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Hi, Kyteto, you are invited to participate in Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article Hawker Sea Fury you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Hawker Sea Fury for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Minorhistorian -- Minorhistorian (talk) 17:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kyteto, please consider a return. Your contributions were very valuable to Wikipedia, and WP:AIRCRAFT cannot afford to lose an editor such as yourself. Please assume good faith on the part of Mufka with respect to his or her words. You and Mufka were talking past each other, and I consider it disheartening that a Wikipedian has retired as a result of a misunderstanding. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:13, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry Phil, but I really couldn't hack his increasingly personal comments about my attitude (which was frankly none of his business to be commenting on); I struggle to find the Good Faith in branding me ungracious and over-sensitive; and he certainly did not express an ounce of regret or conciliation either during nor after the fact. The only thing that I could do in the face of his.......contributions in my direction was to quit editing. I wish it had been a misunderstanding, but I really don't see some of the comments as having the slightest element of being constructive or positive. I didn't come here to be bullied by him, and there's no guarantee he's not going to make more needless (at least in terms of good faith), condescending, passive-aggressive comments. I can't come back, because I don't want to receive or to accept that shit. Before I forget, have a good new year, thanks for checking on me. Kyteto (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kyteto and all the very best to you for 2014. I would echo the above comments and pass on some advice from a book I received for Christmas ("An Astronaut's Guide to Life" by Chris Hadfield). When faced with personal attacks from a colleague, he realised that the problems were the colleague's, not his, and that they seemed to stem from the colleague's insecurity. "It was a happy day for me when that astronaut left the office, but in retrospect, I learned a lot from him. For example, that if you need to make a strong criticism, it's a bad idea to lash out wildly; be surgical, pinpoint the problem rather than attack the person." I know that these remarks would be better addressed to the other person in this case! Why not try to ignore the other guy's attacks - I had a spell of such treatment some years back and decided that it was his problem, not mine: water off a duck's back! I moved on to other areas. Whatever you decide, I am very grateful for all the excellent work that you put into the Lebaudy Patrie article, taking over when I had run out of ideas (secretly I had hoped that you would move it on to FA status)! I hope that I thanked you at the time! All the best for now. --TraceyR (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We'll miss you on WikiProject Aircraft. I hope that after a break you will consider coming back and work with us there some more. There are vexatious people everywhere, in clinical practice I learned that it usually turns out to be their mental health issue, not yours. - Ahunt (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so Mufka I don't think is going to do anything about this (and I don't think you should take his comments personally). With that in mind, what will get you to return? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 01:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year! Glad to see to back editing, Kyteto. Thanks as allows for your copyeditting and other editing here. Let us know if you need help with any articles (or this problem user if it continues). -Fnlayson (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back Kyteto, it's good to see you editing again. McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II has just been made an FA yesterday! Thank you for your 53 contributions. You should have responded to my message above, because I would've tried to get one of your most-edited articles to FA to get you to return. Cheers --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 06:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't want to respond immediately as I was off trying to find myself and what I enjoyed doing here again - It takes some time to think for me I'm afraid! If it's a challenging article to improve upon that you're after, I do happen to have just the thing; something that has been on my list of articles to overhaul since 2011. An article that I feel is really underdone considering its importance, the Airbus A300, the original aircraft produced and sold by Airbus. In my opinion, there are few articles I've wanted to overhaul left and this is perhaps the biggest one of the lot. If you feel like taking it on one day, let me know - I'll be happy to collaborate in finally working on getting it done properly. Kyteto (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking I'd get one of your Harrier articles (Sea Harrier) to FA, since I am familiar with the aircraft. Regarding A300, it might take a while for me to collect the print sources. What sources do you have on the aircraft? If you don't, please collect them and tell me when you're ready. Atm I'm leaning towards the Sea Harrier, since it's an interesting aircraft that I can handle. Thoughts? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 01:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the Sea Harrier would be a good bet - it is a truly iconic aircraft, and IMO is the definitive version of the Harrier, or at least my preferred incarnation of the type. The Sea Harrier was actually my first fight aircraft article I overhauled, roughly four years ago or so; it would be nice to return and elevate it with what has been learnt working on many others since then. Unfortunantly, my print sources are quite numerous and have been in storage since October, I would have to hire a van to move them to my current location and begin reviewing them. There's likely something in there, I don't even know as much a five per cent of the books in there; it was a big collection assembled by multiple people over 30 years... Kyteto (talk) 13:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, what kind of job do you do that would involve several people collecting books? Could you give me a full list of the books, *if* you can? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I only wish I had a full list myself; even if it only took five minutes to write down the details of each book, I'd be there for tens of hours - it could take a week or more of straight effort, there are half a dozen bookcases full of the stuff. I occasionally pull books out at random, and discover books on Polish Aircraft during World War One and other such wild titles. As I was not the person who collected but a few of them, I really do not know what is in there; and I'm currently more than a hundred miles away from that building. It isn't a job that brought me these books, just the unfortunate demise of more committed individuals than me - I would trade all those books and a hundred fold more to have them back, possessions are meaningless compared to people. Kyteto (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to hear that. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:02, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so we are looking at a cooperative project that seeks to improve several articles. Now I want to put a timeline on it so the project can be better managed. We've agreed to work on Sea Harrier and Airbus A300, and it looks like Saab JAS 39 Gripen could be added to the project as well. I propose that we get:

• Sea Harrier to A class by 31 March, and to FA by 30 June.
• Airbus A300 to GA by 30 April.
• Gripen to A class by 31 March.

