't repeat what has been pretty much already explained in the article (support for different interfaces on the same M.2 connector and associated connector keying).

Moreover, the article has been further expanded in subsequent edits, inspired primarily by your two edits, what's for example visible in this edit. At the same time, there was no need to note that Tyco says something about the M.2 connector, as Tyco is only one of the manufacturers that make the connector; it's perfectly fine to use manufacturer's papers as references, but there's no need to mention a non-exclusive manufacturer.

I've even left a message on your talk page that "I've reverted and then reworked your edits to the M.2 article, so they now fit better into the previously present content", and we could have discussed it further. Please don't get me wrong, but the whole thing isn't called owning an article, that's in fact a process known as peer review with making articles better as the only goal. Hope you agree. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:30, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note, I went ahead and merged the two move requests on Talk:Linux Gaming. Having two separate move requests happening at once on the same talk page can be a bit confusing to readers, and it makes it so that consensus has to be form only once. Steel1943 (talk) 04:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Looking great to me, less cluttered and a lot easier to discuss. Thank you for merging the move requests. -- Dsimic (talk) 13:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more than happy to discuss anything - however; just because something's 'accepted' does NOT mean or make or correct. Wikipædia IS an encyclopedic work. If we follow your logic, then it's almost certain the (so-called) 'bastions' of American journalism would sink - dramatically in quality. However, they ALL have guides to proper language use. All of them. Regardless if their writers' personal idiosyncrasies, they write in a UNIFORM style.

Additionally, I was speaking to the head editor of PCWorld the other day (sheer coincidence) and HE brought up his displeasure with it's use by 'readers.' Another point; on ourpise, I forgot the gentleman's name, but, he 'writes' for an inline 'journal,' & he used INCORRECT grammar. When I pontes it out, he responded: 'rules are meant to b broken.' He must think he's Shakespeare - he's not.

Just 'because' is NOT an answer. We ALL need to uphold things. No - it's not 'the end if the world,' but it's WRONG to encourage continued MISuse. Finally. As I'm NOT changing the arrocle's structure, I fail to see HOW it has to be removed - by ... you. Of ALL people, it's people LIKE you who should ENCOURAGE PROPER use of words & speech. Why not just LEAVE it - if - IF - theirs an 'outcry,' THEN 'correct' it (lol).

But, in fact, all I did was WRITE it CORECTLY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UNOwenNYC (talk • contribs) 23:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! I apologize for the confusion, please allow me to explain.

Basically, "form factor" is something I've seen used in many places so far. There are even some definitions around, like this one, or this one. It's also used in other areas, for example while describing electric motors. That's why I was against editing it out, and also "configuration" isn't such a great general replacement word. It would be better to use "footprint" instead, though saying "hard disk footprint" would be quite awkward, if you agree. :)

Please don't get me wrong, I'm all in for improving things whenever and wherever possible, and for not allowing "everybody does it that way" approaches to creep in. Many people are doing wrong things, and that isn't making wrong things right.

Any chances, please, for describing in more detail why the "form factor" is actually wrong? Any examples, definitions etc.?

-- Dsimic (talk) 00:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, following a review of your contributions, I have enabled reviewer rights on your account. This gives you the ability to:

• Accept changes on pages undergoing pending changes,
• Have your changes automatically accepted on pending changes level 2 protected pages, and
• Administrate article feedback.

Please remember that this user right:

• Can be removed at any time for misuse, and
• Does not grant you any special status above other editors.

