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Hi -- I saw your note at Talk:Carbon accounting/GA1 and had a question. Are you referring to labelled section transclusion? I had a quick look in the climate change article and couldn't see where it was used if so. I agree that would be a reason to keep citations in the lead; another argument I've heard is that if you're not going to transclude a section, having the citations is helpful when you want to use a lead as the basis of text in another article. However, I think most of the time when an editor cites the lead it's not for those reasons; it's just because they don't realize it's optional, so I usually mention it in GA reviews, particularly if it's a user without much GA experience. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mike Christie, no I meant this kind of transclusion from the lead of an article to another article: You can see it quite well in this article: . Whenever someone transcribes the lead of Article A to Article B, it's useful if the lead of Article A has its sources visible. I actually think the guidance for the leads in the MOS should be adapted accordingly and strongly encourage inclusion of sources in leads. - Thanks for doing that particular GA review by the way. Very important work! EMsmile (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion a whole sections with an explanation that contradicts itself[edit]

Hello! You deleted, pardon, removed two new sections I wrote ("Magma ocean" and "Earth's outer core") because you are "not convinced this content is needed here. We don't need to mention any kind of term that has the word "ocean" in it, when the core topic of this article is clearly spelled out in the first sentence: salty water on Earth.". Then, what the section "Extraterrestrial oceans", which are obviously not on Earth, is doing in this article? Will you delete that section as well? Your argument contradicts to this very article. "Extraterrestrial ocean" means "ocean that is not on Earth". And "two types of oceans" is not equal to "any kind of term that has the word "ocean" in it". You are not convinced, well, sorry, but I am convinced. There is a whole article about the magma ocean, and it needs to be mentioned here for readers, as a link to the "Magma ocean" article, so readers can get more info about the magma oceans by clicking the link in the "Magma ocean" section. And yes, a magma ocean is an ocean, read the "Magma ocean" article, readers must be informed that other types of oceans exist, not only those of "salty water on Earth", no matter of your personal opinion.Bernardirfan (talk) 17:14, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bernardirfan, this doesn't belong on my talk page but on the talk page of ocean. I will copy it to there and reply there. EMsmile (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ThanksBernardirfan (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you![edit]

You are fire
Thanks for the much-needed cleanup at Wildfire. It seems like you have experience with improving and narrowing the focus of broad-topic articles—thanks for all your hard work! Wracking talk! 02:45, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, User:Wracking your message made my day!! I haven't had an uplifting messages like yours on my talk page for a while, so thank you. :-) More work still needs to be done with that Wildfire article - I ran out of steam and brain power towards the last quarter of the article. Hoping someone else will assist or I will get back to it next week. EMsmile (talk) 07:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

climate migrant page[edit]

hi EMsmile

I am a student at Rice University and I have an assignment for my poverty, justice, and human capabilities course to edit a Wikipedia page related to class. I was hoping to edit the Climate migrant page but it looks like you are in the works of editing that page. Are you still working on that page? It looks like it has been a while since your last edit. I wouldn't want any of my work on that page to be erased.

I am interested in the topic and wanted to research more and make the wiki page more accessible for other readers. Please see my talk page posting about it. User:Squinn10

Do you think we can take a collaborative approach to editing this page?

Squinn10 (talk) 01:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Squinn10, thanks for reaching out. I am no longer active on that article, so no problem with regards to stepping on my toes. There is by the way a very useful add-on tool called "Who wrote that?" where you can easily check which content was added when and by whom. See here: I am in principle open for collaboration and can give you some guidance/feedback along the way. I'll be honest with you: my experience with working with students on Wikipedia editing is a mixed bag. Very often, the students end up doing very little useful work on the Wikipedia article, and a lot of it has to be reverted later. Occasionally, a student does amazing work. There is no way of telling in advance which student will end up in which category. ;-) You reaching out to other Wikipedians is a great start. Having a mentor on Wikipedia is also useful. - All the best! EMsmile (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deforestation to Meitei culture[edit]

