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I have inserted progressivism, as it would seem to clearly pass muster based upon the above noted criteria for inclusion, namely: "There are two criteria for inclusion: one being the existence of political parties, parliamentarians etc. the other is its role in the academic debate on political philosophy". There are certainly a large number of progressive parties, both historically (the Progressive Party(s) in the US) and contemporary (the New Zealand Progressive Party, the United Progressive Alliance in India, the Progressive Unionist Party in N. Ireland, etc). As well, progressivism has always had a salient role in both academic debate and classrooms worldwide. I see no reason not to include this school, especially given the inclusion of communitarianism and christian democracy, which are arguably more vague and obscure ideologies.--Jackbirdsong 03:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree let us look at your arguments:

1. there are little specifically progressive parties. The New Zealand Progressive Party and the Progressive Unionist Party are democratic socialist according to wikipedia. The United Progressive Alliance is an alliance (and not a party) of parties none of which are progressive. The only progressive parties are a historic third party phenomenon in the United States therefore it fails this criterion. Note that the List of progressive organizations also just lists American organizations.
2. I've never heard of progressivism as a political philosophy. I've check Kymlicka's handbook, (Contemporary Political Philosphy) which does not mention it. It has only 15,400 scholar.google hits (only 10% of the required 150,000). Therefore it fails this criterion.

Failing the criteria for inclusion means that it should not be included. C mon 07:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, scholar.google(beta), which you have linked to in Dutch, has only 11,000 hits for communitarianism (less than that of progressivism), so I fail to see the consistency in that requirement (have all of the other philosophies been held to the same criteria you mention above? And, out of curiosity, who conceived this criteria?). Secondly, despite my own subjectivity, and with all due respect, I find it astonishing that you've never heard of progressivism as a political philosophy. I've certainly heard a lot about it, both in public debate, as well as in my college political philosophy course, and I would appreciate another opinion (as again I will readily admit to my own subjectivity) on whether anybody else has heard the terms "communitarianism" and/or "christian democracy" more frequently in their life than "progressive" or "progressivism", or vice-versa. Secondly, there are no more specifically "progressive" parties than there are specifically "nationalist" or "communitarian" parties (though despite Wiki's definition, if you go to the New Zealand Progressive Party's official website, you will see the term "progressive" everywhere, and I did not see the term "social-democratic" once). Much like these ideologies, progressivism is a branch of political thought that many liberal, green, social-democratic, and socialist parties adhere to (surely the other philosophies on this list blend and split at times, its not necessarily so black-and-white as "specifically this-or-that"). Beyond that, the hanfull of progressive parties I have mentioned above are only a few examples, and research will provide plenty more: if we were to cite all of the political parties worldwide that either call themselves "progressive", or are a part of the larger progressive movement, we would have enough info for a lengthy article right there. I hope I don't come across as trying to push info into an article that it doesn't belong in, and I'll gladly concede the point if its deemed as such, but maybe if we could get a broader concensus it would generate more objectivity. Thank you.--Jackbirdsong 23:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let me address your issues specifically:

• I conceived the criteria (see here
• If you read the description you will notice that an ideology must either meet the first criterion (at least two parties which are explicitly progressive on two different continents) or the second criterion (a index which combines google.scholar hits and mention in Kymlicka's handbook). Progressivism fails on both.
• I don't want to play on the man, but where do you study (specifically country). I study phillosophy and political science in the Netherlands and take courses specifically in English-language political philosophy. There main debate is between liberalism, libertarianism and communotarianism. I have never read a text by "progressive" philosopher or a party manifesto of a "progressive party". Could you mention me one specific progressive philosopher?
• Your claim is that progressivism unites social-democracy, liberalism and green political thought. Can you base this on external reliable sources or is it just your intuition. Second doesn't the fact that these are included and progressivism not strike you as odd. Maybe progressivism is of a different level and should not be put on a template where it is equal to social democracy, liberalism and green politicsl.