You should probably also read WP:PROTECT, since this user privilege deals largely with page protection. As the requirements for this privilege are still in a state of flux, I would encourage you to keep up to date on the WP:REVIEWER page. Feel free to ask me if you have any questions! Happy editing! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I'll make sure to use this privilege only with the best intentions, and according to the Wikipedia rules. -- Dsimic (talk) 13:45, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Android 4.4 "launcher" is exclusive to the Nexus 5, and is technically part of the Google Search app, it is not a stock component of Android, and requires the non-free Google apps in order to function (thus, I cannot consider it to be a stock screenshot of Android). All other builds of 4.4 (even from Google itself, ironically) use the stock launcher from 4.3. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're totally correct there, and it might be some kind of a new product launch strategy for Google (so they somehow differentiate the Nexus 5 from other devices running 4.4), who knows. I've just edited the Android version history article so it states that pictured launcher is currently exclusive to the Nexus 5, please check it out. Hope you'll find that acceptable. -- Dsimic (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I still object because, despite how Google has promoted it, it is not a new feature of Android 4.4, and we are giving false expectations to readers. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree there, it's a launcher feature. Is it better after this edit to the article? -- Dsimic (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The launcher is part of the Google Search app. Updates to Google apps are not considered to be part of Android for the purposes of the version history article, because they are distributed through Play Store and not technically part of the stock Android system. And as you can see there, this launcher is "not" exclusive to 4.4, so its not a feature of 4.4 either (my Galaxy Nexus proudly uses it just fine, thank you very much) ViperSnake151  Talk  18:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, makes sense. I can live with that. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on File:RouterBoard R52n-M.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image is an unused redundant copy (all pixels the same or scaled down) of an image in the same file format, which is on Wikipedia (not on Commons), and all inward links have been updated.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Eeekster (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's none of your business how many edits I made.--Oranjelo100 (talk) 14:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is my business to make Wikipedia better, and unfortunately your edits aren't helping in that. So, I need to point out what's wrong, so we can make it better together. Also, there are rules on Wikipedia we all need to obey, as we've already discussed. -- Dsimic (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

J will use whatever references J will like J am not your servant. Do it yourself without deleting without deleting relevant information if you have problem and my edits help make Wikipedia better like them or not. You feel you are important when you talk about rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

I don't want to sound important or whatever, and I don't want anyone to serve me. We're all here to play by the rules established by Wikipedia. All those rules are reasonable, and targeted at improving quality of the content provided through articles.

On the other hand, you sound like a totally ignorant and unreasonable person, unable to see your own mistakes. For example, can't you see that you're using letter "J" instead of "I" when referring to yourself – and four times in a row above? Can't you see that? Also, why are you writing "gb" instead of "GB", for example? That's not a rule imposed by Wikipedia, that's something from the elementary school.

Please, understand that you need to follow the rules, and to apply some common sense while editing. Otherwise, please get yourself a blog, and do whatever you want there. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My bad with J, English is not my native language but will make edits in whatever way I like and I will not make blog just to appease you don't you have anything better to do then stalking my edits and nitpicking everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

English isn't my native language either, but I've spent many years learning it. Sorry, but I see no point in spending more time and words towards trying to educate you. You just don't want to accept anything, or at least take it into consideration. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And stop trying to discourage others from editing Wikipedia for example me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

Please excuse me, but I'm feeling sorry for your obvious lack of intelligence. -- Dsimic (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I feel sorry for you because you have to try make yourself feel superior by trying to put down others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

I'm trying to make you better, but you don't seem to understand that. Btw, please sign your posts. -- Dsimic (talk) 17:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you will make me feel better when you will stop stalking and harrasing me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

You're taking all suggestions as if they were against you, but they're not. I'm telling all that so you can improve yourself, but that seems to be pointless as you simply don't understand.

Once again, please sign your posts. -- Dsimic (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need your help in improving myself like I said stop stalking my edits and making mocking messages on my talk page or any other messages for that matter I dont want to talk with you. Another issue is that you broke Wikipedia rules by making personal attacks against me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oranjelo100 (talk • contribs)

Dude, you're ridiculous. I'll stop talking to you, as it's a totally pointless waste of my time. -- Dsimic (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About your Third Opinion request: I am a regular volunteer at the Third Opinion project. Your request for an opinion has been removed because this is primarily a conduct dispute. 3O does not handle disputes which are primarily conduct disputes, which are handled through RFC/U, ANI, or ARBCOM. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC) PS: @Oranjelo100: While I express no opinion about any of the rest, you do need to sign your posts with four tildes. Failing to sign them makes following a conversation very difficult. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! – Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I'll make sure to use this privilege only with the best intentions, and according to the Wikipedia rules. — Dsimic (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

The idea was to link to the page and section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multigate_device#FinFET

So a user who clicks the "FinFET" link will be directed to a section specifically about FinFETs, rather than a more general article about various multigate devices. Is that not the correct thing to do? Or is there another issue I'm not seeing?

InternetMeme (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! It's just a small confusion, please allow me to explain...

FinFET is a redirect page, and that redirect was basically broken until a few hours ago, when I got it fixed. Previously, FinFET was redirecting to a section title anchor (and that section was renamed at some point in time) within the Multigate device article, and I edited both pages so an explicit anchor is now placed and used. That corrected the FinFET redirect, and it's also preventing such issues with renamed section in the future. Please check out the FinFET redirect, and these two edits: edit #1, edit #2.

