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Have you heard of the Stop Snitchin' T-shirts? If you have, then you know the increasing popularity on them! The link comes directly from the source. After victim advocates, political officials, Bill O'Reilly and myself (of course), realize that the content in them are highly offensive especially towards people who are on trial trying to testify against someone. I mean I am a firm believer in the First Admendment, Fourteenth Admendment and the United States Constitution|Constitution but there's a line drawn when they use those T-shirts for threats against plantiffs and proscuators! If you get the chance, could you update the Made Men/Almighty RSO article. Al-Aywsam is a clothing company affiliated with Benzino and The Source. I can't do it tonight but I'll find some more content on the article as soon as possible. Thanks. LILVOKA 8 December 2005.

I'll look into both of those. Thanks for the link, and keep 'em coming! Bill shannon

Hi Bill. I was just looking at your new Fearsome Foursome article. I'm not too good on football history, so I'm not going to touch the article in this early stage, but I did find this page that reports that it was a group of Lions, not Chargers or Rams, that were the original FF. What I'm curious about is whether the term itself is original to football commentary. I know it's used in some pretty old comic books too, like the Fantastic Four and Batman, but it's such an obvious alliteration that it might be older than football and comics. In any case, it's only a matter of time until someone adds a non-football quartet to the page. -Meegs 20:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you heard, BENZINO goes after JULIA BEVERLY former photographer and writer to OZONE MAGAZINE and this will be the "Nail in The Coffin" for his sexual harrasment lawsuit! Give it a listen you'll hear some most interesting and yet inappropriate statements from Raymond Scott. Here's the article that sparked the situation "The Most Successful Extortionist"Here's a blog site critical of The Source is The Bible Of Hip Hop! LILVOKA 23 December 2005.

You don't have to place multiple categories on the articles. You can make one category and make into subcategories. I mean is like you don't have to place Category:Mascots and Category:Sports mascots onto Staley Da Bear's article if it is in Category:NFL Mascots. It will be cluttered. In addition Category:Mascots and Category:Sports mascots pages would be cluttered. It is best to organized articles into certain subcategories. I fixed your Category:NFL Mascots by making it into a subcategory of Category:National Football League and Category:Sports mascots. In addition, I nominated your category for renaming because you're not suppose to put abbreviations on categories and just like Wikipedia headers: Capitalise the first letter of the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest lower case. Thus "Rules and regulations", not "Rules and Regulations". I just want to give you future information regarding categories. --J. Nguyen 04:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that The golden age of hip hop is up for deletion. I wonder what you think of this. P.O.N.Y. 17:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whats up? Hi, I'm trying to gather some more interest and support for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music. Please check out the topics and lets get our WikiProject to function better. Recently, I've taken an interest in the Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop and I consider that WikiProject to be better developed. I am now writing to usernames on the hiphopWP who might be interested in helping with the punkmusicWP. Hopefully we can all work together to improve articles relating to punk as has been done well with hip hop. Finally, I am trying to gather support and opinions concerning the punk house article and specifically the Theta Beta Potata article which is currently in AfD (x2) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theta Beta Potata (second nomination). Please check it out and voice your opinion. Xsxex 09:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, the source that was cited was actually Wikipedia itself, as the link that I added was a direct link to the list itself. As the link included has been verified and sourced, this should be sufficient. Thanks Bill shannon (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to introduce inappropriate pages to Wikipedia, as you did at ‎1st Independent Spirit Awards, 2nd Independent Spirit Awards, 1986 Independent Spirit Awards, 3rd Independent Spirit Awards, 1987 Independent Spirit Awards, 4th Independent Spirit Awards, 1988 Independent Spirit Awards, 5th Independent Spirit Awards, 1989 Independent Spirit Awards, 6th Independent Spirit Awards, 1990 Independent Spirit Awards, and 27th Independent Spirit Awards, you may be blocked from editing. Please add this info at Independent Spirit Awards If you need guidance on how to create appropriate pages, try using the Article Wizard. DreamFieldArts 5:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