Hello! I saw you moved some information from deforestation to Meitei culture recently. I was expecting about a discussion (regarding that if you wish) with the wikipedia community before doing such a massive change. I was pretty saddened by such a hasty personal decision. Well, btw, if you want to move, Meitei culture itself is a vast place, and I don't think it's an appropriate target. Better move it to a more specified target like Meitei mythology or Meitei folklore. And if the topic might have been about the Greek or Roman or Egyptian or other popular cultures, I don't think anyone would have such an idea to remove it from there. 🥲😔 Haoreima (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Haoreima, yes I removed it, together with a lot of other content that needed removal. Sorry that I didn't start a discussion about it first but I didn't think it would be overly controversial. In my opinion it was not WP:DUE, e.g. having that long poem there. This is a high level overview article which had ballooned into an article that was digressing into all sorts of detailed side stories. Sure, no problem if you want to move that content from meitei culture back to Meitei mythology, or elsewhere. I had moved it to meitei culture because that article had been linked from that section as "main" or "further". - And if there is content that is overly Europe-centric I'd have no problem removing that either; please suggest which section should be removed. EMsmile (talk) 07:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. This shouldn't be on my user page but on the talk page of deforestation, so I'll move it to there. EMsmile (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Several months ago I volunteered to under take a review of Bioenergy. I think that I managed a single edit before the real world, in all its wonderful ways, took charge and my editing rate went down to below one edit a day. I am still on a long slow path of recovery but it looks increasingly unlikely that I shall be able to contribute anything other a few house-elf edits until mid March 2024 at the earliest. Apologies to you and to all the other editors who may have been holding back awaiting a major review. I really hope that I will be able to make a significant contribution in due course but at present I need to continue fighting off the virion hordes. Many apologies  Velella  Velella Talk   23:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Velella thank you for letting me know and sorry to hear that real life events have had a negative impact on you! Wishing you all the best. Could you (or should I) also leave a short note on the talk page of bioenergy so that the other editors there know not to wait for you for now? It's quite possible that nobody would progress it for another half a year anyhow but you never know. The theme complex of bioenergy, biomass (energy), biofuel is difficult to tackle but would be so important to get right. EMsmile (talk) 09:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Before I open a sockpuppet investigation[edit]

Hey EMsmile, before I open a sockpuppet investigation is there are legitimate reason it would look like this account and Chidgk1 are run by the same individual or otherwise engaged in coordinated or tag-team editing? You're both older accounts so I am extending this as a courtesy, I generally just open the investigation and see what people have to say. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, what makes you think that I and User:Chidgk1 are the same person? We are not. What do you want me to do to prove this to you? I find it a very strange proposition actually. What could have caused this suspicion, I wonder? We often edit the same articles because we are both active on WikiProject Climate Change, just like others in this project, e.g. User:RCraig09, User:InformationToKnowledge, User:Clayoquot etc. EMsmile (talk) 18:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Both accounts spend a lot of time editing the same pages at the same time. I grant that the spread of pages could be explained by an interest in the same core topic area but here's what the editor interaction analyzer looks like [1], are you familiar with how to read one? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also active in the Climate Change area, and I don't see many similarities in the style or intent between these two editors. EMsmile is probably the single most active editor in this area in terms of number of edits, and probably many of us would have somewhat high interaction correlations with EMsmile's edits because our discussions often involve mostly the same people. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @EMsmile:@Chidgk1: thank you both for the additional context, nothing wrong with any of that and looking at it with the additional context it does look like more a walled garden of scholars writing the same books situation than anything nefarious. Please accept my apologies and feel free to point anyone in the future who brings up the same question my way. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for reconsidering. They certainly seem like different people to me. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 20:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Replaceable non-free use File:Time series of atmospheric CO2 at Mauna Loa.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Time series of atmospheric CO2 at Mauna Loa.jpg. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of non-free use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of non-free use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