Hope it makes sense, please let me know if further explanation is required. — Dsimic (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: Under Microsoft windows Do not used "Windows" Xp" / "Windows 7" Used Lana and Areo okay?

Thank you for pointing that out! I knew about Aero, but had no idea about Luna... What do I know, my migration to Linux took place back in 1998 or so. :) — Dsimic (talk) 04:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	Under Microsoft windows Do not used "Windows" Xp" / "Windows 7" Used Lana and Areo okay? Mathsquare (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It's somewhat funny I got a barnstar for something related to MS Windows, but that at least shows I'm not biased. :) — Dsimic (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Dsimic, please see the "talk" section of the BLAST (protocol) article for my response to your much appreciated attention to said article.Synchronist (talk) 01:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! I'm glad you're fine with my edits to the BLAST (protocol) article. :) Right now I'm reading you comments and further edits, and will be replying shortly. — Dsimic (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you reverted my update. Thanks for catching the layout issue. It didn't seem to show up for me under preview or even after I saved the changes until I collapsed and then expanded the Android 4.4 subsection. It should be good now. I have also added some sources. --Jimv1983 (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, and you're welcome. :) It's looking good now, with the inline references backing new 4.4.1 content. I've touched it up a bit, please check it out. — Dsimic (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at this. Cheers. --uKER (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for a heads-up! I'm already looking at it. :) — Dsimic (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this; I hadn't noticed so thanks for updating it. In addition, while I'm sure it was implied via my use of the "thanks" feature, thanks for all your work on the Nexus 5 article. :) Best. Acalamari 23:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. :) Exactly, I went to see who thanked me for my edits on the Nexus 5 article, and spotted an outdated external link. :)

While we're there, would it be possible to provide better integration of various external tools into Wikipedia? Or is it all up to the actual Wikimedia software? Some of the tools (for example, page views stats) are confusing and burried so deeply, that I doubt many people are actually using them — while their value and actual usability is undoubtful. Any insights, please? — Dsimic (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...I actually have no idea what processes are used to integrate the external tools! I'd recommend asking Cyberpower678 about this; from my experience, he's fairly knowledgable about technical matters such as this one. Acalamari 09:36, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In order to integrate them, the devs of this site need to get off of their butts and start doing something. :D. Actually, these tools are used a lot. I recorded that Page History Statistics tool was used over 88,000 times last month. That's quite a lot.—cyberpower _Online^{Merry Christmas} 12:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for the insights! Ah, as always, elbow grease is required for new features and improvements. :) — Dsimic (talk) 15:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Dsimic, it does look better! Synchronist (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you like it. :) — Dsimic (talk) 02:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Laravel (Framework) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from https://teamtreehouse.com/forum/php-frameworks-2. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website or image but have permission from that owner, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. - MrX 20:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@MrX: Hm, what's going on? It wasn't me writing this article, I've just renamed it so the second word in its title isn't capitalized. — Dsimic (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a note, quoted from the article's talk page:

You created the redirect at the (almost) same time as I nominated the article for speedy deletion. You can ignore the notification. - MrX 20:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Dsimic (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

History nicely fixed :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laravel_%28framework%29&action=history  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good, thank you very much! — Dsimic (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't seem notable to me. Someone should look the promo contribs of Special:Contributions/Wikidevb (and other SPAs which wrote that FlexRAID piece) in other articles. Someone not using his real name (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for a heads-up! — Dsimic (talk) 18:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Dsimic: That section isn't about FlexRAID. An article on FlexRAID is being prepared separately. The section was about RAID over File System as a general RAID approach. Refer to prior discussion on the entry here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spectwiki (talk • contribs) 17:41, July 30, 2014‎ (UTC)

Hello there! Well, Ok, it doesn't hurt to keep it if you insist. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dsimic hi, I don't normally edit articles so perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick. The material in the Nexus 4 page was waffle at the very best and that is what I removed. Is it that I have not correctly followed a procedure (there seem to be a lot) or just that you don't agree, and as a prominent editor/contributor you therefor felt justified in removing my edit with no reasoning? Just so I know what I should do in future. I contribute financially to Wikipedia and hate to see it dumbed-down with junk text. Nick (ozy1ozy) Ozy1ozy (talk) 21:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, and sorry for my delayed response! I apologize for not providing an edit summary while reverting your edit, so please allow me to explain now... In a few words, your edit deleted majority of the article's content, without a clear link with the deleted content being "bloat-text or advertising adding no useful information", especially as that content already went through multiple rounds of reviewing, debating and consenting. Of course, Wikipedia has clear rules against advertising, WP:Spam etc,. and the whole content has been already verified against them numerous times. Basically, your edit was bordering with blanking as a form of WP:Vandalism, and in such cases it's acceptable to perform the reverting while providing no edit summaries.

