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-Missed a right section for placing a license tag - fixed. Thanks for noticeJo0doe (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear Jo0doe, I will be happy to help you. --Paweł5586 (talk) 12:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, sorry I got now many works to do, I cant help you now:(--Paweł5586 (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2010 (UTC) Not a problem -anyway your will to help is sincere.Jo0doe (talk) 11:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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See here [3] an explanation:) It's 1857 year (not typing mistake). It's PD-Old Jo0doe (talk) 05:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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“The Shukhevych Cult: Myth-making with Complications”
Where did you find this essay? --Львівське (talk) 07:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Per Anders Rudling from University of Alberta send me it. Also distributed for participants at Historical Memory in Contemporary Ukraine An international conference September 23–26, 2009 Kyiv. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 08:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Is it available on any journal archives or the like? Can I get a copy?--Львівське (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
According to this it is not supposed to be cited without permission from the author.Faustian (talk) 13:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I've got a permission from him for wiki.Jo0doe (talk) 16:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
IS there a proof of that?--Galassi (talk) 16:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Try to ask PerJo0doe (talk) 16:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
The burden of that ison YOU.--Galassi (talk) 16:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Will be send at any WP:OTRS member request, Also paper version distributed for participants at Historical Memory in Contemporary Ukraine An international conference September 23–26, 2009 Kyiv does not have such kind of restriction. Any source for Chuyev?Jo0doe (talk) 17:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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PD-Ukraine and PD -Poland. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 11:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I am not going to answer your email, because I can't do it without revealing my email address, which would reveal my real name, and I prefer not to do that. In any case, I don't see how a draft of a document would be a usable source, regardless of whether you have permission to use it. Looie496 (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
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And, for the reasons I have outlined in my comment at the AE thread, I have extended the block to run indefinitely as a community-based sanction. The indefinite block runs concurrently with the original 1-year AE block, which remains in effect. T. Canens (talk) 23:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, As far as I can understood from the text suggested – a very, very serious allegations[5][6] (in scholar community) in the source falsifying/ misrepresenting told often enough becomes the truth. Specifically mentioned the book intended for researchers, Universities tutors and students [7]
In scholar community such allegation arisen extremely rare and only after very, very careful examinations of the issues and facts by specially appointed commissions. Since WP is not – I just would like to obtain a comments by parties which imposed sanctions So it would be nice to confirm that the text.
German Zonderkomando "4"b personnel, together with Ukrainian militia, inline to the scheme fulfilled in other cities, began to round up local Jews to the citadel. Of course, they were beaten and abused and later were murdered
-[8] at page 350 does not exist at text in Ukrainian translation of which appeared above
A text (from scholar text Summary section)
Can be stated that in shooting of the Polish professors and execution of the Lwow Jewish population in July 1941 took part Ukrainians and Ukrainian spoken Volskdeutsches the members of the Ukrainian militia.
-[9] at page 398 does not exist at text in Ukrainian translation of which appeared above
And this [10] excerpt from primary source (mentioned at scholar text [11] under 3833 – claims that were the very opposite of what the text added to article [12] was actually describing. Comments from a sanction imposed parties expected. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 11:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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I’ve not involved into editing of the “all pages relating to Holodomor, broadly construed since 2008”- thus I can not physically violate the WP:DIGWUREN discretionary sanctions imposed over my account in 2008 [13]. I also strictly followed suggested policy - "to edit carefully, to adopt Wikipedia's communal approaches (including appropriate conduct, dispute resolution, neutral point of view, no original research and verifiability - [14] - [15][16] - [17] :* Non-English source text – [18] intended for graduated in history scholars cannot be judged by the determination based on Google translation [19] . Exact citations given here [20] – please clarify does text cited contradict with [21] - given at WP:AE [22] as falsified/mistranslated example. I hope admin which review my request also can easily read typed in 1941 -1942 texts [23][24] (which provide similar facts as in text in question]–to fairly judge my request. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 09:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
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Statement by <user:Jo0doe>Jo0doe (talk) 13:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I’ve not involved into editing of the “all pages relating to Holodomor, broadly construed since 2008”- thus I can not physically violate the WP:DIGWUREN discretionary sanctions imposed over my account in 2008 [26]. I also strictly followed suggested policy - "to edit carefully, to adopt Wikipedia's communal approaches (including appropriate conduct, dispute resolution, neutral point of view, no original research and verifiability - [27] - [28][29] - [30] –
Non-English source text – [31] intended for graduated in history scholars cannot be judged by the determination based on Google translation [32] . Exact citations given here [33] – please clarify does text cited contradict with [34] - given at WP:AE [35] as falsified/mistranslated example. I hope admin which review my request also can easily read typed in 1941 -1942 texts [36][37] (which provide similar facts as in text in question]–to fairly judge my request.