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Hi Wcam, it's been a while since I uploaded that file but at the time I had convinced myself that it's compatible. Finding another graph for the CO2 content is probably easy, but it's those pH value curves that are less easy to come by; and especially not in this combination (pH and CO2 in the same graph). I'll add this to the file description page now. I'll also ping User:RCraig09 and User:Efbrazil who are far better with graphs on Wikipedia than I am. EMsmile (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Chart is 15 years outdated, and on first inspection I don't see a clear or credible assertion of implied licensing or fair use, and I'm surprised this chart has survived over a year.
However, charting atmospheric CO2 growth and ocean acidification may be a worthwhile goal. I don't think it would be prohibited WP:SYNTHESIS to get data from two sources and simply plot them together. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. At first glance, Fig. 13.4 at is a US Government publication (generally free use) that's only five years outdated (NCA4). There may be more recent graphics. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PPs: At second glance: is even more recent. —RCraig09 (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this image can be used as the replacement and tagged with {{PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA}}. Wcam (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good solution, thanks RCraig09 for finding this newer graph! But I don't quite understand this tag {{PD-USGov-DOC-NOAA}}: wouldn't the same tag also have "worked" for the previous image which was also from NOAA and is basically identical but not with the most recent data (so not a licence infringement either)? EMsmile (talk) 10:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I looked into the previous a bit and found this article to be the original source which has a CC BY 4.0 License. I'll update the info page accordingly but I'd still prefer to use the updated one. Wcam (talk) 11:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
New images uploaded as File:Co2 time series aloha 08-09-2023.jpg. Wcam (talk) 11:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks Wcam! I've replaced this graph at ocean acidification. It's an important graph so I've also added it to effects of climate change. Anywhere else where it should sensibly be added? Maybe at pH? EMsmile (talk) 11:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas[edit]

Christmas postcard featuring Santa Claus using a zeppelin to deliver gifts, by Ellen Clapsaddle, 1909
~ ~ ~ Merry Christmas! ~ ~ ~

Hello EMsmile: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, --Dustfreeworld (talk) 17:23, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks User:Dustfreeworld and likewise back to you! EMsmile (talk) 18:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Climate change/ESG accounting[edit]

Hi just to say I suspect wiki articles are behind the curve on this, if you were seeking leading edge areas to add value. Thanks for all you do. Asto77 (talk) 19:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'Recruiting' editors to a discussion[edit]

Per your ping on Flowering plant, please not that it is not acceptable to solicit inputs from specific editors to support some point of view. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I can ping another editor to alert them to a talk page with a discussion that they may wish to contribute to. Please point me to the Wikipedia guideline that forbids that. I you are thinking of WP:CANVASSING, that is different. EMsmile (talk) 09:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Copied from WP:CAN: "In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus." This is all I did. EMsmile (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Just something I am apparently supposed to do now that we are going this route with the Climate change article. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 12:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Considering this event has been done since September 28, 2020, I don't see the use for Hemingway or other apps being linked there. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:04, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you mean, LilianaUwU? As the event is over 3 years ago, I think we should just leave the description as is. Nowadays, I don't use the Hemingway App anymore. I use Chat-GPT to suggest simpler wording to me when I need it. EMsmile (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. SchroCat, any thoughts? LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 21:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I don't understand why you User talk:LilianaUwU reverted my edit here and called it spam? The Hemingway App is not spam but a legitimate tool. Maybe it's outdated now (I haven't used it for a while) but what's the harm in having it mentioned there? EMsmile (talk) 21:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it’s second rate rubbish that is completely inappropriate for any form of writing. It’s spam rubbish. It’s also based only on a narrow set of criteria that’s only relevant to one country and ignores the standards of the majority of the English speaking world. Such narrow parochialism is not a constructive step in building good content. - SchroCat (talk) 21:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true. Are we talking about the same app? I mean this one: . It's not spam. It helps people to identify difficult to understand sentences; that's all. Similar to the tool that Wikipedia has now included in the tools section, called "readability". I don't think it's up to you to decide and tell me what I can and cannot use for working on readability. This event was in September 2020 and some of us used that website at the time. So what? Why do you want to alter the project description now, three years later. I think that is completely uncalled for and a waste of time. If I want to use that website and if I want to recommend it to participants at an edit-a-thon, I can. But it's over 3 years ago, so why does it bother you? EMsmile (talk) 21:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you read what I have just written. - SchroCat (talk) 21:21, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you misunderstand what the app is trying to do. It points me to sentences that are potentially difficult to understand. That's all. Same as the readability tool that Wikipedia now offers. Anyway, nobody is forcing you to use it. But if I want to use it I can. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. EMsmile (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no misunderstanding on my account. I think you are missing the point about advertising such a flawed app, but never mind. - SchroCat (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you're very welcome to join us at WikiProject Climate Change where we try to make scientific content understandable to lay persons. Interesting texts are good but my main aim is to ensure people can actually understand text that is about difficult scientific content. See for example here on the talk page where we are discussing how to improve the start of the lead for El Niño–Southern Oscillation... Or see here on the talk page of effects of climate change. No matter which app you use or don't use, it's not easy to get this scientific content translated into sentences that our readers can easily understand (and which are still completely correct in a scientific sense). EMsmile (talk) 22:33, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific modelling[edit]

