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RIP Shane: [1]. from Rum Sodomy & the Lash (1985), vocal: Cait O'Riordan. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there I reverted your addition of a Sunak quote at question time because history suggests this will just lead to some supporter of the Greek position adding a counter quote etc. I think we should avoid this article turning into a forum where editors engage in a running commentary on political squabbles about the marbles. I think the significant fact is that a scheduled meeting was cancelled due to comments about the marbles. The rights and wrongs of this and who said what to who and who was grandstanding (they probably both were) will be an endless debate. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:15, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I have no desire to see the "article turning into a forum", thanks. I think the exchange at PMQs was notable and provided Sunak's side of the story (it's now on TV again on the BBC News at Ten programme). It's obvious that the row is essentially a political one, given that Starmer hastily met with Mitsotakis and then boasted about it at PMQs. I doubt it will be in the news again for a while, so this part of the "debate" will hardly be "endless". Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December: story · music · places

Today's story is about Maria Callas, on her centenary. - Aaron Copland died OTD, and Jerome Kohl (mentioned in November) said something wise on Copland's talk, - yes, regarding a soft(er) stance towards infoboxes. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, La Divina. Matchless really. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

25k views. A new church year began (listen), - a new era? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Heard this on the radio this morning and thought of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - Today's story is about parts of my life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And here's Dr. Feelgood playing "She Does It Right", live on Tyne Tees' The Geordie Scene in 1975: [2]. It really does have everything: Brilleaux with a top-mixed, hard-hitting vocal; Wilko on fire (complete with basin-cut and duckwalk); Sparko and The Big Figure beating it out; hundreds of teenage girls not really sure what they are happily dancing to. In fact, a strange juxtaposition between Brilleaux's "She works hard every night just to make me feel alright" and the dancing teenagers. But still a classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - Looking for something for St Nicholas, - nobody made a DYK for Britten's - can you believe it? - we'll sing my (user's) infobox for Christmas, DYK? - announced the day you mentioned Schütz (first and last movement, - the quote is from the last). I hid a little Mozart on my user talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! What a coincidence. Sounds good! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today, I managed to get the pics to snow (on 28 Nov), and heard a lovely concert, after listening to a miracle of meditative dreaming on 6 December (or just click on music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

magical Have long been a fan. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC) p.s Luca Sestak was a genius 16 years ago, when aged 12, but he's just got better.[reply]

yes - ... and today, to Paris (29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda, yes very expressive. I thought you might like this. As you may know, Josh Cooter is in The Gesualdo Six. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I like it! - My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pics up to 3 December (with my shadow in one of them), and a story about Beethoven in memory of his birth. When the arb who wrote the infoboxes case installed the community consensus - in 2015! - I hoped these infobox wars were over, really. - What do you think about writing The Sleeping Child (Chilcott) together? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah well, at least we know you aren't a true vampire! Happy to help out, if I can on Bob Chilcott. Is there enough for an entire article? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New pic, cake (home-baked but not by me) before that dream of a concert - today's story about the woman who directed today's Aida, with a trailer of her work. - I'll check tomorrow about the Child, - it doesn't take much to write an article. Chilcott needs more sources - go ahead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About the Sleeping Child: I planned it tentatively for 25 Dec when I may not get to editing at all ... - Minor request: in your most wonderfully pictured greetings, you closed some "br" but not one of them which I fixed on my talk. Just in case you want to prevent "all-pink" in edit mode of complete pages (instead of helpful editor colours) ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, thanks for telling me. It was my Christmas Puzzle. Hours of fun! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

... while my "card" is already above, I just update - story each day, music almost each day. If you follow the diary ("places") today you see an amazing colour coordination of the Gothic church and the table cloth that evening. It was also amazing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. Don't miss the little doggie, painted by someone famous. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he did many dogs. But that's a very nice one! Meanwhile, I have been listening to a lot of Jephtha lately, like this gem. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't manage the Sleeping Child, - will try tomorrow. - Christmas music pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Child now sleeping ;) - help wanted. - I try to finish uploading images of 2023 before it ends, and reached 17 December. Happy to see Rebekka Habermas on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Martinevans123, I apologized for myself putting the wrong category "comedian" for Lesley Joseph and thank you for your understanding for explanation about her. She's just a comic actress. Ernestine Sanchez (talk) 14:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Ernestine. It's a bit of a grey area, isn't it. Comic actresses don't tell jokes but they can still make us laugh. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with you, Martin. Ernestine Sanchez (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello...thanks for the cited needed tag[3]; now met. That makes you a gentleman in my mind - its always good when tage are added to specific claims rather than, euf, leaving an overbearing and large template at the top. Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thanks for adding that source. I didn't look like a very controversial claim. I rather hid that tag under my link addition! Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Observations on Brexit, on BBC's Question Time (2018) and performing "Money" in Newcastle in 1991 Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1189403025