This is not "disruptive editing" in any sense. The listings for the awards (including the Template are terribly inconsistent. The films of the 1980s and 1990s direct to the year of the ceremony (not the year), and the list of the 2000s and 2010s direct to the year of the films (not the ceremony). This is unacceptable and needs to be corrected. I have not deleted any information, and have only clarified the situation by making all articles uniform by listing them as "1st," "2nd," "3rd," etc., as well as adding disambiguation pages. This is absolutely acceptable, ESPECIALLY since several of the entries don't even exist yet. I added the 1989 and 1990 (fifth and sixth annual, respectively) listings myself. There is absolutely nothing disruptive about my edits.--Bill shannon (talk) 05:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Template talk:IS Awards Chron for more information. --Bill shannon (talk) 05:18, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These articles should be subsections under the article, Independent Spirit Awards. Please do not create more new pages. DreamFieldArts 5:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I am copy/pasting the information under their new names (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.) and then changing the original pages into re-directs. There is no duplication of information; the disambiguation pages are similar to those for the Academy Awards (see 2010 Academy Awards). These pages are incomplete and inadequate in current form. --Bill shannon (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Look how much info the Academy Awards have and look how much yours have. And the Independent Spirit Award don't compare to the Academy Awards. DreamFieldArts 5:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The disambiguation is not important to what I am talking about. The info you give is not needed for a new article, but fine for a subsection. DreamFieldArts 5:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. I'm going to dispute resolution with this. --Bill shannon (talk) 05:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These are unneeded articles, just make them a subsection. NOTE: I am not tagging your articles for speedy deletion, I am advising you to contribute them as a subsection, and not as a new article. DreamFieldArts 5:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

These would not work as a subsection, because each individual ceremony has its own page. It would not work under the global Independent Spirit Awards heading. I did not create these pages, all except two (1989 and 1990) predated my involvement. All I am doing is streamlining them so they are consistent and won't conflict when all years are completed. These pages have been around for years, and each year/ceremony is its own article. These corrections would not have a place under the main article. There are separate articles for each Super Bowl, Major League Baseball season, Academy Awards ceremony, etc. It is perfectly reasonable to not only let these pages exist, but to make sure that they are correct, well-formatted and that there are no conflicts. Most of what I did was copy/paste. And I wasn't done with the project. --Bill shannon (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...That's odd. I immediately thought what you were doing was spam, because in Twinkler they came up a new pages one after another which looked like spam, and since they were showing up so fast. I just believed it was in best interest to make them subsections. But as you say those pages were already created, I can't really do anything about it. DreamFieldArts 6:15, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I never threatened that you would be banned. When I said not as big...I mean the article size...The Oscars Page is to big to include every single one, as the ISA page is quiet small and readers will not feel like they are reading a harry potter novel. I never said stop adding pages or you will be banned...I said please stop making new pages...as we needed to figure out what the right resolution was for this problem. DreamFieldArts 6:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

In the future it would be appreciated if you would ask questions, rather than ordering people to stop adding pages. I am a long-time Wikipedian, and have added hundreds of articles, and none of them frivolous. I am not a spammer, and I take my duties here more seriously than most. I am going to continue to work on the project until further notice, as I think it is a good one. I agree that the ISA's are not as prestigious or as big as the Oscars, but they are an event, a worthy one that have lasted for over a quarter of a century. And I am not writing a "novel" for each one; they are simply the list of nominees and winners. Thank you. --Bill shannon (talk) 17:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I recommend to you to do something...and I never forced you. As you have the first amendment. But, I perfered you to stop until we figured out a resultion to your problem. Disambougations are fine...I just believe it was in best intrest to make them subsections instead of main articles. I never ordered you to do anything. Never deleted you page. I just gave suggestions. Warm regards, DreamFieldArts 18:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, with due respect, you threatened to have me blocked from editing. (You have somehow removed this from the archives, but I saw it last night. It had the big hand and said final warning.) I understand the need to stop spammers and people acting in bad faith. I myself have asked for the removal of several articles that were clearly just copied from advertisements. I understand you have a tough job. But your very first contact with me (at the top) was "Please stop your disruptive editing," but had you done a little investigation, you would have noticed this was not disruptive, and that I am acting in good faith.