Hope it makes sense. If required, I'm more than happy to discuss it further! — Dsimic (talk) 22:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic,

I'm very interested in your decision to pull the list of notable people in the cloud computing industry that drive the globally significant OpenStack project? Wikipedia has no problems with low rate movies having lists of actors and such, so why should the cloud computing industry and it's currently most significant project OpenStack not be able to list the leaders of the project? it's a larger than usual "key people" list, but that's the way the governance model is structured, so it's justified to declare that. I will be putting more information up about the unique and innovative OpenStack governance model in the coming days.

Thanks DHOTOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhopontopofus (talk • contribs) 11:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, and sorry for my delayed response! On second thought, and especially with your intention of adding more details about the OpenStack's governance model, that list makes more sense. Having such a long list isn't that useful per se, as there are hundreds (and probably even thousands) of other people also playing important roles in OpenStack's development, but if we add more details about the structure, inner workings etc., that list will become more useful... Looking forward to your edits!

Also, just as a note, seeing the word "committee" is always bringing me a bitter taste. :) — Dsimic (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Drhopontopofus: Any updates, please? :) — Dsimic (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic, I have been a bit snowed this month. I'll get onto this as soon as I can. I'm going to enlist one of the docs guys to help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhopontopofus (talk • contribs) 04:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just take your time, there's absolutely no hurry. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Dsimic, I've really enjoyed collaborating with you on Replicant (operating system). I think we have made some significant improvements. If you ever need help on a project in the future, I'll be glad to assist. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 00:00, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Thank you very much – I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I'd say that the pleasure was all mine. :) Sure thing, we've made clearly visible improvements, and that's probably going to make Replicant more understandable to a broader audience, while preserving the knowledge and facts for the future. In the end, that's the goal, if you agree. :)

Speaking about bigger projects, there's one I've been putting aside for a long time. :) It's the Logical Volume Manager (Linux) article, which is currently a totally outdated mess. It's such an important part of Linux, and a quite confusing part to many people at the same time; thus, having a good article would have multiple benefits.

Would you like us to go into that as a kind of joint venture? :) — Dsimic (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be happy to help with the LVM article. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great, thank you! I'll try to provide some kind of a "new layout proposal" for the LVM article in the next few days, and we can start from there, if you agree? — Dsimic (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a plan. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay, I've been sidetracked... Hopefully I'll be able to present the "new layout proposal" in the next few days. — Dsimic (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are in violation of Wiki consensus in your constant reversion without explanation. I carefully explained my reasons in the Talk section for reverting your original edit. You ignored the talk and went ahead and reverted or reinserted without responding, twice. Please see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. While this is not a policy, your continued reversion without discussion is close to an edit war. Tom94022 (talk) 00:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Please, let's take it easy, there's no need for running too fast. I do agree that I should've provided feedback first, but I was at the end of writing my quite long reply on the Talk:Data corruption, when you reverted my two edits. While I totally agree (and stand corrected) that it wasn't the best behavior from my side, you should've also waited for my response before deleting my edits (and you just reverted it once again before talking first).

However, let's move forward; I'll stop doing anything before we reach a consenus. Looking forward to discussing it further! — Dsimic (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've read your discussion and I understand your reason, on one hand you're right when you say that wikipedia is not a source code repository on the other when I googled Damerau–Levenshtein distance, I was interested into knowing what that was, its applications an so on but, on the other hand, I also needed to implement it in one of my programs, so it would have been very useful to have a runnable (and possibly well written) source code on hand rather than googling again and reinventing the wheel taking pieces of sources here and there (I built the algoritmh i published from various questions on Stack Overflow). So this is my proposal: I publish the source on one website like rosettacode.org or github and then I publish the link into the "External Link", section. I've just noticed that there is already a link to a C implementation on github that I skipped yesterday, but I've looked at it now and it seems way too complicated yto be useful (for example I don't understand why a function returning a distance between 2 char vectors never uses the char or char* datatype, I'm sure that a deeper reading will unveil all the mechanism that probably threats char vector as vector of unsigned integers and that in the end it will definitely work, but my implementation, taking simply the two char vector as an input seems to me much easier and clear)Alinoli (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Totally agreed on your "External links" proposal, please go for it, and there should be no rules against such inclusions here on Wikipedia. It might be bordering with the WP:HOWTO rules forbidding HOWTO's as external links, but an algorithm implementation could hardly be treated as a HOWTO, and there's already a bunch of such external links in the Damerau–Levenshtein distance article.

