User talk:Stu.W UK

Hi. I declined your prod nomination of this article because of the link in the article. The team may very well not be notable, but I think we should go the WP:AFD route to establish this - I won't mind at all if you choose to nominate it as such. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 13:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, hope you can help me out on this. I went to nominate the article via WP:AFD but once I'd followed the first recommended step I found the article had previously been successfully nominated for deletion. Am I able to renominate for speedy deletion on these grounds? If not, can you talk me through how to alter the AfD nomination so that the deletion discussion redirect leads to a new page, not the old archived one? Thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 18:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Rather than using {{subst:afd1}}, use {{subst:afd2}} (or 3, 4, or whatever, as appropriate). The process is described on WP:AFD. It could be a speedy candidate as recreation of previously deleted material, but only if it is substantially similar to the originally AFD'ed article. It seems a lot of time passed since the deletion and the recreation, so it may be different enough, so a new AFD is probably the way to go. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here!} 06:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, have now AFDed it. Stu.W UK (talk) 14:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} Having moved a page from Nagaland national football team to Nagaland football team I wanted to fix pages that link there. Looking at 'what links here' gives a series of pages that don't link there at all. Any ideas why? --Stu.W UK (talk) 14:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look and respond soon --  Chzz  ►  14:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK; if you go to Nagaland national football team, it will redirect you to the new name, but at the top, in small letters, it says, "Redirected from Nagaland national football team". If you click on that, you'll be on the actual redirect page, which is just 1 line.

Then click on "what links here", and you'll see the list of pages. They link to the redirect, not to the new page.

Hope that makes sense?

And, if you don't want to edit all those pages, don't worry - a 'bot will should pick them up and change them automagically in a few days.

Hope that answers? Thanks, --  Chzz  ►  14:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; the problem is though that those pages don't link there! Most of those pages were using a similar template, but Nagaland is no longer on it. Could it be related to that? Stu.W UK (talk) 14:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking again, will reply soon --  Chzz  ►  14:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This one puzzled several of us for a while - I couldn't work out why I couldn't find it anywhere, using advanced search. I thought it was a backlink in the image, but that didn't fix it. However, we think it's just a caching issue with the wiki servers.

From WP:WHATLINKSHERE; "if a page's links change due to a change in the template, the backlinks for that page are not updated immediately, but via the job queue."

So I'm pretty sure it will just take time for the servers to update their links. Please wait for 12 hours; if it's still a problem, please let me know.

Thanks, --  Chzz  ►  16:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks very much. Sorry to cause trouble! Stu.W UK (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Also, if you do a null edit on one of the articles, it disappears from the list, because when you save it, the templates are refreshed. --  Chzz  ►  16:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} There are 4 useless articles on pseudonational football teams that I think needn't exist as they have not yet played any matches and are of little notability. However I do think it would be useful for them to redirect to the NF-Board page as they are members of that association and that would be the only thing that conferred any notability on them whatsoever. Should I just AfD them or is there another process to go through. These are the pages fyi

Maasai_national_football_team | Chagos Islands national football team | Rijeka national football team | Wallonia national football team | thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 15:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'd bring it up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football and see what they suggest.

(Someone is currently helping me w/ the other issue)Now done --  Chzz  ►  17:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--  Chzz  ►  15:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 15:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please can I ask that when you nominate an article for deletion, you add an appropriate edit summary for the AfD log. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion: Step number three suggests you use a summary such as "Adding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NominationName]]". This makes it easier for those watching the log to easily access discussion pages. A blank summary isn't very informative or useful. Thanks! Jenuk1985 | Talk 14:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, will do from now on. Sorry! Stu.W UK (talk) 14:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) Jenuk1985 | Talk 14:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the template needs tidying, but that element of technical twiddling is something I haven't get very involved in.

I think my preference would be to have the sections as continental sections (maybe with Spain/British Isles/Rest of Europe as three separate sections, given the number of teams in those two categories), as that would make it easier to know what section to look in for a particular team: maybe superscript numbers within the section to indicate the categories that you have used.

There is a problem about the non-exclusiveness of categories, such that 4 teams are duplicated.

I also have an antipathy to negative definitions: the teams who play in my local park on Sunday mornings are not registered with FIFA or the NF Board either, so I would prefer something like non-national representative football teams as the header for the box.