please make sure cwm updates are correct 93.140.28.0 (talk) 05:50, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, IP 93. Not sure I get what you mean. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A case of mistaken identity? --ARoseWolf 13:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it. I'm only guilty of reminding everyone that Cwm Albion F.C. are "UK's 'worst performing football team'"!! Thanks for the suggestion, A Rose. Hope you are well. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am well, thank you. I hope I find you the same. If I haven't said it enough, I'm thrilled you back to editing. Our light-hearted conversations have always been a delight of mine and high point of my day. --ARoseWolf 12:43, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Awwwww, that's so nice of you. Glad to be of service, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC) [4][reply]

Hey, when a guy throws Hitchcock at me it's most definitely getting serious. Ha! All kidding aside, you are appreciated. Now let me find a window. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, try and find a high one. You'll get a better view! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note[edit]

--Tryptofish (talk) 21:22, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah right. Still alive, then. Shucks, there goes another tenner.... Welcome back, buddy!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC) and here's those wonderful ballad-blastin' pop-tastic crooners Peters and Lee for ya! not 'arf, pop-pickers!![reply]

Never bet against a fish (unless you're one of those hookers). But I won't interrupt you any longer, since you appear to have a mess to clean up below. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"I went diving with Dean Martin and got attacked by an eel. "What the hell was that?", I screamed... he turned to me and said "that's a moray". Ah thangu! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC) p.s. I'm also quite cool with, like, a gay tarantella. Or, in fact, really any 2SLGBTQ+ arachnid-inspired Italian folk dance.[reply]

And I thought I was the one on drugs... --Tryptofish (talk) 23:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"You know when they have a fishing show on TV? They catch the fish and then let it go. They don’t want to eat the fish, they just want to make it late for something." - Mitch Hedberg. -- Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He's been hooked! --ARoseWolf 12:57, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ever since Martin was promoted to Dean, he's been sitting in a dive bar. (As in Dean Martin Evans 123, diving for a moray... Oh, never mind...) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:50, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"There's a ghost fish in my house, I can't hide!" -- R. Dean Evans 123 (talk) 00:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC) [5]

Shocking! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah-ha! Now we're talking!! [6] Martinevans123 (talk) 00:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His fins are made for walking --ARoseWolf 14:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

.... and cue Nancy Fish.... [7]! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, that YouTube video of Stingray is not to be missed. Here in the colonies, all I had in my fry-hood was Soupy Sales: [8]. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. That also explains a lot.... but I guess stereo Pie in The Face looks much better on the radio! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, I bet it does explain a lot. When I was little, I loved that show! Take a quick look at Soupy Sales#New Year's Day incident. (Sounds ominous, doesn't it?) I still remember when that happened, and crying in my mother's arms because the show had been taken off the air for Two Whole Weeks. (Now, it sounds like something Trump would do, except not as a joke.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes. Something very similar happened in the UK when it was discovered that Spotty Dog ("the very biggest spotty dog you ever did see") was found to be an undercover KGB agent. Pre-school children all over Britain has to send in Transnistrian rubles to get him released from the BBC dog pound. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC) I really must try and find a better source for that fact .....[reply]

