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I have done the review now  — AARON • ^TALK 15:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I left a comment at the article's PR. Looks very nice, good job! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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In line with your addition of 'Angevins' to the Royal Houses of Europe template, perhaps the infoboxs on Richard the Lionheart, John, Henry II etc need to be updated. At the moment they give their royal house as 'House of Plantagenet'. I'm unsure if some would consider this contentious or not - maybe some consensus should be sought on the House of Plantagenet talk page? I'm not exactly in the know about the subject, so it may just be a case of being bold and going for it. Sotakeit (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Willing to be brave on this one, but the whole question has been very contentious in the past! :-) Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you still want me to copy edit House of Plantagenet, or are you getting a bit impatient? I prefer to take my time when copy editing, to ensure that I do not make rushed decisions, but some others can copy edit much faster than I can. I'm still more than willing to do it, since that is a very interesting subject to me, but I don't want to delay your FAC longer than I have to... --Biblioworm 14:55, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Biblioworm:—I am happy with what you have done to date (although I occasionally raise an eyebrow at some of the edits). It looks great and would appreciate it if you completed it to the same high standard. So my answer is yes, please. I can wait, if we are going to get this right. What would be good would be if you could give a rough estimate of when you might complete the edit based on what you have learned to date and the amount of text to go? Thanks for everything so far, regards Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:31, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Norfolk. Unfortunately, I am unable to continue copy editing this article. Please see the note that I left on the GOCE requests page. Regards, --Biblioworm 02:02, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Norfolkbigfish. I've finished the copy edit you requested. Sorry again that it took so long. I'll keep it on my watch list for now. There are some comments and questions on the talk page. One point: several names are linked many times. As the article uses so many names, I think this helps to avoid confusion, so I haven't removed any (or not many), but this might be questioned at FAC. I'm not sure. Kind regards, --Stfg (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have finished editing the Owen Tudor page, as per your GOCE request for it to be copy edited. A few comments:

• At the end of the Background section you included the phrase "and to the end of that predominance." I could not figure out its place in the sentence, so I removed it. Feel free to add it back in.
• Clarify the phrases "Welshmen secured positions at the court," "steward of the king's court," "the liaison prompted," and "with a position in court". Whose court? Which king? What liaison? Which court?
• At the end of the Early Life section you included the phrase "to serve in France." I could not figure out its place in the sentence, so I removed it. Feel free to add it back in.
• In relation to Tudor's son, Jasper, you wrote that he "was attainted as a traitor in 1461." In the presence of the typo I assume you had meant to say something along the lines of "was branded as a traitor in 1461." If I distorted the meaning, feel free to change it.
• Clarify the meaning of "protection from the statute on dowager queen's remarriage". It would probably be best to elaborate on this concept where the statue is initially discussed, in the Catherine of Valois section.
• I removed the sentences about the family of Margaret, wife of Tudur Fychan, as it is not relevant to how Owen Tudor descends from Rhys ap Gruffydd, the purpose of the Ancestry section. I would not recommend adding the section back in, as it adds clutter to the article, however, you can add it back if you wish.

Otherwise, it looks great!. You should be good for a GA nomination. Hampton11235 (talk) 00:28, 25 June 2015 (UT

* Many thanks @Hampton11235: - that was well done. I'll address these points in the near future. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:34, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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...it is starting to look a lot better! Hchc2009 (talk) 14:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