What do you think? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think they're good targets. A great deal of content creation from scratch is needed on the A300, while the Sea Harrier is more or less the same as it was back when I was less skilled at article editing in 2010. The Gripen's a mature article that's pretty much ready to go, if it wasn't for the tetchy 'recentism' issues that dog present day fighters (The uncomfortable, and undue 'Failed Bids' section, basically) - I've seen some good proposals on how to resolve it though. My instinct says to go with the Sea Harrier first, a significant rewriting of the Development and Design sections is sorely needed. If you want to proceed with a Gripen nomination in the next few weeks, do note that I'll be unavailable for roughly ten days at the end of the month, work won't be kind on me at that point in time. Kyteto (talk) 01:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Sea Harrier is lacking in content. And the referencing needs to be cleaned up. The Gripen needs some restructuring because of as you said the recentism issue. You try to collect as many issues as possible, while I go through HighBeam and the Flight International archives to get a better understanding of the Harrier. I've also requested several print sources from my local library. It'd take me like a few weeks to start overhauling the page. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 03:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyteto, I moved much of the content you added yesterday to the JAS 39 article to the new Volvo RM12 page. I did give attribution in the edit summary, but if you want, you can add an attribution template to the RM12 talk page. If you want to restore any of the content I removed from the JAS 39, that's fine with me. I was just trying to keep the engine-specific content to a minimum to avoid redundancy to the new page. Anything you want to add to the new article is fine with me too, since you just did some research on it, it should still be fresh in your mind. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that, I approve of your changes. You've also caught some of my mistakes, which is also good. I had been writing on the assumption that the RM12 article did not exist, you have brought it back and furnished it in a most agreeable fashion. I was concerned it was getting too specific as well, moving the detail across to the dedicated article makes sense. I've made some corresponding changes, nothing major, to the Gripen's engine subsection. Thank you for contributing. Kyteto (talk) 16:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. - BilCat (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you like to work on the J-20 article? I need some help with the Characteristics, Engine section. The style for much of the article is written poorly, lacks a uniform tone, and is a amalgamation of several contributions. I already improved the article by a great deal, but there's still a lot of work to be done. thanks

Dark Liberty (talk) 18:22, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can certainly take a look at it and see what sections of it appeals to me; it would be a new style of aircraft article to work on. No promises, but I'll try and clock some time on it in the next few days. Kyteto (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Almost done with all sections except Stealth and Strategy, but I will need some assistance on the short Avionics and Armament sections. I haven't touched those yet, because of the nature of the material. Dark Liberty (talk) 08:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you so much for your help on the article. I spent a ton of time peering over your edits word for word, and they were excellent. The only changes I made were in the Robert Gates' visiting section because I wanted to retain the original context of the article, not because I wanted to override any edits.

I split the paragraphs a bit because the article is still new, and I did not want to cluster-fuck it together, haha. Otherwise, people will blame me for shortening the article (I already shaved more than 10 kilos off). We can always change that later on. Dark Liberty

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Hello,

I am doing research for a computer project,

How do I effectively re-write this section without having to state Gigabyte twice in the beginning of both paragraphs? I value your input on writing and style. I'm thinking of scrapping that long list completely, because it does nothing to convey meaning, and creating separate sections for a few important categories. Also, I think the two paragraphs could be merged if there is no important content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte_Technology

"Gigabyte designs and and manufactures motherboards on AMD and Intel platforms, and also makes graphics cards with AMD and Nvidia GPUs, including the Geforce GTX 880M and Radeon R9 290X.

Gigabyte's products also include desktop computer, laptops, tablet computers, ultrabooks, server motherboards, server racks, optical drives, monitors, keyboards, mice, cooling components, mobile phones, personal digital assistants, networking equipment, power supplies, and computer cases.

thanks in advance.

Dark Liberty (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the desired change to the wording, this sentence style avoids the un-ideal repetition you mentioned. This topic is a little bit outside of my usual expertice, but I'll be happy to answer questions and might make further edits - tuning the wording of something is more difficult without sound knowledge and understanding of a given topic; and I haven't studied into Gigabyte's history or product range by any means, although I have used a few of their motherboads in the past. Kyteto (talk) 11:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've been concerned over recent additions made to the A340 article by User:JacksonRiley; the sources cited do not support the edits he's making. On reviewing the recent history, I noticed you [expressed some similar doubts.]

Discussion on the talk page leads to nothing but hand-waving and doubletalk. Perhaps this new editor hasn't fully grasped the need for reliable sourcing and is supremely confident in his own internal views: laudable, but not quite the thing.