Hello @Martinevans123, on article Douglas Murray (author), in the lede section third para contains info about his admirers and critics. So when I included a brief line "He has been accused of being Islamophobic by academics and journalists." with WP:RS sources since it was WP:Notable, another editor removed it. I was thinking maybe you could provide your input if it escalates to edit-war. 182.183.58.243 (talk) 23:46, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP 182. I don't think I've ever seen that article before, so I'm not really familiar with the material. But the main aim, on any article, is to try and avoid edit warring. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Murder_of_David_Amess#Should_this_article_reflect_trial_accounts_of_the_attack/Ali’s_behaviour? I have added talk discussion on my edit. 92.17.199.182 (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for telling me. Had you considered creating an editor account? It's very easy. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know it has been months, but I don't feel like doing it but feels that if anyone thinks that the revision I made could be used for any revisions in the future, albeit with better written paragraphs or if they are worth expanding, please feel free to do so, I had long added "further explanation needed" in the last paragraph of the "attack" section; as I am a resident of Southend, I feel that this is better suited to users here, especially as I sadly never knew Amess' name before he died (I guess politics is not my thing and I have autism); regardless of what he was like or what controversies he may have had in life, what happened to him is a terribly sad story. I feel for how much he must have suffered, and certainly for his wife and children. It also helps people to remember there are real families involved, that the man was a people’s relative, their blood, and not just names for amateur sleuths to fuss over. As I mentioned before, I just didn't want to stir up any more pain and trouble for the Amess family."92.17.198.220 (talk) 15:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP 92. I have responded at Talk:Murder of David Amess. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
	Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus! Cheers SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, SchroCat!! Eeeeeewww, reminds me of that episode. But thanks for the very timely warning about the inherent dangers of unsupervised cornucopia usage on swings. Yours aye, with the rest of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cool beans, Blowers me ol' china. Vey nice to hear from you! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the lovely and colourful message! All the best to you and yours DBaK (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another year. :)

Kieronoldham (talk) 01:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I do confess to watching this video again this morning, and so I can't really justify editing Jacob Rees-Mogg as I'm concerned my POV might get in the way; anyway, I think the talk page discussion is worth having. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:18, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it, Caroline. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

... ah yes, did someone say "physical embodiment of arrogance and entitlement"? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 21 December 2023 (UTC) ... why not treat yourself this Christmas? ... only £18.97 here!! (that's about three and a half hours at the new 18-20 National Minimum Wage of £7.49)[reply]

Oh and by the way, just remember...."someone who is always mildly sedated, can never realise there are better men out there". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's good knowing you're back!! Atsme 💬 📧 14:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Brought big frowns and kicked over furniture to most, but whatever (and Merry Christmas to both of you). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, am thinking of running next year. Hasta la vista, baby. And it's a fab chart-bound-sound from Arnold!! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC) p.s. Merry Crimbo, Mr Krynmeister![reply]

Is this the best Christmas song, or what? ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. I'm surprised Wombling Merry Christmas doesn't make that claim" Perhaps Gerda could get in on Main Page? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Spedding and Clem Cattini play on this song, and very well.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:04, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, the wonderful Mr Spedding. "Let's stick a new oar in..." Superb solo! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RIP Tony Oxley: Taunton 1991. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here's Derek Higgins talking about Tony: [9]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than remove innocuous unsourced content and the resulting category, isn't it more constructive to do a quick search for sources? South African Coconut ice was easy to source. PamD 07:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Pam. Thanks for your note. Hope you are well. Seasons Greetings to you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So it seems you had much better luck than I did in finding a source. I'd agree it was quite innocuous and I was a little surprised it had been unsourced for three and a half years. The problem with unsourced claims is that they might not be true. I generally have a look for some source(s) before deleting anything, but on this occasion was unsuccessful. I see there's also a recipe in The South African for chocolate ystervarkies ("little porcupines"). Let's hope they're not too prickly. 😄 Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Captain! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Martinevans123: Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels? Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 19:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message

CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. "Blistering Barnacles, Captain"! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Like 2019, remember? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have trouble remembering five days ago, let alone five years!! 😄 But thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's why we have archives ;) - you click on the (former) image and get all names where it was mentioned. Longer story for Floq - don't want to type it again. - I have a poll on WT:DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 2023 picture is from the Abel Fest in Köthen, celebrating the tercentenary of Carl Friedrich Abel, a viol virtuoso, composer and concert organiser in London (together with Bach's youngest son), born on 22 December 1723 in Köthen, where the new catalogue of his works was introduced, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you don't remember five day's ago. You met the author 14 Nov, and the catalogue 22 Dec ;) - better late than never --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the Main page now: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