C mon 07:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your points, and I think the problem is largely semantics- the term "progressive" has been used in lieu of "liberal" or "left-wing" recently in North America due to the negative stigma given the term "liberal" by conservatives, despite the fact that progressivism is a distinct political orientation. It is true that pehaps progressivism falls into a different category than these other ideologies, as progressivism is a broad spectrum of thought which encompasses:

• social justice
• democratic efficiency and egalitarianism
• environmental responsibility, et al.

so many political ideologies may fall under the general umbrella of progressive thought. My point is that there are certainly many parties worldwide that are considered, by their own description, progressive (the New Zealand Progressive Party calls itself progressive on its own website, rather than "social-democratic", which they aren't in a strict sense. As well, most Green parties embrace every single aspect of progressivism, and call their policies progressive, but just have a new name for the movement: Green). I study at UCLA, in Los Angeles, CA, in the US, so as I said earlier my opinion may be more subjective, as this is the founding nation of progressive thought, but the ideals and tenets of progressivism have influenced countless nations worldwide, and can be seen in the policies of countless international parties. For a list of progressive scholars, I would reccommend the progressivism article, under the subcat. of "progressive advocates". People such as Noam Chomsky, George Lakoff, William Kelleher, etc. are a good start. Again, this may be too broad a spectrum of political thought to be included on the list, but as it has been so unquestionably influential to so many of the ideologies that are on the list now, and has such a large following, both in the US and elsewhere (places like Australia and New Zealand use the term frequently), it would seem justifiable IMHO to include it. If you don't think it merits inclusion, that's fine. I would still appreciate another editor's opinion on the matter before we close the case, as this is a community encyclopedia. Thanks.--Jackbirdsong 21:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would this nav box be better as a footer? Most of the pages it is used on have 1-4 other nav boxes and this nav box is more of a list of general topics rather than details on a specific topic (sort of a "macro" nav box as oppposed to a "micro" nav box, if you will). I would propose something similar to:

Please feel free to edit accordingly and provide feedback.--Old Hoss 21:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support it for readability reasons, as you explain above. Fishal 12:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Since there has been no opposition, I will begin changing the template later today or tomorrow. I will also remove this template from all pages that are not listed on the template and instead replace it with a link to the Political ideologies page under the "See also" section of the respective pages. Before I change this template, I will move the template on each page it links to to the bottom of that page. Since this involves quite a few pages, I wanted to post this before I began in case some one has other ideas.--Old Hoss 16:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There has been considerable discussion on the issue of the collapsable sections of templates about ideologies, such as {{Social democracy sidebar}}, {{Christian Democracy sidebar}} etc. I created a centralized place for discussion about this issue here. I invite every one to participate. C mon (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added Utilitarianism with a chapter in Kymlicka and a 112,000 google hits, it meets the criteria. C mon (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I came to this template because I've never heard utilitarianism described as a political ideology before. Kymlicka certainly doesn't, and I think that it is a problem to use his book as a basis for determining contemporary political ideologies when it is about academic philohopies. While Geertz's problem of "I have a social philosophy; you have political opinions; he has an ideology" should be kept in mind, the fact that Kymlicka himself does not equate ideology and philosophy should be reason enough to question the presence of something in his book as a standard for inclusion here.

The emphasis in this template appears to be ideologies that are prevalent in contemporary politics, and utilitarianism seem to be the only entry that does not meet that criterion. There are no programmatically 'utilitarian' political parties, for example, despite the fact that you may be able to describe the actions of some in this way. I have removed it from the template. – SJL 15:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't any anarchist political parties either, and too little feminist ones to merit inclusion on the template, that's why we have the complicated system with three criteria for inclusion, which utilarianism meets. C mon (talk) 10:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing adding Pirate Politics to the list as it has been growing mostly in Europe, such as Czech_Pirate_Party and Pirate Party (Iceland) but also has been active in Australia and Japan. Previously also represented in Canada but defunct as of 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trikipedian (talk • contribs) 21:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]