per the original request here, and subsequent discussion on their talk here, I have blocked this account indefinitely.
At Lucia, I do hope that in time you will have a change of heart and wish to return. I do understand your feelings, and that is why I've honored your wishes with this block. I do wish you all the best. You are still free to post to your talk page.
At any Admin. If at any time Lucia requests an unblock, please feel free to honor that without having to consult me.
@Ched: I am testing out the waters for now, so a temporary unblock. For now. I still fully intend to edit strictly with Japanese media content. Lucia Black (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done - and it's good to see you Lucia. I hope things go well for you. (and Happy Holidays). — Ched : ? 15:49, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pursuing a One Piece Wiki link in the article One Piece, and require your continued input in this discussion. Speeditor (talk) 20:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Reasons why a Japanese-media TBAN is not giving me much room[edit]
1) Anything tangent-related to Japanese media, is just media. And not all media hold the same rules, policies, sources, and structure. Its a long transition just to make significant edits until to prove to the community i can edit without issues. I think what many people fail to understand is how "Media" in general is such a different scope. Those that are inspired by Japanese related media aren't all treated the same way. For example:Scott Pilgrim is completely different from Avatar: The Last Airbender.
2) For video game related content, i have absolutely no problem editing. The problem however is if the community wants to see me make significant contributions, then by all means. But WP:VG is saturated with help. Any article i want to work on is either impossible to find sources because A) they are older than the internet, B) obscure, or C) Japanese related content, and I've caught myself too many times almost breaking the TBAN because of it. Its a very taxing thing to constantly run into articles you have an interest in instinctively and then finding out that they fall into that category. I worked on WonderSwan not because it was Japanese, but it was a cute video game console, and thought it deserved some attention.
3)We all know i can edit without problems with other members. The members I've worked with and had significant issues are all banned now. I personally thought they should've been banned a long time ago. As for me? There are members who know i can edit. And i know that even those who oppose know i can edit without issues. I'm trying to show it in AN. I also am trying my absolute best to not take any of the negative comments about me personally. Its a very difficult thing to do, because they are about me, and i'm only human. I learned. I don't want to argue with anyone. I just want to edit. But i also want to make "significant" contributions. I'm still willing to accept all the blame for what has happened in the past. I've learned. There are olive branches sent out to those i normally would never sent out in a heartbeat. When it comes to Indefinite bans, they get a 1-year interval without showing needing a single sign of proof of there improvement. TBANs don't have that requirement either. There is a reason why some feel this ban is controverial, its why it was fought multiple times. Whats the difference between back then and before? I'm not trying to "fight" it. I'm not trying to say its wrong, i'm just asking for some room where i can prove myself.
I know those who work with both WP:VG and WP:ANIME know exactly what i mean. Its not exactly a straight forward Tban, and i know others are mentioning it as a very controversial ban too. So with that mind, all i'm asking is for some good-faith. Lucia Black (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to argue or criticize at all, this is an honest question: If the topic ban is "Japanese media", can't you find a single United States/European developed video game to contribute to? I mean, I get it - I vastly prefer Japanese developed games too, and don't have much interest in other ones...but if I had to, I could certainly some non-Japanese ones. I created VS Racing 2, for example. Anyways, you could work on something like, Assassin's Creed Chronicles, has a ton of potential for expansion/splits/rewrites, certainly a ton of sources exist out there, and would not violate your topic ban. Anyways, maybe its something to think about. Sergecross73msg me 16:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Assassin's Creed Chronicle is definitely one option and i'll definitely see what i can do with the article. If you can find me 4 or 2 more articles exactly like Assassin's Creed Chronicle, i will happily redact it. I'm still having a difficult time looking for games. The ones that come up in my head end up being Japanese or already GA-status. Or i don't see anything more significant i can do to improve it. Its not a matter of me seeing Japanese/non-Japanese games differently, its a matter of me having to find the games because i have relatively no knowledge of them. Lucia Black (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I will find some more suggestions in a bit. In the meantime, you could also look into the WP:VG request board. I forget the exact link, but it's somewhere at the project page. It's where people put up requests or suggestions for articles to create. In my opinion, there's a lot of junk there...but you may be able to find something of interest, or maybe give you an idea or inspiration for something else. Sergecross73msg me 20:24, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, got caught up and forgot about this. Are you still looking for article suggestions, or have you found something else or taken a different approach. I'll start looking if you want me to. Let me know. Sergecross73msg me 14:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Im still looking so far. I did minor organization editions here and there. But not a full blown project. Lucia Black (talk) 15:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have you heard of Cosmic Star Heroine? It looks to have similarities to jrpgs, but is all western made as far as I can tell. There isn't an article yet, but I easily found 5+ sources after a brief Google search. Looks like it could be up your alley, though I'll keep looking too. Sergecross73msg me 01:59, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly did see this in Siliconera, i remember it as "the one with the ugliest modern box art". But i can see if i can create the article. I'll look into it. Lucia Black (talk) 02:07, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks for letting me know. I am using Chrome. Wow, this is so strange. Lucia Black (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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A view of Lake Bondhus in Norway, and in the background of the Bondhus Glacier, part of the Folgefonna Glacier. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 18:00, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah thank you. I love Norway scenery. Lucia Black (talk) 18:28, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(diff) What kind of clarification are you looking for? Do you have specific cases in mind? czar 02:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: I consider all initial release dates of all noted regions (EU, NA, PAL) as major release dates. What i'm concerned is that people have different definitions of "first major release". But it also gets trickier with foreign games where it was released in another country form another language, then localized in other regions. For example, some games were released in South Korea, but have only a week or two weeks difference from the NA localization from the PAL localization. We also have to look into Publishers too. the entire infobox may have to be looked into, not just release dates. Lucia Black (talk) 03:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is a big enough change that there is room to discuss granularity after the main tenets are ironed out. It doesn't have to be in one fell swoop. Films and albums release in different formats in different locales with different features all the time—it's analogous. I'd define first major release the same as the other infoboxes do—the very first date. Differences by region, if they matter (and they usually don't), are designed to be explicated in the Release prose. But I don't think that needs to be part of the proposal—it could, alternatively, be month-year instead of date, or it could be the first major release separated by region, as you put it, but that's for the group to decide. Ostensibly the other fields should work the same way—the main developer, the main publisher. The infobox is designed for quick access to definitive traits, not every detail or nuance about a release. But as for needing "more clarification on how it would work", wouldn't you agree that it's better to do one step at a time? czar 22:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar:Undue weight is what I'm worried about. Giving more emphasis on the first one even if it's just weeks apart. The biggest difference with film and albums is they aren't in a competition within hardware. Also they usually share the same publisher. I don't think it's so easy to compare. Initial release dates of each region is important if it's related to the initial release. What we're doing is trying to synthesize what is more relevant just by determining which is the earliest release date. For example: let's say a game was confirmed to release on Xbox one, ps4, and Wii u. Those are already confirmed relevant consoles. Now let's say Xbox one/ps4 have a simultaenious release but Wii U takes a couple Months. Who are we to say that isn't relevant initial release? Lets also point out that the release dates are just a couple weeks apart from the release north American from PAL region? In previous discussions it was confirmed both would have a release, so the question rises again? Its not about the differences between the regions, it's whether sources treated it as an initial release info. Lucia Black (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The case of Rise of the Tomb Raider (infobox dates on the right) is similar to your scenario. Instead of cataloging these dates, I would suggest that we list "November 10, 2015" in the infobox, only mention the differences in region in a Development section footnote if even necessary, and move the other port timeframes into the Dev/Release section. The delay between the port releases, if mentioned by secondary sources, belongs in the Dev section, and but it's only important to note the specific dates if the sources do so. Do we need to have the dates of each release or region in the infobox? I wager that it's best contextualized in prose (especially when we're looking at releases from 10+ years ago with poor release date documentation). czar 06:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: I thought about it. But Rise of the Tomb Raider is only one game. Give me a more drastic example. Lets say Final Fantasy (video game). Lucia Black (talk) 07:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good example—what matters most for Final Fantasy (video game) is "1987" (or "December 18, 1987" if anyone can actually source it). The barrage of unsourced dates (and they typically are unsourced) aren't helpful. Instead, the section dedicated to the ports and their features is exactly what we should be encouraging—cited commentary on the difference between ports. Notice how the table in that section doesn't use exact dates. I'd still prefer sourced years in that column, but the format of prose naturally encourages editors to leave out extraneous detail so as to form better sentences. The list of dates, whether hidden inside a collapsible list or not, is a mess that creates more questions than it answers. czar 09:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: I think we done need all the re-releases, ports, and remakes. However. I do believe we still need to keep everything considered as part of the original release, at least if it follows closely to what was originally intended to be released in. For FF (video game), that would have the original NES release, but also mention the original release from its own country, and then the following english countries (if the intent was to release it in those countries in the first place and followed through). But thats as far as i can agree to. Lucia Black (talk) 10:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think we done need all the re-releases, ports, and remakes.