January music[edit]

story · music · places

Thank you for memories! I remember Ewa Podleś on the Main page, and have - believe it or not - two musical DYK. Shalom chaverim. On vacation, with something for your sweet tooth --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links, Gerda. Happy Saint Dwynwen's Day! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Today: Anna Nekhames, the article in which a reviewer found nothing interesting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taking tons of vacation pictures, 23 chosen for 23 Jan, 6 uploaded, too tired for more - on my talk you see that it's the birthday of Mozart and our conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great. Thanks Gerda. Today also the birthday of the wonderful Robert Wyatt. [10] Jennifer Maidman guitar; Annie Whitehead trombone; etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

well, I didn't realise it was already another day - being in a different time zone than normally - Mozart and conductor 27 Jan. - All 23 pics are there now, and I hope to manage the next day later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah Gerda, you're such a jet setter! Gosh, we used to have four BBC channels... those were the days! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today a friend's birthday, with related music and a few new vacation pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats (to you and to Gerda)! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, that was about 95% Gerda. I put in the bit about him being a keen rugby player in his youth. But thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like that to appear on my mom's birthday ;) - who introduced me to sing, sing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you (all) can add to Chris Karrer whom I nominated for RD (where it found only one support). I am not sure how to word the Krautrock legend thingy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to bask in the reflected glory, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your last message at Talk:Paula Vennells. I don't know what it is about that article, but it seems to cause an editorial dispute at every turn (not all involving you, I do acknowledge)!

I do feel as though we've got off on the wrong foot, which is a shame as I believe we edit some of the same topics and so should be Wiki-friends (or at least Wiki-acquaintances). For example, I can see you've been involved with listed buildings in Gwynedd and I've recently brought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle up to GA status. I hope that if we bump into each other again we can make a better go of it. All the best, A.D.Hope (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for such a friendly message. Don't worry, I appreciate your robust discussion! I'm sorry that I am forever trying to make jokes. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC) ...for a moment there I misread and thought you had bought Criccieth Castle and Dolwyddelan Castle! 😄[reply]

To be quite honest I think Wikipedia would be better if editors took themselves less seriously (and I definitely include myself there), so joke away. I reckon I'd have been more open to them if the discussion had seemed less... interminable, not that that's anyone's fault.

I don't think either castle would suit me these days, they're a bit open-plan for my taste! A.D.Hope (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The joke that blew Paula's chances of Bishop of London
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Q: Why did I have to wait a long time at the post office behind Satan? A: Because the devil can take many forms. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's your best one yet, Martin! A.D.Hope (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that’s not saying much! Lol. Notice I didn’t mention Horizon! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Dat" (1976): "Rasta Ozzy from up the hill, Decide to check on him grocery bill..." Opal Records: PAL 5 Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was the producer for "Midnight Rider" by Paul Davidson (1975).

Thank you for ITNN for him. I wanted to fix the bare url, and get a "Security risk" warning, although it is the same website as the notice of his death which I can see fine. "the late veteran ..." isn't exactly neutral language to me ... - Have you seen my story today? Also on ITNN, - no comment yet. I have other (DYK) stories the two next days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Schickele, too. But I trust that PDQ lives on. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for spotting that, Gerda. It's a unsecure mobile version of the site. I'll have to look for a better source which gives the chart position. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a bit of Pluto's Little Weed from "Dat". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, lovely! - The composer is also on the Main page now, but I got nervous ;) - I have a pun on my talk, DYK, because St. Joseph is in Wedding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A pun? Well done! But I have yet to find it, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you'd look for "wedding". Shortcut to the wedding pun --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, of course. Obviously too subtle for me! Let's hope they don't split. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile... back in 1967 Soviet Russia... here's the amazing Yuri Gulyayev. (A bit incongruous, I must admit: you're all sat down cosy, in a respectable little down-town Moscow supper club, and this guy suddenly gets up and starts wailing about a 17th-century Cossack leader who kills the beautiful Persian Princess he's just married and then throws her from his boat into the River Volga, "...in a gesture addressed to his disgruntled jealous comrades who accuse him of "mellowing down" after just one night spent with a woman." Let's face it, after a few bottles of 80 proof vodka with our mates, we've all been there, haven't we. [11]) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.... and here's the better known version. Incredibly sweet. Wonderful harmonies. So sad. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Stephen. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Follow the sources" is the default, but is a convention not a firm rule. In articles on UK railways, for example, the current consensus is to use imperial, despite the fact that railway engineering in Britain has been done exclusively in metric since 1975. So the disp=flip option in {{convert}} gets heavy usage .