...but unfortunately, it's too unstable for a full copyedit at this time. Please feel free to relist it at the Guild of Copy Editors request page when it settles. All the best, Miniapolis 18:51, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Thank you for this and your patience when the editing war erupted temporarily @Miniapolis:—great work. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:13, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm trying to ce Crusades, but the definitions don't seem to match the body text. The defs in two sections on the page seem to want to limit crusades to only those sanctioned by the relevant Pope, and then draw a further distinction between (sanctioned) religious actions and (also sanctioned) political ones. However, the pages also discusses shepherds' crusades etc. which seem to be only (non-sanctioned) popular movements. Thoughts? Change or explain definition (preferable) or remove popular movements (less preferable)?  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lingzhi:—thanks for the help. This one has caused massive argument on here in the past and also generally amongst historians. I suspect they do match but arn't worded clearly. What is called pluralistic really does cover the Papal sanctioned Crusades i.e. a crusade is any military activity sanctioned by a Pope for religious reasons. What is called narrower I think is any campaign by Europeans to recover the Holy Land in the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries which just about covers the popular crusades although of course they never even got there. I could source this to the OED. What do you think? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 08:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• If people have been arguing about this then yes of course we must source it to the best source(s) available. I will probably have some time tomorrow or maybe the next day to fix things according to your post here. Please do look over the lede and see if I screwed anything up other than the def of crusade. :-) Will keep working but am busy in real life right now. later!   Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:09, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• PS while I'm here the lede mentions poerty and songs 'n stuff but I don't see it in body text. PLease see other comments on talk page. More comments later. Tks  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I've actually done some genuinely nontrivial editing so far... I'm on vacation now, though. Things are slowing down here and I might have more time in the next few days to do more editing, but I can't guarantee that. So, I could mark the Crusades as "done" on the GOCE page, or we could just continue to play it by ear as we have been. What do you think?  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lingzhi:—I think play it by ear. You have already improved this article a great deal thx, it would be a shame not to complete what you can editing wise. Is this ok with you, though? Cheers Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:04, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I could mark it Done on the GOCE page but still continue editing later, maybe three weeks from now, after my vacation. At that time I would have much better access to computer time and reference resources. For the next two weeks or so I can make no promises about being able to do anything at all (tho I might find some time in there somewhere). OK?  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 16:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lingzhi:—OK with me, thanks for what you have done, have a good holiday!Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. I don't know what you want to do on the Crusades PR. Do you want me to help add missing info or make corrections or whatever as suggested at the PR? I may have already told you that I know exactly zero about the Crusades other than what I learned during ce the article. I have access to sources, and can track down info in many cases, but perhaps you might be more familiar with the information and the sources and so might do things faster and/or with better accuracy. I actually don't know if that's the case. You also seem to edit sporadically... Do you want help?  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lingzhi:—help would be great thanks Lingzhi as I edit when I can but don't have too much spare time for it. I can't claim to be a Crusades expert either, but have found it interesting. I knoiw what it takes to get an article through FAC and I don't think I have the capacity right now, though the article deserves it. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:14, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey. Auntieruth is actually Auntieruth55; you missed the numbers so your ping won't work, AND if you edit the name to add the "55" you need to delete the time/sig stamp and add a new one or your ping won't work again (for a different reason)... I am busy now but if no one else helps I might be free in a week or two. Cheers.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 13:40, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Hey. I just can't shake all the things going on & chores I have to do in real life. I am very sorry, but I don't think I can help with Crusades. I really enjoyed learning while editing it, so I might return again later, but.... just not now. Sorry.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lingzhi:—NP, good luck with all that proper stuff, and thanks for all you did. It was a great help. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:02, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Norfolkbigfish -- I hope you don't mind, but I made a few more edits tweaking your clarifying edits, all of which were definite improvements. There is one sentence that I still think needs attention:

• While Helen Nicholson argues that the increased contact between cultures brought about by the Crusades improved the Western perception of Islamic culture, it is difficult to compare the impact of the Crusades with other interactions between Europeans and Islam.

(a) Who says, or thinks, "it is difficult to compare..."?

(b) If not introducing the second of two simultaneous actions, "while" usually introduces a contrast. Here, I don't see a contrast, or, at least, the contrast is not clear. The first clause is:

• contact...improved Western perception of Islamic culture

The second clause is saying:

• difficult to compare...Crusades with other interactions.

The two clauses seem to have little to do with each other. Do you mean, perhaps:

• It is difficult to compare the impact of this increased contact to other interactions between Europeans and the Islamic world.

and, to make it even clearer, and make it clear that there are differences of opinion among historians,

• other historians say that it is difficult to compare...:

• While Helen Nicholson argues that the increased contact between cultures brought about by the Crusades improved the Western perceptions of Islamic culture, other historians say that it is difficult to compare the impact of this increased contact to other interactions between Europeans and the Islamic world.

But I still wonder about the necessity of introducing the idea of comparison here.