Regarding the already linked C implementation and no usage of char, they do use unsigned int instead (possibly for an extended alphabet), there's even a comment on top of the source file stating that: Note we use character ints, not chars. At the same, that implementation looks a bit inefficient, as they use a linked list for deduping and storing stuff, what involves linear searches every time. — Dsimic (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree -- posting source code to some source code repository, and then editing the relevant Wikipedia article to add a link to that source code, is a great idea.

I am unaware of any "rules forbidding HOWTO's as external links", although I often discover new rules I was previously unaware of.

Please give me a link to any Wikipedia policy, guideline, or essay that includes any such rule. Thank you. --DavidCary (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, unfortunately I seem to be unable to find that policy again; the best I can come up with at the moment are WP:LINKSTOAVOID (which doesn't explicitly forbid HOWTOs as external links), and WP:NOTHOWTO (which says that content of articles isn't to be in form of a HOWTO). Maybe I just got it wrong back at the time?

Ah, I know how confusing all those rules, guidelines and policies can be sometimes... There are even a few studies stating that Wikipedia is pretty much no longer growing in terms of getting a lot of quality new content, as not everyone wants to learn all those dozens of rules scattered all around. — Dsimic (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I thought from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Android_version_history#AOSP_vs_Android talk that one should not make any distictions between Android/AOSP, thus not distinguish between open and closed sourced software. Threrefore, Android as the end used know it is what is provided by Google, thus making screenshots of the GEL appropriate to represent the Android home screen. Looking at Android.com, images of the GEL is displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandabear123 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! This thread on the Talk:Android version history talk page hasn't received any feedback yet, though I partially agree with the proposal itself. Though, there was another discussion before (scattered around), concluding that we shouldn't be including screenshots of the Google Home (also known as Google Experience Launcher), as that's basically a closed-source application which can be running on any version of Android, not only on the "AOSP-like" variants. On the other hand, not providing those Google Home screenshots probably brings in a lot of confusion, as the readers are actually expecting to see them.

In a few words, that's still an open question, and I'd suggest we try first to gain some more attention on the talk page; I'll post a comment there shortly. In my opinion, the solution might also be to include two screenshots ("AOSP" and Google Home), but I'm unsure whether that would actually be a good solution. — Dsimic (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dsimic: I've been down with a bad cold since Jan 2 so haven't responded, but will in the next day or so. Thanks for being patient. You can delete this after u read it. Tom94022 (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! No worries, thank you for the notice, and there's no hurry... I hope you're feeling better now? Looking forward to making Data corruption article better! :) — Dsimic (talk) 22:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Android can technically be built upon any Linux kernel and was never limited to 3.4.10. In fact that version with the citation in the article is wrong. It's the kernel version for the HTC One ONLY. The Nexus 5 for instance uses 3.4.0. The Snap 800 note 3 also uses 3.4.0 with a slightly different revision. Older kernel versions are also used on KitKat, the second Nexus 7 has 3.1.10.

Some devices are able to use kernel 3.12 with proper sources. Even my i9001 runs 3.4.77. There is simply no standard/generic kernel version for Android, it all depends on the SoC, device and sources.

Sources:

• http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/nexusae0_one_kot49h.png
• http://mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/android442nexus5.jpg
• http://www.sammobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Screenshot_2014-01-12-20-03-13.png
• http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Screenshot_2013-12-09-13-35-43.png
• http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1617219

Yowanvista (talk) 11:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello there! Sorry if my edits sounded like me being lazy or something similar, it was only about the need for providing references while changing articles in such ways. I knew things were the way you edited the Android article, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where everything is about verifiability of the provided content.