If you have a moment, could you give an opinion? JR's edits seem to be aimed at boosting positive mentions of Boeing products within this Airbus article. Thanks. --Pete (talk) 19:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for not involving myself to a greater extent on this, I just didn't feel like jumping into an edit-war with somebody who incapable of tolerating anything but 100% of their additions being placed into the article. The situation appears to have continued on regardless of the consensus of many other editors that has since been arrived at, I don't think I can do anything to change the situation - he's going to edit war regardless, sadly. I doubt he'll last long if he doesn't begin to take other editor's existences into account. Kyteto (talk) 11:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I disagree with the massive reversion you did to the GHOST (vessel) article after I added information. That reference story and text put in important backstory and added design information to it. You're able to change the text yourself if you see it's too similar to the reference story or if something doesn't seem to take an impartial view, but simply getting rid of it all cuts a huge chunk of information from the page. If you would, undo your edit and change what you feel isn't right. America789 (talk) 13:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because I had serious concerns that we were going to be sued. We cannot write 25 lines straight out of one source, some mouthing the declarations practically word-by-word. It's important to develop new content and this history, I agree, but this has to avoid direct copying, and some sentences were so close that I would find it very hard to dispute it being labeled as 'blatant'. I have restored the content, and taken the time to edit this - but it's not good enough in my opinion. The POV issues have been toned down and need to be addressed, the facts of other sources need to be woven into the section, and lines from this source should be expunged where unnecessary, replaced with content from new cites if desired.

It's way, way, way, way too much from one source, even now - and it cannot be left as it is currently. The work to clean it up can't just be dumped entirely on other editors either - an editor is the primary person responsible for their own additions, I don't particularly want to be running around with a pooper-scooper cleaning up legally-infringing messes and the originator not giving two tosses and not doing anything to clean this stuff up. Eventually, I get tired of silently cleaning messes of any size and scale, and in the cases of when a whole section is one big smelly copy-vio problem, I tend to favor removing it until its redrafted. Partly because the policy on potential Copy-Vio issues say we cannot leave these things in place and I don't think I'm up to solving it even with reasonable editing efforts, and partly because we don't want to be shut down when the owner presses a credible case against us. Kyteto (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm sorry, but I don't normally touch biographical articles of living people - there's a nasty legacy of legal ugliness which I don't want to dive into right now. It might be better to take this up on the article's talk page, or if you feel confident you can perform the edit yourself. Kyteto (talk) 12:02, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure why you re-added those two books as a further reading section. Neither of them deals primarily with the Acela, and they're both over a decade old at this point. (Vranich, besides being known as one of the most anti-rail zealots out there, completely misses the Acela's effects on modal trends and operating profits. Listing him is practically POV, though I doubt you intend it that way.) As far as I can tell, they don't actually add anything of value to the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just didn't like the reason given for the removal - practically speaking, every single 'Further Reading ' section on this site can be reasoned away as "not needed". Why does a source have to be published in recent years to be notable, I haven't caught onto why a source that's a decade old becomes invalid; I frequently call up books over 70 years old dependent upon the topic, I've encountered some texts written in the 1960s on an aircraft topic (for example) that couldn't be matched by anything in print today; why does the age matter? And a source can have a negative outlook upon a subject, not only those that praise the topic at hand should be included in an article. I didn't know of his negativity, but I wouldn't give that a reason for striking his work, and more than someone who was passionately for the system anyway. Perhaps it would be better to discuss this and for more editors to share opinions on the article's talk page? Kyteto (talk) 16:40, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I too use older sources at many times. My 1950s copy of The Railroad Station is one of my best. The reason that Vranich is less valid as an older source is that almost his entire argument is based on things that have completely changed since it was written. It's perhaps marginally useful as a look at how the Acela was viewed in 2004, but it's no longer a source that can be taken seriously. Additionally, both sources aren't primarily about the Acela, and their relevance there (rather than on the Amtrak article) is not obvious. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:11, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

re the deletion of a citation wrt this diff for article Aérospatiale Gazelle, this was because what I rewrote, that the Gazelle could carry four HOT missiles or a fuselage side mounted 20 mm gun, but not both was at odds with the previous version, which was that it carried both, and that the gun was nose mounted. It would have therefore been wrong for me to use the previous citation to support what I had written as I do not have access to that source and it would have been disingenuous, by ascribing something I believe to be true of being a fact verified by the source. If you still have access to the source and are satisfied that that source supports what is now written by all means let the citation stand. However, if what you read in the source does not agree with what is now in the article, either revert my edit, in which case the onus is on me to find a source that rebuts yours, or, if you now doubt the veracity of the source leave it out.--KTo288 (talk) 09:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It took less than five minutes to find this source online, it might have been an idea to try looking it up before concluding it was inaccessible. Anyhow the source specifically says "equipped with a 20-mm nose mounted cannon". The cite also covers other information in the section regardless. Kyteto (talk) 10:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then the source is wrong, the ALAT Gazelles, which is what this source is referring to, thanks for the link, had either the gun or the atgws. We don't have a good picture of it ourselves on Commons, but the picture here will give you an idea of how the gun was mounted.--KTo288 (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are we certain that that it absolutely must be incorrect and that other rational explanations could not exist e.g. there having been more than just the one cannon configuration used over the last 40+ years of service? Kyteto (talk) 17:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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