But I don't want to be negative: what you have done is a great improvement on the existing template, and certainly of "Wikipublishable" quality. Kevin McE (talk) 19:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken the liberty of creating on that same page, and hiding inside <!-- comment marks -->, a proposal based on continental groupings. Kevin McE (talk) 20:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for that, I've tweaked that a little and added the result; would be great to hear what you think Stu.W UK (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like what you've done with Europe, not sure about the "competing internationally" title (the defunct teams are not competing). Kevin McE (talk) 00:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about 'unaffiliated international teams'? My problem with 'non-national' is that some of these teams are representing sovereign nations, and most of them would consider themselves to be representing a nation of some sort. Other than that, would you have a note about the confederation memberships some of them hold? And once I've addressed those issues, what's the best way of replacing the current template without winding someone up? Stu.W UK (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep: that works for me as a title. I have no strong preferences over whether the confederation affiliations are labelled or not, but would suggest that now that if so they are grouped geographically those affiliations (I'm assuming that you have been able to verify them since your query on WT:FOOTY) should be explained within their collapsible section.

As regards how, there are WP:BOLD or discrete methods. The WP:BRD model would say it's OK to just change the template, with suitable editnote or talkpage explanation, and then delay and discussion is only necessary if anyone reverts it. More subtle, and given that it is not a case of urgently correcting an obvious error in this instance, I would suggest a note linking to the proposal at the talk age of the template that you would replace, another at the talk page of list of non-national etc etc or another relevant article, and maybe also at WT:FOOTY, and allow 5-7 days. Anyone who doesn't raise objections or proposals in that time frame has little to complain about. Avoid forked discussion: conduct any debate on one talk page, and send editors from other talk pages to that one. Good work. Kevin McE (talk) 07:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} I'm trying to learn how to use navboxes. In my Sandbox I've created a navbox using collapsible groups (see the last of the 3). I want to be able to add notes to each individual group, rather than just using the <below> command as I have for the note about defunct teams.

Also, is there a way to make, for example, the 'Europe' group display uncollapsed on all the pages for teams in that group, with all the other groups collapsed? Hope that makes some sense, thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 00:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's a really good guide to this, in Help:Collapsing - I came across it when struggling with similar issues the other week. Well, actually I found it about an hour *after* I'd spent ages solving the problems...but - I think it will answer your question. If it doesn't, of course ask again, or come and talk to us live :-) --  Chzz  ►  01:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would use IRC but the java on my laptop keeps messing up at the moment, so hopefully you're watching this page! Unfotunately that didn't seem to deal with my issue, it was more about using tables whereas I think this gets a bit more complicated (sorry if I'm wrong!) Stu.W UK (talk) 01:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't watch pages; watchlists with over 1000 items confuse me. But...I'm looking into the tables thing now - I understand the q, so stand by, I'll try to find a way. BTW, Java IRC is rubbish anyway - far better to get a decent IRC client, like mIRC for example, and use that. More soon, --  Chzz  ►  01:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your 2 questions re. collapsing tables. Good questions. Am working on it. --  Chzz  ►  02:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, after much playing around, it looks to me like you have 2 specific questions;

• 1. How to have separate reference lists for sections within a transclued template;

Answer: use grouped refs; Example solution: User:Chzz/stu1

• 2. Collapse sections of a table depending on cat membership

Answer: No idea; don't think it can be done

So - maybe I answered half of your question? --  Chzz  ►  03:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} I have edited this navbox following the standard navbox template so that it is collapsible. However, on those pages that feature a box below this one- here, here and here there is a space. Any idea why, or how to remove it? Thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 22:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again :-) No idea why it's doing that, but I understand your problem. Let me have a play around in a test area, and I'll get back to you soon.  Chzz  ►  22:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chzz, sorry to keep you busy!! Stu.W UK (talk) 22:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry; I can't find an answer, so I've put the helpme back. I thought it was related to the use of |under, but apparently not. I don't have more time to spend fiddling with it yet, so I'm hoping someone else might have an idea. Chzz :  Chat  01:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for trying, much appreciated Stu.W UK (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't even bother. Only four people on the whole project know how to properly muck with templates. (Kidding.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 01:24, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{helpme}} Could you please explain how I can alter my userpage so that the 'languages' userbox is below the Babel one, and the 'personal' userbox is where the 'languages' one currently is? Thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 00:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I'm not much good at that sort of thing. We're really focused on helping people edit etc. I will try and ask friends to help you, and I expect you could find out from WP:USERBOX or something. Personally, I don't use them - I just edit articles and suchlike :-)

As I said, I'll try and solicit more help from others.