I understand you are doing your best in a tough task, but perhaps before you order (yes, you did order me to stop editing with the threat of being blocked, I would appreciate if you just admit this) someone to remove their pages, perhaps look at their edit history and see if they look like a spammer or a sock-puppet. I am clearly neither, and have the best interests of this venture at heart. So perhaps before you hit the Speedy Delete button by default, do a couple cursory steps of research to see if the person looks like they have done this before, as I have for almost 7 years. Just because something is not notable to you, doesn't mean it isn't notable to someone else. (The Independent Spirit Awards, while not on par with the Academy Awards, have been going on every year for 27 years, and are broadcast live on television. I personally like having a list of the nominees/winners on Wikipedia.) A lot of us know what we are doing, and Wikipedia will die without the contributions of the hundreds of thousands of us, so let us do our jobs. Thank you.

Best,

--Bill shannon (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I never put your articles up for speedy deletion...ever! I suggested a merge, which you can neglect if you want. About the final warning, yes I did post a final warning to your page. But by accident, I was going to post it on the page Tilfery, but by accident it ended up on yours. Sorry about confusing you with that. Wikipedia is always about bettering the world, and helping people. DreamFieldArts 18:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification on the final warning, that's all you had to say. --Bill shannon (talk) 18:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Bill,
I see that you have asked for formal mediation because of problems you are having with co-Wikipedian DreamFieldArts on creating pages for the individual Independent Spirit Awards. Although I do believe that he (he acts in good faith, as that is one of the pillars of Wikipedia (assume good faith) but I do think that he seems to know only the Speedy Deletion button. Because of this I posted a long long letter on his talk page. Because DFA cleans up his Talk page these comments from me might get deleted after some time - so if you can't find my comments towards him please check out this archieved page.

I send you this information as you might like to refer to it during the upcoming mediation request in which you ask for mediation between you and DFA. I hope that the mediation will solve your issues.

Just as a background note: DFA nominated an article I wrote on Rijkman Groenink for Speedy Deletion. According to him RG wasn't noteworthy and because I thought (and think) that RG is more then noteworthy enough I contacted DFA, and this discussion lead to him removing the SD nomination. But if you have just spent a lot of time in writing ones article it is very disappointing if you shortly thereafter see this posting on your Talk page and/or finding your article in THIS state. As said: I did start a discussion with DFA on his talk page (if cleaned up see: this archieve for the original discussion).