If there no admin which able read Ukrainian and got a suggested by book scholar degree – I can recommend to check available English scholar works on topic –[38] - pages 292, 349-55
[39] page 59 [40] page 8 [41] which suggest similar to facts added [42] which mentioned at WP:AE as an example of the as falsified/mistranslated text.
I kindly ask to clarify the sanction applied – if I actually falsify/misrepresent the facts (i.e. OUN Ukrainian militia actually does not took part in round-ups of Jews for mass executions and not participate in it, not escorted Jews to their forced labor sites ... etc,) (as added to WP and suggested by sources mentioned above) – I agreed with sanction applied – If the sources support the texts added – please withdraw the sanctions applied.
If there were any other instances of the “falsified/mistranslated examples” which can be also arisen and need to be clarified with sources– I can provide on request a copies of books pages (if there no online book available) and also primary sources (like [43]or [44] ThanksJo0doe (talk) 13:34, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Initially [45] There was a consensus about “misrepresenting sources” “that others describe as falsifying the sources”
Now [48] it was a consensus about “lacking the necessary English language communication skills”
[49][50][51] – So the reason of 1 year block extended indefinite under WP:DIGWURREN remains unexplained - and I kindly ask to clarify – does the request [52] was filled /and block applied because of “lacking the necessary English language” or because diffs [53][54][55] were judged “misrepresenting sources” and “that others describe as falsifying the sources” (i.e. English scholar texts mentioned above and the text
In late June and July 1941 OUN militias and “Sich” organizations went on a rampage
in Galicia, Northern Bukovina, and Volhynia, killing Jews primarily, but also some Poles and communists. Sometimes these militias did not do the killing themselves,
but rounded up the victims for Germans and Romanians to execute by firing squad.
[56] is falsifying ? In other words - the someone from the participants depicted at p.307 [57] were engaged in“misrepresenting sources” “that others describe as falsifying the sources”. Clarification for the block reason would nice.Jo0doe (talk) 13:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you - could you kindly clarify - per this statement [58] - "the issue" with " tendentious editing based on interpretations of Ukrainian sources that other Ukrainian speakers say are incorrect" - does it mean that the issue actually exist i.e. available English scholar works (text)on topic –[59] - pages 292, 349-55
[60] page 59 [61] page 8 and [62] page 8 (bottom) - 9 top are incorrect and tendentious - and imposed sanctions party carefully check it and "Ukrainian sources" and found "other Ukrainian speakers" supposition as correct? Does "other Ukrainian speakers" - only those 3 editors which refuse to explain and provide a source here [63] - Note: This file [64]? Thank youJo0doe (talk) 10:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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10.08.1941 р. в неділю, на площі Адама Міцквича відбулося урочисте прийняття членів Української народної міліції (УНМ) в ряди служби безпеки (Sicherheitsdienst). До присутніх міліціонерів (приблизно 300 чол.) та їхнього командування, з трибуни промовив комендант Gestapo міста та всієї округи гауптштурмфюрер SS Ганс Крюгер. Привітанням «Слава Україні!» він розпочав свою промову в якій вказав на тяжке та відповідальне завдання служби безпеки, апелював до почуття обов’язку й точності, підкреслив велику працю німців та досвід, який українська міліція зможе відтепер засвоїти, зокрема, коли вона в деякій мірі складається із старшин колишньої Української Армії. Приймаючи українську міліцію в ряди служби безпеки, комендант Gestapo видав перший наказ про поздоровлення та закінчив свою промову словами «Sieg Heil!». Потім коли оркестр відіграв німецький гімн, українському командуванню міліції було роздано нові опаски, після чого комендант разом з представниками обласної міліції прийняв дефіляду. Після закінчення дефіляди діти обдарували коменданта китицями квітів. Трибуна була прикрашена українськими та німецькими прапорами. Було також багато української публіки. (газета «Українське слово», середа, 13.08.1941 р.)
«Кожний жид чи жидівка старші віком над 12 років обов’язані на вулицях, дорогах і прилюдних місцях носити на правому рамені, на верхньому одягу, 10 см широку опаску виразної жовтої краски. Жидів, які появляться після 4 серпня 1941 р. без опаски покарається примусовою роботою, а за другим разом інтернуванням в таборі праці. За чистоту опаски відповідає власник». (газета «Українське Слово», вівторок, 29.07.1941 р.)
«Відозва до Українського населення в Станиславові
1. На підставі розпорядження Генерального Губернатора, буде організована українська помічна міліція. 2. Всі здібні мущини української національності в віку від 20 до 38 років можуть зголоситися із своїми документами в «Kommando der Schutzpolizei» в Станіславові вул. Собіського ч. 15 а.
3. Ближчі умови, бажаючі одержать при зголошенні». (газета Українське слово, неділя, 24.08.1941 р.)
Thanks - and The Ukrainian People's Militia did not exist. - [66] - I guess - IP is from Canada - mine is 12 000 miles Eastward. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 15:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
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