Best,  Chzz  ►  00:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chzz, you're frighteningly quick at this! I'd personally be more than happy with just editing articles, but I felt I had to have something there and this seemed an easy way to do it - or so I thought! Stu.W UK (talk) 00:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, :-) I know what you mean; I'm not totally averse to it all, as you can tell from the fuck-off-huge "shutdown wikipedia" button on my talk.

And hey, if you ever need ideas on what to do, just ask :-) How about this - loads of UK places need the geo coordinates adding. Articles on places etc should have the x/y coords of where they are, for cool linkys with maps etc. So - take a look at Category:England articles missing geocoordinate data. Maybe look at some place you know. Google it, look on maps...find the geo-coords (eg from Yahoo), and then add this to the page;

{{coord|<lat>|<long>|display=title}}

Remove the {{coord missing|Greater Something}}

Job done :-) World better, folk with mobiles for years to come will be grateful for your contrib :-)

Best,  Chzz  ►  00:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Re. your Q...'languages' is under babel - maybe you moved it? To move 'personal' to 'languages', you would move this bit;

{{Userboxtop|Personal}} {{User:Scepia/geopolitics}} {{User:Yozzer66/userboxes/No Kings or Queens}} {{User:TAnthony/Userbox Gay}} {{User:Apollonius 1236/userboxes/Libertarian Socialism}} {{User:Bluedenim/Drugs}} {{User:S.dedalus/Richard Dawkins (God)}} 

up to just before the {{Userboxtop|Languages}}

I expect.  Chzz  ►  00:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Might well start adding geocoords for the pages listed here when I get the time. Thanks for help with boxes, think it might just be dependent on browser settings etc. To be perfectly honest I can't be arsed to do any more with it than I have already although I bet that'll change when I have some procrastinating to do! PS red cunt hair? Really? The things you learn from wikipedia... Stu.W UK (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. These Korean clubs are known as senior football clubs. Some of them paticipated Korean FA Cup qualification. You will find some of these club in some season of Korean FA Cup. the other clubs are competing various regional tournament in South Korea. In this page (sorry, I can't found English page. It's Korean page), all football club registered in KFA are shown by region. Thanks. Saint9016 (talk) 02:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that part is automatically added for later use. Cheers, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Feel free to ping me if you have any more question. Regards, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Will not work as FIFA attributes Czechoslovakias results and honours to both the Czech Republic and Slovakia. And seriously, I can't see the problem with showing the articles we have that fit the criteria of a template, its the system used on probably all sports. Fasach Nua is trying through some twisted logic (such as thinking he's making a smart point saying every version of a national team ever played is defunct) to hide articles readers will want to have easier access on, just as we don't hide the of the former leagues we shouldn't hide the national teams. And merging articles such as USSR/CIS/Russia I imagine could cause uproar by editors from other former Soviet Republics, there (as its used wiki-wide) seems to be a consensus for having separate articles for the countries that split into two, just as we keep articles on Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia we have articles that cover the national teams that represented them. And I have proposed to Fasach Nua on multiple times to propose merging of the articles but he's so far ignored it (because he probably thinks a proposal wouldn't go through), so until the articles we have on former teams don't exist anymore, they should not be hidden. chandler ··· 14:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the fix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brothercanyouspareadime (talk • contribs) 03:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Stu.W UK (talk) 03:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. I don't think red links should be remomved from navboxes, they show that an article is needed and shows the coverage of navbox's topic (even unlinking is better). Cheers. Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I declined your proposed deletion of this page. The references seem to establish that it exists, and if it is an official team of the island of Tobago it would appear to be likely notable. I'd suggest that you take the matter to AfD if you wish to pursue it further. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Restored from deleted Talk:Saint Croix official football team See alaso my comment at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Talk:Saint_Croix_official_football_team --Tikiwont (talk) 13:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This comment is in response to the decision to delete this page.

I guess it may seem a fair option to delete this page, if these tournaments are not deemed notable. But I am not sure why they are not deemed notable. The tournaments were reported in the local newspapers of the time, some of which are available with a careful search on the internet. I can give links to reports on the Virgin Islands Championship as well. There is no question that they took place. The Leeward Islands Tournament was certainly notable, and has a history spanning over 50 years. It was the main international competitive outlet for the islands of the Leewards group until around 10 years ago. To that end, why, for example, are any small island teams notable? They are notable because they represent that island in international competition. Deleting any record of their existence appears a bit unusual. For example, the Leeward Islands tournament has provided the British Virgin Islands national team with their only ever international honour. To them it is certainly notable. 92.18.158.143 (talk) 23:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, hopefully this page won't be automatically deleted as the talk page of a deleted page! I nominated the articles for deletion because I couldn't find much evidence that the competitions themselves were notable even in the leeward islands and/or virgin islands. If you have evidence of news reports of these games etc please provide them because that would show notability. I'm happy to help get these recreated as long as it can be shown these games happened and the teams were notable. For more on notability and verifiability on wikipedia, reading guidelines WP:N and WP:V may be useful. Stu.W UK (talk) 20:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll go with some news reports of the tournaments:

Just a note - the main reason these tournaments are not well-known is that they ceased to be competed for in 2002, and internet resources in the Caribbean region were not exactly great pre-2002, even less so in the smaller islands of the Leewards group.