I am thinking about writing an example for how scientific modelling works (and is reasoned) at either Scientific modelling or Scientific method, and was wondering whether you had perhaps run across a source that explained their method/model/reasoning in an accessible way. (Not sure, but I'm imaging that to be likely;) JackTheSecond (talk) 19:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:JackTheSecond, I have no opinion on this question. Good luck with your work. EMsmile (talk) 07:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. JackTheSecond (talk) 13:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Ha-ha[edit]

(Continued from

The safety section should be about all aspects of hydrogen safety and nothing else. I don't know how else to answer your question without spending a bunch of time that will not benefit the encyclopedia.

While I don't intend for my comments to cause distress, "ha-ha" is not the response I was hoping for either. We have a behavioural guideline that requires editors to avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up.

I truly think your heart is in the right place. I don't think you realize your working style sometimes leads you to introduce pro-polluter bias into articles, as you did by removing the Hydrogen safety section without discussion. You do a lot of good work here but when you have no expertise in a topic, please for the love of Antarctica do not make edits in it just to try to move things along now. I am begging you. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 04:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my "ha ha" comment was meant to inject some humor into this, just like a smiley face would have. Maybe I should have picked this emoticon instead: ;-)
Regarding competence that essay that you linked to is quite good, and I think my level of competence is generally quite sufficient for most of the articles in the climate change realm. When I really don't understand the topic of an article, I stay away from editing it. I think hydrogen economy is not so complex that I would have to stay away from it. Having said that, I have no plans to edit it further in the near future (although I can see some gaps which I have pointed out on the talk page).
With regards to that edit that I made which you objected to (and which led to this discussion), I only removed the excerpt on hydrogen safety, not original text. I didn't think the excerpt fitted at that point (you later on agreed with that assessment regarding the excerpt but put text on hydrogen safety back in). It was Chidgk1 who had suggested the use of an excerpt at that location in the first place (not me). - Overall, I don't want to waste our time with this, so am also happy to let it go and just move on.
I am curious about your point that "your working style sometimes leads you to introduce pro-polluter bias into articles". This is surprising to me as I am certainly not a pro-polluter person. Do you have any other examples of this? I try to always write in an objective, neutral style and to adhere to WP:DUE. EMsmile (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am happy to let things go when I feel assured that measures are being taken to keep the problem from recurring. I don't feel assured yet. In the case of the edit that you made that I objected to, prior to your edit the body of the article had contained 211 words on safety. After your edit the body of the article contained 0 words on safety. You did this after a talk page discussion in which two other editors expressed views that *something* should be in this section. Yet you don't seem to acknowledge that your edit significantly changed the article or that it might have been wise to first propose doing it on the Talk page first. Your refusal to admit an error here is concerning to me.
Regarding pro-polluter bias, as I said above I don't believe you are a pro-polluter person. I believe you introduce pro-polluter bias accidentally because you make highly substantial edits with insufficient knowledge. If you had understood hydrogen, you would have known that a section on safety is certainly WP:DUE. Furthermore you would have known that the vast majority of hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels through highly polluting processes and that the fossil fuel industry is lobbying for more combustion of hydrogen in places where safety is a concern. When you minimize the safety concerns of hydrogen, which is what you did, you are making the article more favorable to the fossil fuel lobby.
Here's another example of inadvertent pro-polluter bias that you introduced into Wikipedia: Claiming that the lifeycle emissions of hydrogen gas are zero.[2] We discussed it but I'm not sure if you grasped why this introduced pro-polluter bias. So let me repeat here: The vast majority of hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 00:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no intention to discuss this any further with you, as it's wasting your time and mine. I am indeed very sorry that I removed the hydrogen safety excerpt without proposing this on the talk page first. Grave mistake.
If you have any other examples where I accidentally introduced pro-polluter bias to a Wikipedia article (not to hydrogen economy), I would be interesting to hear about that. I would actually be surprised if I did so but if you happen to remember any other examples, please do let me know. Have a nice day. EMsmile (talk) 21:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]