Good luck with the mediation - I really hope it works out for you, Tonkie (talk) 13:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your help on this. Indeed, it is supremely frustrating to do so much hard work and then have someone arbitrarily threaten to get you blocked. (DFA deleted that part from my talk page.) Anyone who did a cursory look at my work would see that it isn't spam. And although I've never heard of the person you created an article for, that doesn't mean the person isn't noteworthy. There are literally hundreds of thousands of Wiki articles of people I've never heard of; how are we supposed to learn about them? Thank you again for your tips and moral support, it's greatly appreciated. --Bill shannon (talk) 17:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bill, your friend DFA reacted to my comments. His main excuse is Befelh ist Befelh (my interpretation): it's his job to act like a teacher who rips up a paper of one of his students because it is crap. And as it his his job it will never change.
Really lots of luck with your mediation: don't think it will lead to anything: he knows he is right, and apparently the 4th of the 5 pillars don't apply to NPPers. Tonkie (talk) 18:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tonkie, I read your comments (kudos to you for keeping your cool) and his responses, and to be honest, I have to respectfully disagree with you that he's acting in "good faith," because I feel like he is trying to be the artiber of what is notable and what isn't, as if one person could somehow be a master of all subjects. He completely deleted his threat to have me blocked from editing, and then denied it, so there seems to be a good deal of "cover your ass" here. I am just going to continue editing as I was (and I was on a real roll too, before he screwed up my mojo). He is the only Wikipedia editor I've ever seen that actually wants to reduce the amount of information on the site, rather than expand it. (He is already trying to merge pages that have no business being merged). Again, I appreciate the moral support here, it's good to know that someone else is doing the right thing. Editors like him are the reason that a lot of us get so frustrated that we just stop adding/editing articles altogether. --Bill shannon (talk) 18:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where I come in on the "unremarkable person," is that when I first started out, I created many people pages...but they were all deleted in the thought that they were unremarkable. I felt fusterated...and I know how you feel. But how I was treated, is the rules that I was told to follow by, which I do. As Tonkie says he wrote me a message on my talk page so we could work this out. We did and I removed the tag, that I now new how he was a remarkable man. DreamFieldArts 18:27, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your open-mindedness on this subject, DFA; my request to you is that before you assume that someone is unremarkable, ask yourself two things: 1) might I not know who this person is because he/she is outside of my scope of knowledge? and 2) Is the editor one who has a good track record, and acts in good faith. I understand you are trying to do the right thing, but your delivery comes off as shrill, unwelcoming, and quite frankly a little rude. If you look at my history or Tonkie's history, you will see that we have been doing this for years, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. Just dig a little before you request a delete. Thanks. --Bill shannon (talk) 18:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do dig a little...I actually Googled the man Tonkie was talking about, but the results I recieved were Florida. But after looking further I found out that it was his company, and I removed the tag. Remember I never tagged you articles for deletion. DreamFieldArts 18:50, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

fwiw, I have also made a related comment about improper use of speedy on DreamArts talk p., though not in connection with the above articles. DGG ( talk ) 18:56, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DFA: Please don't delete other people's comments on my talk page. Let's just let this go, ok? --Bill shannon (talk) 19:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DFA says he Googled Rijkman Groenink - I did the same using Rijkman Groening language=english And I get quiet some relevant answers, so I really don't understand why you didn't get any usabel replies — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonkie (talk •

I did google him...but it came up that he was not netherlands but in Florida. I had to dig deeper.DreamFieldArts 23:508, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

@DFA (decreased indent as it became hardly readable): Late reaction, but yeah: you probably should have digged deeper. Google is a great search-engine but sometimes it tries imho to hard to think for you by filtering for your location/language and even automatically routing you to your local Google (when living in the NL or using a workstation with a non-US OS on it it goes always to your local Google, even when you select google.com (in stead of google.nl for Netherlands or Google.ie for my current country). And also the results of a search differs: when I set up a proxy or a VPN gateway in the US I get different results then when working locally.

And when digging but not finding anything directly youd could try another search-engine like Bing or one of the many tools that use 10+ search-engines and then create an output/report based on the results of the combined search.

@Bill - I continue to differ from opinion about good faith: I continue to think that DFA doesn't do what he does to disrupt Wiki, I think that in his mind he really thinks he is doing the right thing. That he makes errors and that he should have learned from them and not continue on the way he was doing is maybe a fault of him (and one you can blame him for) - but as he does communicate with you [and me] to defend his actions is for me a strong indication that his intentions are good, but that he needs more experience and guidance in it [happy to act as some sort of mentor if you want that DFA]. If the intentions were bad he wouldn't react on your questions. Tonkie (talk) 07:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Tonkie: The more time that has passed, the more I agree with you. I think that the approach is what threw me off. I have experienced some conflict with Wiki editors who have wielded their influence in a way that says "I am an authority, don't question me." This is why I am leery of those who simply dismiss ideas out of hand or revert without discussion. What DFA does is important (eliminating spam, slander and waste), but I would hope that his first move when questioning the notability of something would be to ask rather than immediately accuse someone of disruptive editing. Also, deleting a paper trail is sketchy, so I would advise to keep all communication history until the dispute is resolved. Otherwise it looks like you're trying to cover your tracks. Good talk, fellas. --Bill shannon (talk) 17:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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