 – Corinne (talk) 14:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• @Corinne:—thanks for that, it made me think a lot for the sake on a sentence. I have edited and give it a go to remove the compare. What do you think? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A slight improvement. Here is the first part of the paragraph as it is now. I will number the sentences for ease of discussion:

• (1) Historians argue that western Christian and Islamic interaction was a significant, ultimately positive, factor in the development of European civilisation and the Renaissance. (2) Western perceptions of Islamic culture improved through many interactions between Europeans and Islam across the entire length of the Mediterranean Sea. (3) This makes it difficult for historians to identify the source of various examples of cultural cross fertilisation. (4) However, Helen Nicholson believed a significant contribution was made by increased contact between cultures brought about by the Crusades.

Regarding sentence (2):

(a) I don't think the interactions were between people ("Europeans") and a religion ("Islam"). They should be between two groups of people, two religions, two cultures, or two spheres of influence. You might get away with "Europeans and the Islamic world", or "Europeans and the people of the Islamic world", or "Europeans and the culture of the Islamic world", or "Europe and the Islamic world".

(b) You should have "the" before "many interactions". I also think it would help to give a time period, even a rough time period, here, perhaps at the end of the sentence, something like "during the medieval period", "during the Middle Ages", from the xth to the xth centuries".

Regarding sentence (3), "This makes it difficult for historians to identify the source of various examples of cultural cross fertilisation,":

(a) The word "this" is a little vague. It sounds like it refers to "Western perceptions...improved," and it shouldn't.

(b) I would re-word the sentence as follows:

• Historians thus find it difficult to identify the specific source of various instances of cultural cross-fertilisation.

I would re-word sentence (2), turning it around, and join sentence (3) to it:

• The many interactions between Europeans and the Islamic world across the entire length of the Mediterranean Sea led to improved perceptions of Islamic culture, but also make it difficult for historians to identify the specific source of various instances of cultural cross-fertilisation.

If you want to, you can put the time period after "Mediterranean Sea".

By the way, regarding sentence (1), it was I who added, in this edit, the phrase "ultimately positive" as I was re-wording it. You didn't change it, so I guess that means you approved, but I just hope it reflects the source; you might want to check; if it doesn't, you could remove these two words and the sentence would still make sense.

Regarding sentence (4), I think this sentence is related to sentence (1); in fact, it supports it. Why not move it, and join it to sentence (1)? There is no reason for the contrast expressed by "However". Would it make sense simply to write for sentence (1):

• Many historians, including Helen Nicholson, argue that the interaction between the western Christian and Islamic cultures was a significant, ultimately positive, factor in the development of European civilisation and the Renaissance.

(If you're going to indicate a time period for the interactions, it should be in this sentence, not the next one.) So, if you do this, the first part of this paragraph would read:

• Many historians, including Helen Nicholson, argue that the interaction between the western Christian and Islamic cultures [optional time period here] was a significant, ultimately positive, factor in the development of European civilisation and the Renaissance. The many interactions between Europeans and the Islamic world across the entire length of the Mediterranean Sea led to improved perceptions of Islamic culture, but also make it difficult for historians to identify the specific source of various instances of cultural cross-fertilisation.

Two sentences instead of four. Best regards,  – Corinne (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I like this @Corinne:—Thank You. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I added a "2" after "Crusades" in the section header to distinguish it from anther "Crusades" section higher up on the page.  – Corinne (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I am sorry it got archived, and that I was not fast enough with reviewing (I actually wrote down a couple of more points which I was going to post). Its an important article and it takes energy and time. If you plan to re-submit it in a few weeks, I can offer to finish my review in the meantime, so that I can support immediately once you re-nominated it. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 09:20, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• NP @Jens Lallensack: and thank you for your help. I do plan to give it another go, perhaps after the copyedit and working on some useful feedback provided by @Richard Nevell:. So I would like to accept your offer of help if that is ok with you. Probably best if you put your points onto the articles talk page—what do you think? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:29, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry it didn't make it through this time round, but I'm more than happy to keep discussing the feedback on the talk page. I might need the occasional prod! Richard Nevell (talk) 10:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Thank you, @Twofingered Typist:—much appreciated, excellent work. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:36, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there!