So the choice also depends on existing use in the article concerned, hence the MOS:RETAIN reference. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks. I had assumed that "Follow the sources" was written somewhere in policy. I was surprised to see hectares shown first at Open University. That's a perfectly reliable source from the OU itself there, of course; perhaps ecology at the OU is always done in metric? But if one were to find multiple other sources, all equally reliable, that used acres, or which put acres first, I'm not sure how it would be "gaming the system" to use them. Most geographical areas of land I've seen for UK articles put acres first. So I guess MOS:RETAIN could be balanced against overall consistency. Are acres still taught in UK schools? I must admit I don't know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would call it gaming the system if someone actively went hunting for sources to support a specific POV.

AFAIK, schools teach SI as the foundation system but have to ensure that students are aware of common imperial measures in common use, like miles, feet, inches; stones, pounds and ounces; pints and possibly gallons. No doubt rural schools teach acres but I'd be surprised if urban schools bother much. Of course with lunatic ideas like pint bottles of wine being proposed in all seriousness, who knows what nonsense the DFE is demanding nowadays. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bring it on, I say! I'm all for Letterbox wine! ...Red Wine and Hobnobs, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laurie Johnson MBE (7 February 1927 – 16 January 2024) - composer of the theme for The Avengers (1965) and many, many more. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And Frank Farian. But we won't mention Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have always seen you, Ian, as a kind of Wikipedia Daddy Cool, lol. The theme from The Avengers must be one of the best ever. "Just wonderful, Mrs. Peel"! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:59, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Farian had already done something similar with Bobby Farrell. I was shocked, shocked to learn that he did almost none of the male singing for Boney M, but it all went badly wrong with Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:19, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine you've got all the Farrell moves, too! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of completeness, it should be pointed out that Maizie Williams also sang very little if at all during the studio recordings of the Boney M songs. For some reason this never caused a controversy, although it did when Farian had the same idea with Milli Vanilli.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, seems even though Morvan and Pilatus were "more talented musically than Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger", they only had a few Farrell sidestep moves... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melanie Anne Safka-Schekeryk (February 3, 1947 – January 23, 2024): "Brand New Key". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Brand New Key" was a number four hit in the UK, but The Wurzels reached number one with "The Combine Harvester". Life just isn't fair sometimes.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Ooh-arh, ooh-agh". Yes, another work of genius. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about reverting your edit, I'm tryng to keep the image close to the relevant text. It actually worked better before a previous editor removed half of the explanation. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it did, but that may have been "copyvio", so I can't complain... Often a trade-off with stubs. "Snow biggie, dude". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be me, I'm afraid! The difficulty was that the long explanation - some Martin's, some not - was not supported by the Coflein entry. This says, rather briefly, "Lead mine waste", and identifies it as a "Post-medieval Mining feature". And that's it. The long explanation of how the "head/body/legs" were formed just isn't there. Obviously, if someone can paraphrase a suitable RS which covers all this, then back in it can go. KJP1 (talk) 12:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I understand why, I was just looking at the visual effect! Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparenlty Big Brother. Slatersteven (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. Can you do the cat?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you the rumors are false (and there is a restraining order out anyway). Slatersteven (talk) 15:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huw am I?? (Warning: recycled joke from User:Ianmacm) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just making a heavy-handed point to a new editor. Anna (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I enjoyed it, anyway. Gambians are people too, you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll stick with "Gambian school children" in future. For reference. Anna (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just clarifying. Per MOS:BIRTHPLACE birth/death places are not put in the brackets with dates. Birth and death places, if known, should be mentioned in the body of the article, and can appear in the lead if relevant to notability, but not in the opening brackets alongside the birth and death dates. Executive zombie (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds entirely reasonable. Always great to see some useful trimming. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