Sure thing that Linux kernel versions are depending on the actual device, and pretty much any (recent) kernel version could be made to fit – it's all about what each manufacturer sticks with, and whether it wants to invest more time (and money) into porting whatever in-house kernel changes they've made, onto a newer version. Remember those infamous (from the security standpoint) changes Samsung had done to the Linux kernel, in order to support cameras on some of its cellphones? Not to mention the main differences introduced by Android's "fork" of the Linux kernel. As we know, once manufacturers do the required "hacks" just to make a device work with a specific Linux kernel version, they're reluctant to invest more resources into further upgrades, as all those different versions seem to be the same ish to their upper-level management. :)

— Dsimic (talk) 02:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What does the non-breaking space do? --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, improves the way content of table cells is wrapped, by keeping together compounds that include a space. In case you'd like to see more details about the inner workings, {{nbsp}} is a good starting point. — Dsimic (talk) 02:15, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right, and it all comes from the standard   HTML element. — Dsimic (talk) 02:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops sorry I don't know what happened, your link work, but when I did the change my browser (firefox) was jumping to the bottom of the page. --Dadu (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! No worries; you're right about the redirects to anchors not working properly sometimes, regarding the vertical scrolling of pages upon such redirects. I've seen that myself too on various redirects to the Android version history article, as well as on some other articles.

As far as I can tell, that's up to the anchors positioning being performed by using JavaScript code, not through plain anchors in URLs – and probably something becomes messed up with the vertical positioning because of those collapsed sections in the Android version history article. I'm not a JavaScript expert, but that could be debugged quite quickly using Firebug by placing a few breakpoints into the JavaScript code and tracing what's happening there. Maybe it would be good to post a MediaWiki bug report?

Also, please have a look at the discussion provided within the section which is now linked as see also above – in its second half, that discussion provides a further insight into the inner workings of MediaWiki redirects. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nikon sue only for the style, but IMO Nikon worry about Android OS, Nikon worry if something happen as mobile phone and mainly smartphone made compact camera sold only 40 percent than 2 years before, while 2013 DSLR sold is also declining. Thank you.Gsarwa (talk) 04:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! That sounds as a good possible further addition to the Android (operating system) article; are there any references providing such a description of the lawsuit? If there are such sources, Android (operating system) § Cameras section could be expanded further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you are looking for a new article to edit, I just created Ark OS. It's pretty minimal right now, and could seriously benefit from that magic Dsimic touch. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing, I'll have a look. By the way, I'm not a magician (wished I was one), but just a guy spending too much time at his computer screens. :) Also, regarding the previously mentioned Logical Volume Manager (Linux) article, that's somewhat on ice for now, but we'll get to its rewrite eventually. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed you're setting up column formatting for References and See also in numerous articles. This is all well and good. Would you mind marking these edits as minor to keep our watchlists reasonable? Thanks. ~KvnG 14:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Thanks for noticing on that, I've been thinking more than a few times whether such edits should be marked as minor or not; guess my dilemma is now resolved. :) Though, on my watchlist (currently 1,100 articles) I'm reviewing minor edits as well. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Re: your edit, what was shown instead of the matrix? I have MathJax turned on because it's more reliable and produces better-looking output, so I hadn't seen the problem. Sometimes, saving without changes can force the LaTeX output to be regenerated. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 20:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Instead of the expected matrix, this message was displayed in red (of course, you can log off Wikipedia and look at the revision in order to verify it):

Failed to parse(PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex and dvipng (or dvips + gs + convert)): \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 & 1 & 1 & 2 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 \end{bmatrix}

Tried a few things, including reducing the number of columns, and for some reason everything over 8–9 columns (or so) seems to result in this error. I really have no idea why – that's not a huge number of columns? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a matter of better language but of verifiability. "A frame begins with preamble and start frame delimiter, ..." implies that preamble and SFD are part of the frame which they are not.

Your source, clause 35.2.3.2 "The preamble <preamble> begins a frame transmission. [...] The SFD (Start Frame Delimiter) <sfd> indicates the start of a frame ..." is ambiguous – it doesn't really tell where these sequences belong to. Please take a look at the more basic clauses 3.1.1 and 3.2 which very clearly show and state that preamble and SFD are not part of the frame but the (largely neglected) packet: "A MAC frame starts immediately after the SFD." (3.2.2).

With respect to your preferences I'll change the phrase to "a frame begins after the preamble and SFD". Zac67 (talk) 18:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Thank you very much for pointing out sections 3.1.1 and 3.2 (from the 802.3-2012_SECTION1.pdf file), where the relation between Etherner frames and packets is clearly stated. Also, current language is looking good to me; went ahead and added a reference, followed by a small language cleanup. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great – I keep finding the same problem here and there, but we can surely weed that out. Zac67 (talk) 10:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing; I've seen your further edits correcting that in the Ethernet frame article, and I've improved and corrected the Start frame delimiter article so it clearly states the difference between Ethernet frames and Ethernet packets. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother you. I've spent over an hour trying to find the origin of {{Timeline Debian GNU/Linux}} as used in the main Debian Wikipedia article. It's out of date (and I think about to become more so), but I can't find the "source" with which to fix it. I see you take an interest in that Debian article, and are probably more skilled than I am on Wiki-matters, so I hope you can point me to the relevant editing page. Larry Doolittle (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! You're not bothering, we're all here to help each other. :)