Where? In the infobox? Why? czar 10:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"don't". Typo. Here's how it can work out without really needing to reform all the articles instantly. Create new parameters without deleting the old such as original console, original release date and original publisher(s). We keep all relevant regions if the release dates are relatively close together. And if they're not, we mention other releases in the infobox but only for console (not dates). Lucia Black (talk) 10:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I noticed that you expanded a lot of content on Diddy Kong Racing a while ago. I'm just wondering if you would be interested in bringing it up to GA with me at some point? Seeing as I sent Diddy's Kong Quest to GAN, it's next on my list and I thought it would be rude not to ask you since you did expand the gameplay section substantially. I've got a lot of sources for development, so I'll be up for it. If you want... JAGUAR 14:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguar: it's perfectly fine for me if you send it to GAN. I've been stuck trying to improve the dev section and reception section anyways. But I'll see what I can do. Lucia Black (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I might be a day or two as I'm working on another article at the moment, but I won't be long. Anything you can do would be great. JAGUAR 15:16, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm taking another extended break honestly. Probably longer than my last. Lucia Black (talk) 15:18, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. I hope everything is alright, I just thought a collaboration might help things. It can wait, I've been feeling unmotivated too but who knows how I'll feel in a few days. JAGUAR 15:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not motivated because a lot of reasons. Reasons too dark to even say. You can still talk to me. I still get emails. Lucia Black (talk) 15:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Emailed. JAGUAR 10:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I noticed you said you were taking a break from WP. Would you be interested in helping us expand the Diddy Kong Racing guide over at StrategyWiki? We're a much more friendly community, I think you would enjoy it there. Hoping to hear from you over there. Plotor (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plotor (talk • contribs) [reply]
Hey Lucia, Judgesurreal777 here, wanted to let you know that I have always considered you a valued and valuable colleague here, and held you in the highest respect. I think I speak for the Wikiproject Square Enix that we would love for you to work More with us in the future, since we are highly collaborative and friendly bunch in the ten years I have been on Wikipedia. I understand perhaps a tiny bit of what you're going through; I've Had to have my userpage locked due to my time in the AFD, and Know it's not fun and can be very depressing. If you need someone to Talk with, you can always direct message me! All the best, Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:01, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Wikipedia member Lucia black has passed three weeks ago. Unable to access her password to solidify the statement, decided to send word in this fashion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FB90:4922:4A26:0:4F:3E93:4001 (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am so very sorry to hear this - my prayers and condolences to all friends and family. — Ched : ? 11:41, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so sorry to hear this. Truly sad news. Thanks for everything you did here, it will never be forgotten. JAGUAR 11:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is terrible news. Lucia's contributions here were incredibly helpful, and always with the integrity of the encyclopedia in mind. They, nor she, will ever be forgotten. My condolences to her friends and family. – Rhain☔ 12:56, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Terrible news indeed. Thanks for everything you have done here. Vaya con dios and rest in peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you found a better place Lucia, RIP. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:58, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is sad news. While we had our disagreements and the occasional clash, I had hoped that things would ultimately have worked out in one way or another. RIP Lucia. Blackmane (talk) 04:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RIP from Chinese Wikipedia. Thanks for your contribution to human civilization. --Carrotkit (talk) 06:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My deepest condolences to friends and family. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RIP, this is an editor from PRC and Wikipedia-zh. Wish to have a better next life. --霧島聖 (talk) 06:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So very saddened to hear this, but I hope you find peace -- samtartalk or stalk 16:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Be at peace, little darling. I'll miss you. I wish I could have done more to help you. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Very sad. Admired the work of this user a lot. I was inspired by the work done by this user and others on Uzumaki to try and enhance the article on the film. RIP. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:26, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit late here, but I'm very sad to hear this. Lucia Black was helpful in helping me edit the Adventure Time article(s), and although we did have our disagreements, I felt like her comments/edits always made the page stronger in the end.--Gen. Quon(Talk) 15:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have just read this and it has moved me. My sincere condolences to friends and family TUXLIE 12:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm truly gutted. You were one of a small group of Wikipedia editors who inspired me to make dedicated contributions to WP:ANIME, write thoughtful, detailed comments in talkpages and always make users feel appreciated with kindness. Above all, these experiences pushed me to go learn wikitext and run a little wiki of my own. | -SPD •📞•✎ 21:14, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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