I’m not very active nowadays with work but I’ve noticed you’ve added a fair number of cn tags to the Angevin Empire article. I rewrote a fair amount of the article a number of years ago and so I would guess it lacking enough citations is in large part my fault! I will aim to go through it at some point soon and add the relevant citations. Luckily I still have all the books on hand that I used! Many thanks! SamWilson989 (talk) 00:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please read Wikipedia:Edit warring, especially its rules governing more than three consequtive reverts (WP:3RR), because you have just broken these rules ([2], [3], [4] and [5]). I also ask you to concentrate on the improvement of the article. We both dedicated plenty of time to it. I would not be happy if it were relisted. Borsoka (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please read Wikipedia:Edit warring, especially its rules governing more than three consequtive reverts (WP:3RR), because you are about broking these rules. You can ask for third opinion on the issue. Borsoka (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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WP:NPOV is a basic principle of our community. We are not here to push certain PoVs, but to try to provide a fair picture of all relevant scholarly PoVs. Your edits in the "Crusades" article, your methods of communication and some of your remarks about your fellow editors suggest that you are unable to approach this subject in a neutral way. Pushing a single point of view is a main pattern of disruptive editing and disruptive editing may result in a topic ban. Borsoka (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think you can edit the "Crusade" article? Identifying an Oxford historian as a PR manager may suggest that you do not have enough knowledge of the crusades. I assume that you actually read Prawer, but there are dozens of other historians who wrote books about the crusades. Actually, congratulations - you almost achieved a new FA. :) Borsoka (talk) 18:33, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Put the link to the PR manager you cited on your talk page Norfolkbigfish (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. He works as PR manager. However, his book was published by the Oxford University Press. Borsoka (talk) 02:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My question is still valid. During the last two months, you may have realised that your limited knowledge of the crusades prevent you from properly summarize scholarly views. Almost half of the sentences in the old version of the article contained original research or original synthesis ([6]). With your remarkable communication skills and social intelligence you almost achieved a FA promotion, but during the last two months you have been able to make few edits which did not contain new pearls of original research or original synthesis. I emphasize that I am willing to cooperate with you, because your literary skills are outstanding, especially in comparison with my primitive English, but you must be exhausted. Sorry, but I have been working with people for decades, so nice sentences containing false information can rarely impress me. Borsoka (talk) 02:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am really tolerant and patient. However, you are unable to make edits without making new errors. Are you still sure that you should edit the article? Borsoka (talk) 13:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. I am more and more convinced that only a topic ban can solve this problem. Borsoka (talk) 14:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(not a warning or anything heavyhanded) Wikipedia is a place where people who are passionate about things often need to collaborate. That passion is A Good Thing, even if it leads to disagreement. To keep things as calm as possible and help everyone focus on deciding the often difficult disagreements, just comment on the issues and not the other user's manner, style of editing etc. I know that policy gives a fair amount of latitude in this area, and we all feel justified sometimes, but everything works much smoother if you take this advice. (Click the link in my sig for more on this type of advice). --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point Dweller—my mistake, I'll bare that in mind. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 12:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to bung this on your userpage:

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Click here --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:38, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for identifying the source of the material in your edit.

This type of edit does get picked up by Copy Patrol and a good edit summary helps to make sure we don't accidentally revert it. However, for future use, would you note the best practices wording as outlined at Wikipedia:Copying_within_Wikipedia? In particular, adding the phrase "see that page's history for attribution" helps ensure that proper attribution is preserved.S Philbrick(Talk) 13:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Norfolkbigfish,

I saw your GOCE request for Historiography of the Crusades, it looks like a very interesting article. Please let me know when you nominate it for good article, I would love to review it. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will do @Iazyges:, thank you. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 22:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges:—just tagged Historiography of the Crusades as a GAN. Let me know what you think, it is tidier than it was but as it is a bit of a niche subject it doesn't get much attention from other editors. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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You did not identify the source of the material in [here your edit]. My guess is that it was copied from Crusades

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In addition, if my supposition is correct, could you add the addition as explained at the link? S Philbrick(Talk) 11:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC) ______[reply]