That chart is a template, and it can be edited just as any other Wikipedia template or page. Just click on the above template link (which I've created in this edit), and you'll go to the template page where it can be edited as usual. I know it's quite confusing to get to those templates (and not documented AFAIK) – that's where the {{t|Template_name}} tag comes handy. Also, you can manually create and open a direct URL in form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:template_name.

Hope it helps. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:07, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That helps tremendously! I've already edited that template to include the 7.3 update. Thanks so much! Larry Doolittle (talk) 21:36, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't look like ThinkPad Tablet 2 is Android? Frietjes (talk) 23:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're totally right, it was simply my brainfart to get it included there, sorry. Thank you for catching it so quickly!

The same applies to ThinkPad 8, and I've already corrected that, while adding it into the {{Windows tablets}} template. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your "cleanup" of my edit on Intel HD Graphics, I was following the format mentioned to me by Paine Ellsworth (talk · contribs), who told me that {{redr}} should be used even if only one category is desired and that a line break should be put between the template and the redirect itself. Is there evidence that this is no longer the consensus? (I see now that WP:REDCAT mentions the line break but not {{redr}}; I'm not sure how regularly that guideline is being updated though.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there! Regarding my edit, the main intention was to have this redirect page using the {{R ...}} categorization syntax; basically, {{redr}} template is (still) just a proposal for a redirects unification and not officially suggested to be used, as visible from its documentation and WP:REDCAT. If {{redr}} template had become the offical way for tagging redirects, there would be bots automatically editing redirect pages thus making it used all around.

Regarding putting everything into the same line, it's somewhat common to do that if there's only one {{R ...}} tag – I've seen hundreds of such redirects (and zero redirects using {{redr}} template, by the way). I'm not saying that merging it into the same line is by the book, but it makes such "one-R" redirects a bit more readable, I'd guess, so editors tend not to put single "R-tags" into separate lines. IIRC, I've even seen a few bots placing these tags into the same line, while fixing double redirects etc. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since my name was mentioned, I suppose my "2 cents" is welcome here? Since there is no set rule on whether to use the {{This is a redirect}} (Redr) template or place Rcats on redirects individually, and since both ways accomplish the same thing in terms of categorization, then there is no reason why either method cannot be used. Most of the redirects I come across, whether or not they already have an Rcat or two, usually need at least one more Rcat, so I use the Redr template to tag redirects with up to six Rcats in one template. I suppose I may be a little biased since I've put so many hours in improving the Redr, but I favor the way it presents text over just to add the Rcats individually. I recently enabled the Redr template to take Rcat parameters as I explained in the documentation and am still looking for ways to improve it. I also made a comparison page so editors can see the difference. This has become more important now that the two bugs were fixed and text appears on redirects. I wish I could judge you and say its wrong to convert from the Redr template to individual usage, but I convert in the other direction whenever I get the chance, so I cannot be one to judge. At this point it is a matter of contributor preference, and even though I consider the Redr usage as a major advancement over individual usage, others' opinions may differ. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 14:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you're welcome – the whole Wikipedia was built by many two-cent contributions. :) As always, it's good to have multiple ways and different options for doing the same thing; the only bit unclear to me is that the official redirects categorization manual nowhere mentions usage of the {{redr}} template? Why is it so? Did it go through an extensive voting procedure to go out of the proposal state? Also, while looking at the usage and results differences, {{redr}} template produces somewhat "too blingy" messages on the redirect pages, when compared to the messages produced by {{R ...}} tags – though, that's only my opinion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If "blingy" means "gaudy", "flashy", etc., then perhaps it can be toned down, although it would be nice for you to explain exactly what you mean. For nearly all of the Rcats, the messages are the same whether the Rcat is deployed individually or within the Redr template. So if the messages are too blingy, then they are so no matter which method is used. The reason I have not added Redr to REDCAT is because up until very recently Redr had some limitations that needed to be improved, plus the fact that only last month the bugs were fixed and text was then allowed on redirects. If you'll check the oldest bug, T16323, you'll see how long it's been in the fixing, and little "warning" was given that it was about to be fixed, so until now there hasn't been any big hurry to improve Redr. As we speak I have almost completed the addition of another parameter that will fully enable {{R from alternative language}}'s parameters in Redr. A few more tests to make sure the expected performance is up to snuff, and I will deploy the new parameter. Then Redr's limitations will be few and far between. Keep in mind that I and others have been using Redr to tag and sort redirects for nearly six years, so even without its recent improvements, its utility has been excellent for all but a few applications. If it's blinginess from your perspective turns out to be in its usage of color, then if you like, we could try a different type of Mbox to get a less blingy color scheme? The "type" parameter choices can be found at Template:Mbox#Parameters if you would like to experiment with how the different types appear. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 02:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for a detailed insight! That longstanding bug #14323 is quite a good example of how much persistence is often required to make something happen. With all that effort going into the {{redr}} template, I'd say you should go ahead and include it into the WP:REDCAT once you feel it's ready.