Leeward Islands Tournament

First one, naturally, from FIFA - it doesn't get any more notable than that.

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/goalprogramme/news/newsid=91138.html

"A couple of years ago, St. Kitts and Nevis won the LIFA (Leeward Islands Football Association) championship, beating Antigua — a bigger and richer ::neighbouring island with whom they have a long-standing and not always cordial sporting rivalry — in the final."

*Note - this may have been talking about any of the last 7 stagings of the tournament (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001 and 2002 - not held in ::2000) - in all of these, Saint Kitts defeated Antigua in the final.

http://www.islandsun.com/2003-September/26092003/sports5-v11i18.html

A report from a local British Virgin Islands newspaper about the end of the Leeward Islands tournament due to political problems. Also mentions the Virgin Islands Championship, to be held in December 2003 in Virgin Gorda.

http://www.islandsun.com/2001-November/301101/sports4-v6i14.html

A preview of the 2001 Virgin Islands Championship, mentioning that it will be used as the qualifying tournament for the Leeward Islands tournament.

http://www.islandsun.com/2003-January/03012003/sports1-v9i20.html

"Virgin Gorda wins VI Football tourney: After playing to a 1-1 regulation tie, Virgin Gorda used penalty kicks to beat Tortola 5-3 to win the 2002 Virgin Islands Football Association Tournament title, in the tournament held in St. Croix."

http://www.islandsun.com/2003-November/21112003/sports3-v12i06.html

http://www.islandsun.com/2003-December/06122003/sports2-v12i06.html

Organizers reschedule weekend Virgin Island Football Association tourney

“We are trying to set a standard where the tournament will be better and we’ll get to play more soccer among the four islands”

http://www.islandsun.com/2004-June/12062004/sports1-v13i11.html

Report mentioning the honouring of players for their service and the 1986 Leeward Islands tournament champion team (British Virgin Islands) - mentioning that it was (and still is) the only international honour won by the team.

http://www.islandsun.com/271199/sport4-v3i9.html

Match report from the 1999 Leeward Islands tournament match between Saint Croix and the British Virgin Islands (won 3-2 by Saint Croix).

http://www.islandsun.com/2002-January/19012002/sports2-v6i20.html

Report outlining the pre-Leeward Islands tournament preparations of Tortola (here called Team BVI, although it should be Tortola, who won the right to participate by virtue of winning the Virgin Islands tournament). They went on to play the full national team of FIFA-member Dominica (and lost 4-1).

http://www.islandsun.com/2003-January/10012003/sports3-v10i01.html

Report about Virgin Gorda's concerns that so few of their players were being considered for the combined British Virgin Islands team (Tortola and Virgin Gorda). Also mentions post-Virgin Islands Championship victory celebrations in Virgin Gorda.

"Morton [Virgin Gorda Football League president] was ecstatic about the response from the Virgin Gorda community who came out on Dec 23 in a 60-car motorcade followed by a party "We thank the Virgin Gorda public and all those who sponsored us with the party," Morton said. "The players were very pleased. It was the first time we have had a motorcade celebrating a victory in Virgin Gorda. They players were above themselves."

http://www.islandsun.com/2000-october/191000/sport4-v4i26.html

Report mentioning squad selection for a Leeward Islands qualifier between British Virgin Islands and Anguilla. Even the qualifying competition for this tournament gets a mention.

There are various other reports from the Virgin Islands Daily News (US Virgin Islands) dating back to the 1970s, all mentioning this tournament, and football is even less popular there than on the British Virgin Islands.

One such example is here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mg1OAAAAIBAJ&sjid=7K0DAAAAIBAJ&dq=st%20croix%20and%20soccer%20and%20leeward&pg=4556%2C2474424 92.18.158.143 (talk) 05:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll take a look at these and get back to you Stu.W UK (talk) 23:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you (PS - My original correspondence was anonymous because I couldn't remember my password at the time) Mcruic (talk) 09:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's been over a week, any news on this?Mcruic (talk) 10:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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