over a packet of fags. I'm surprised that, by 2012, they could get away with heralding a packet of cigarettes as representing "20 years of quality"! ...lights another Malboro Gold and returns to task at hand. KJP1 (talk) 09:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"A good smoke at a fair price" (i.e. your lungs).... "No, you don't see many wild stallions any more." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin - have to break off, as we're out to lunch. I need a way to make multiple references to the Stansfield article, but with different page numbers in each. I don't really want the article to appear multiple times in the Refs. I could do it if we were sfn, but we're not. Any ideas? KJP1 (talk) 11:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sfn would be the way to go, I guess. Article would need a slight overhaul? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they're all done now. If you had time to sfn it - as you say, the others would need doing to - that would be great. No worries if not, I'll put it on my To-Do list. Unless, any savvy TPSs know a better way to deal with multiple journal cites? KJP1 (talk) 16:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok now? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muchas gracias - looks much better! Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 17:24, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"No le gusta caminar, No puede montar a caballo, Cómo se puede bailar, Es un escándalo!" apologies, the only Spanish I can bring to mind.... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit here, Lady Park Wood National Nature Reserve, inspired me to create the above. I used to love running across that swingy bridge as a kid! KJP1 (talk) 10:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah bless. Used to go hiking around there. Yes, very swingy, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep it clean, you two! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've already promised to show him my half hitches and lashings. Just leave KJP's woggle out of this, if you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I promise knot to do anything objectionable. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"She was only the scoutmaster's daughter, But couldn't she make a massive sheet bend!!" Hay thang-u!! etc. etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I come here to share some innocent childhood memories, and it's like a round of Innuendo Bingo! KJP1 (talk) 08:59, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, the lovely old Samantha (and good old Sven). Yes, I know, I blame that fish character. He's like the proverbial bad penny... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC) It's a case of "oh, ruddy Nora, not again!" And I don't mean that one. But it keeps me smiling lol.[reply]

It's all Martin's fault. And I have documents to prove it. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure all readers that this is a complete and utter tissue of lies and extreme fibs on stilts. Any more of this malarkey and I'll probably end up with the hives and the screaming abdabs!! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But at least your woggle will be OK. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Not so sure about my wiggle... "It's A Wiggly Wiggly World." (... with special guest Rolf Harris!!!) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure about it, either. But you can always fake it till you make it. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While following the recent news, I wonder if the Earhart article could use some clearing up to simplify the length or descriptions of events. The description of the main image is superfluous, saying "Earhart beneath the nose of her Lockheed Model 10-E Electra, March 1937 in Oakland, California, before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance"; the words "before departing on her final round-the-world attempt prior to her disappearance" could be omitted as it would be very clear when the photo was taken and doesn't necessary relate to the vanishing as that was months away. The words "It is generally presumed that she and Noonan died somewhere in the Pacific during the circumnavigation, just three weeks prior to her fortieth birthday" are an odd placement to me, as in the event any of the theories (crash and sink or Gardner island castaway) are ever confirmed, it could be misleading, particularly if for the sake of argument, it is the castaway theory that is confirmed, it possible she would have lived to have seen her 40th birthday, if she had survived on Gardner for some time before perishing. Speaking of which, there is a possible article that could be used for the recent sonar discovery in which David Jourdan (himself a crash and sink theorist) cautions, "It is impossible to identify anything from a sonar image alone as sound can be tricky and the artifact could be damaged in unpredictable ways altering its shape. For that reason, you can never say that something is (or isn’t) from a sonar image alone,^[1]~~ 92.17.199.182 (talk) 22:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess she might have had a caption premonition? Who knows....perhaps it was just a false alarm. And yes, very sad there was no cake. But your arguments all look pretty sound to me. [12] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken my above paragraph to the Earhart talk page. It appears there is a discussion to split the article regarding the "vanishing" section. ~~ 92.17.199.182 (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for telling me. That's the best place for it! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phew, what an album.... "with songs that stick close to a vision of darkness, gloom, and noise." No-one else can really play like Thompson. He just seems to get better and better. "Her Love Was Meant for Me". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