Regarding the "bling factor", I'm not sure how important are my own aesthetics assessments, :) however I went and compared again two variants of the Intel HD Graphics redirect page – "R-tag" and "redr template"... On second thought, and after spending some time erasing the mental imprint of the {{R ...}} tags, I'd say that adding a 1em top padding to the message box would make a world of difference, as right now it sits too close to the redirect description. It's somewhat "blingy" when compared to the R-tag's output, but it's quite nice once that old imprint is gone – but still, that padding would put a cherry on top. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any conclusion I should draw from this discussion yet? (Paine Ellsworth, sorry for relying on WP:Notifications rather than notifying you manually.)

Is it worth formally proposing that {{redr}} is to be used iff multiple categories are desired? What syntax will be used for "{{R from alternative language}}'s parameters in Redr"? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, iff, thumbs up! In my opinion, it is worth proposing the {{redr}} template for official inclusion into the WP:REDCAT manual, once the last bits are ironed out; to me, its use shouldn't be limited to multiple categories only. Of course, all that only if Paine Ellsworth agrees. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's all good, SoledadKabocha. It's probably "high time" to add Redr to REDCAT, and I agree with Dsimic that Redr should not be limited to multiple Rcats. While I haven't yet come across a redirect that couldn't be sorted into at least one category, Redr is designed to tag redirects that don't need an Rcat into Category:Miscellaneous redirects. That cat now has 22 inhabitants, and while I haven't scrutinized them yet, I would bet I could put at least one Rcat on all or most of them. The sandbox version is ready to be deployed with the "to" parameter for {{Ralterlang}}, and I wonder if both of you would mind having a look? Not too sure yet about the minor addition of the small text at the bottom, which notifies that it is the This is a redirect template. Too blingy, maybe? Also, I have placed a non-breaking space at the top of the sandbox code that may accomplish what you, Dsimic, have suggested? It's elegance is a bit wanting; however, this may be better than spacing the top of the Mbox that probably has applications for which a top space would not be appropriate. Please do not pull any punches, as my main concern is to improve Redr. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 07:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PS. There is a ready comparison of live vs. sandbox at Template:This is a redirect/testcases. PS added by – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX!

I had a look at the sandbox version, and—quite frankly—the addition of "This is the {{This is a redirect}} template." at the bottom doesn't look good to me. I've never seen something like that on any of the Wikipedia's templates, and such kind of an "advertisement" (or a usage hint) shouldn't be there, as it's perfectly normal to have a look at the source code; if someone cares about it, the source code is already there, otherwise no ads would do any good. :)

Regarding the top spacing, it might be better to use a surrounding table or <div> element with the required CSS definition, as those might play better with the rest of the page elements, when compared to placing a more simple <br />. Also, including a simple <br /> actually creates a surrounding <p> element containing that <br /> in the rendered HTML code, what results in a vertical spacing much larger than the desired 1em spacing. Of course, no modifications should go to the already existing templates, everything goes into the {{Redr}}'s composition of them.

Just my $0.02. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an example, here's a table bringing the desired 1em top spacing, as described above:

{| style="width: 100%; padding-top: 1em;"

|-

| {{Redr}}

|}

Sorry if I'm overexplaining. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:48, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Undo you here. I just thought I accidentally inserted two blank lines. Beware that there has been some unholy MOS war about this issue, i.e. how many lines are allowed in the footer. (General pointer [1]) Someone not using his real name (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, it's just a newline character, nothing more. :) Interestingly, WP:STUB states that "it is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." Based on that manual entry, there actually should be two blank lines, leaving more vertical space before the stub template? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]