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Today you wrote about six sentences in the article about the crusader states. They contain two serious errors and a minor mistake ([7]). I do not want to mention your remarks about Tancred's princely title. After reviewing your edits for more than six months, I am convinced that your edits do not improve articles about the crusades or crusader states, but destroy them. Coming through pages and negligently summarizing their content can hardly be described as editing. I know that you were made believe that you could write high-quality articles about the crusades. I think you have already realised that editors who have read dozens of books about the crusades and their historiography can detect the obvious limits of your knowledge with ease. I kindly ask you to consider my previous advice and improve your skills in articles with more limited subjects.Borsoka (talk) 16:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. Most Wikipedia users deal with their compatriots in a polite fashion. Some don't. I may pick up the article, but only after everyone has moved on. In my experiences here and in business is that some one person needs to step up and rewrite these things. I've been in that position a few times, mostly successfully, but when the powers-that-be decide they don't your stuff, it's just too much bother to fight it. If you're trying to edit an article that they were the original author, forget about it. Back to the article, my current thinking is to follow Srnec's suggestion to have a separate, more detailed article on Medieval Sources. Adding all the material that needs to be there into this article would, I think, be overwhelming. I would add a section on archaeology in the original article, but other than that the structure seems sound. My only concern is that the new article would be flagged for immediate deletion as there is already an article on the subject. I've only thought about is cursorily and there may not be enough for a separate article, but I think there is. If I decide to go that route, I'll let you know. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 19:46, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Assise sur la ligece has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

In the final sentence with word "balliage" appears. I was completely unable to find a meaning for the word except as an alternate spelling of a word referring to a specific woman's hairstyle, which I suspect has no relevance. Perhaps, if you know, you could add a definition in brackets following the word.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for appreciating my recent edits. I think you deserve a drink down at the Fat Cat for your efforts on the article, and medieval history in general. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:59, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Amitchell125—that sounds good, maybe when this Covid madness dies down Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:31, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Norfolkbigfish,

You say there was a consensus on Talk:Crusades to split this article but I see only a very long discussion from February & March 2020 and no RFC discussion or any recent discussion at all. Where was this consensus arrived at? And why did you undertake this large, bold move today? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. I am shamelessly after a favour. I realise that it is outside of your normal area, but I have Third Punic War at FAC and was wondering if you had the time and inclination to give it a look over? If not, I entirely understand. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gog the Mild-I'll try and find some time to have a look it over. With the caveat it is not a period I am too familiar with. Looks like it has go a bit convoluted already!! Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that that is a surface impression. It is being reviewed by two subject experts, so there is much thrashing out of detailed issues. But these all seem to be getting resolved amicably. This is my twelfth FAC from the Punic Wars, so I am confident that it will all get sorted out. I would actually like a review from a non-period expert, even if a little superficial. I worry a that we may be assuming knowledge and that it may not read too well for the mythical "ordinary reader". So comments on grammar, flow and "what does that mean?" would be welcome.

If you could give it a skim I would appreciate it. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but the article from the Catholic Encyclopedia Itineria and Travelogues of Palestine are where I got the terms. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 23:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Norfolkfish--I'm getting considerable pressure to spilt this article, which I have done twice now, and any further splitting would be detrimental. I know you've chimed in before on the issue of article length vs. readable prose. So what ever you can do would be appreciated. Dr. Grampinator (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Grampinator, FWIW I think you are doing a remarakable job on the sources suite of articles, in the face of some epic WP pedantry. I hope I am helping rather than hindering, let me know if not. RFC is intended to get some fresh eyes on the subject, which I hope will apply WP:COMMONSENSE. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I can't decide if the amusement factor of all of this is greater than the frustration factor. (I have to be careful about what I say as the DWS (deep Wikipedia state) is apparently monitoring our Talk pages.) I was hoping someone would confess to the view that there should never be a largest article, but no one would bite. Nevertheless, the good thing about this little exercise was that it focused my attention on the whole picture. I never wanted to write on modern historians as I was really focused on the medieval and classical ones, and didn't know much about them other than the usual cast of characters. Plus I though that the references would just be links to Amazon. But I was pleasantly surprised and am learning a lot. I did move all of the 20th century stuff to the modern section and created a new one on archaeology, which needs to be beefed up with some material from the Sources page. The new article is under 600k, so I give it another 24 hours before the calls to split are renewed. Thanks for your input. [Memo for the Record: This post is for informational purposes only and is not intended in any way to influence any current or pending Wikipedia actions by the owner of this page. The undersigned believes his/her actions are in full co