My calendar story today is about Michael Herrmann celebrating his birthday. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today I am happy about a singer on the Main page (at least for the first hours), after TFA the same day last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Gerda. An interesting range. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you made my day ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And mine too, for proving my point. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well I am very glad to hear it! I had no idea, as I can honesty say... I am not really a Dedicated Follower of DYK! [13]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which point, proved how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the wonderful Planxty, featuring the amazing Liam O'Flynn (1945–2018): "The Jolly Beggar" (Child ballad 279). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, some other day: Seiji Ozawa died, and I remember Haydn's Die Schöpfung, dress rehearsal in Tanglewood, as if it was yesterday. Kathleen Battle. Chorus all in white and singing from memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, three days ago. A famous family. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When I made today's story I was sure Alfred Grosser would appear on RD today, which may happen or not but I go to bed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... and today a woman and her views --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saw your name in the ITNN candidates, where I have (again) one lingering on the last day - could you check if you can support Rudolf Jansen? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't me, honest. Just one of my socks with the same name... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now posted, I see. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, 4 minutes before midnight. - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda. Amazing singing. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They had to rearrange and adjust to the "cruel" situation of two altos and men, because many sopranos couldn't travel because there husbands were drafted and they had to serve the family. - Today's story celebrates a woman's birthday. She sat right in front of me when I took the picture at a lovely concert, celebrating her son's 60th. I thought she was 90 today, - no, 91 already. You can listen, starting at the piece he dedicated to her, Op. 1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining that about the cruel situation - it certainly worked out well. Ah yes, Rossini. You can't beat a bit of "shooting an apple off the head of your son Walter in a single attempt", can you. If he was alive today he'd only be 58! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

;) - did you listen to the Kyrie with the rhythm that stays with you fo the rest of the day? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now, look where your seeking to engage with that tin-foil hatter on the Paula Vennels talkpage has got us to. They are now leaving Banning Notices on my Talkpage! Have you sorted your maths yet? KJP1 (talk) 12:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, yes.... the contagion seems to be spreading. DYK..... that King Charles III is really a giant reptile? Yes, maths all sorted thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A giant reptile, and in an illegitimate marriage. And me a sock puppet of Ghmyrtle. Who knew. KJP1 (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hear Windsor Register Office will do salamanders, on a Thursday, if you slip them a few quid. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like it when folks swing their elbows widely. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 13:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That old Glasgow idiom springs to mind.... "ye cruisin' for a bruisin', laddie!" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You is.... rockin' like a Ninja, stingin' like a bee! (but don't quote me on that...) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whaaat?[14] Ceoil (talk) 14:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was in the middle of redrafting. I don't think the article is long enough to warrant that degree of duplication in the lead. Oh well, whatevs. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your right, but am working towards expanding the main body. As always, could really use your help here Martin. Ceoil (talk) 15:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gimme an hour or two, and then might ask for you egale eyes. ps, having been ispired during talk chit chat with Serial earlier this morning, myself and my brother bought tickers to see these Fall influenced merchants in London in mid march.[15]. Oh boy do I love one note music! Ceoil (talk) 15:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New to me. Are those gladiolis on the mic stand?? lol Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An obv ref to Steven Patrick, which I think is nice. Ceoil (talk) 22:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Damo Suzuki (16 January 1950 – 9 February 2024): "Spoon" (1971). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also "Paperhouse" from Beat-Club (also 1971).

Lets not forget poor Malcolm: Father cannot Yell, December 2017. Note the two bass players :) Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best track on Ege Bamyasi? For me it's always "I'm So Green". A real groove. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only discovered this during the week Dizzy Dizzy...it takes a while to get going but that is some seriously controlled funk. Maybe they didn't afterall completely loose it after Suzuki quit. Ceoil (talk) 00:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another favourite! At their best at that time, in my view. Soon Over Babaluma and Landed both great. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:11, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second-Largest refracting tele. Fact check lens size of Swedish 1-m Solar Tele —which is larger. Classact1000 (talk) 19:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to ask at Talk:Yerkes Observatory? I've never seen that article before. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can do these yourself, you know! KJP1 (talk) 08:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh... impressive! And well done. I won't even check it for coyvio. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It could almost certainly do with a check for typos etc. It is also rather "thin". And it's a pity that we don't seem to have a photo of the Morgan Chapel. But it's a Start. KJP1 (talk) 08:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a very good start! I'll try and make some tiny pedantic "improvements". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which reminds me, about five years ago!, we said we'd do something about Tredegar House. For one of Wales most important country houses, it's a pretty poor article. Shall put it back on the to-do list. KJP1 (talk) 09:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My present health state, and age (probably more the latter), means that I struggle to concentrate on matters for more than a few minutes. I wonder if you might have some interest in this outfit - if so, there has been a new, single purpose editor cutting a swathe through the article with editing comments such as "actual details incorrect and members incorrect . Incorrect place band formed , incorrect details how gee street was started incorrect description of band members".

I have not the time to investigate all those 'incorrect' amendments, but I did look long enough at Martin Strong's publication to note that he states the band formed in Clapham, not Brixton. Needless to say the editor does not supply any reference(s) to back up his claims. If you have the time and inclination, of course. Thanks - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Derek. I'll try and take a look. I see that Strong's The Great Rock Discography is available on line, but with no preview. But I see his 1996 The Wee Rock Discography also says Clapham. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. I should, perhaps, have made it clearer that I possess my own print copy of Strong's tome. So if you need to check anything there, I would be able to help. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, I thought you might. By all means add a comment, if you want, to the Talk page thread, just to confirm it also says Clapham on page 935 of Strong (2000)? (I mean, this might be a POV thing, as Brixton and Clapham are right next to each other anyway? - it might have been at the Hope and Anchor, or anywhere on Acre Lane! Maybe Threesie has some ideas on that....?) But I think we can agree it wasn't in Nottingham. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick seems to be a generally helpful editor, so maybe we can resolve some of his issues with the article. I suspect we may be short of WP:RS sources, that he will find frustrating. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite probably. This is not the first time that I have had/witnessed correspondence with 'pop' musicians, but given the world of hype that they live in, they do seem to struggle with the notion of editing guidelines. Many thanks for your efforts so far. I have dug out Colin Larkin's The Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music - Concise Edition, pp. 1135/6, 1997 - ISBN 1-85227-745-9, which may prove useful moving forward, although I am loathe to make editing changes until and when Nick returns. The 'Concise Edition' is a misnomer - it weighs in excess of 6lb (don't know how much, as my wife's kitchen scales only go up that far) and makes my Collins English Dictionary look positively slimline. Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a true heavyweight of a source. I wouldn't wait any longer than you want to. Nick has made it clear that he understands how editors work here. And, in any case, he said a month, but these rockstars have a habit of jetting off all over the shop, don't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, they are rather prone to - although Nick is 63 now, surely a bit late to be "'aving it large" ?! Anyhow, just for an update, I have edited Stereo MC's as far as I intend to at this juncture. Also I have effected some changes at the associated articles for Gee Street Records, Cath Coffey (sister of Costa), and Brit Awards 1994. Do we now wait and see ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I guess we can just wait, yes. Not Denise, then? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong venue
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Please examine the up-to-date information I have referenced in the talk page for the 737 MAX. It is factually incorrect in 2024 to imply that the Ethiopian and Indonesian crashes were purely caused by MCAS. Leaving out information that was discovered in the crash investigations and court cases does a disservice to readers. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] You are edit warring, so I've added a warning to your talk page. If you persist, you are likely to be blocked. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] I really, really hope you see that it is wrong to block someone for simply trying to correct factually incorrect information. Please examine the information I have included in the talk page. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] You have been invited to discuss your edits at Talk:Boeing 737 MAX. If you simply refuse, and continue to edit war, you'll be blocked. Possibly indefinitely. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] I started the "Major Updates Needed" topic on the talk page 7 days ago. The information is there for you and other users to reference. It is publicly available information from official, reliable sources. The sentence that you have continued to revert, "In 2019, the Boeing 737 MAX was grounded worldwide after a flight control system caused two new aircraft to crash..." is factually incorrect and my change to "In 2019, the Boeing 737 MAX was grounded worldwide after crashes..." simply removes the factually incorrect information. That requires no new source; the source referenced for that information is incorrect. Please, please help correct the 737 MAX article to remove all instances of editorialization. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 15:10, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] No, it's not factually incorrect, it's just a summary. If there had been no MCAS, these two crashes would not have happened and 346 people would not have died. You're meant to wait for consensus at the Talk page BEFORE you repeatedly restore your preferred wording in an article. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] Please, please examine the information I've referenced. I understand that many people feel very strongly about these particular crashes, but that should not override plain facts. Both sets of pilots did not follow established standard procedures for a stabilizer trim runaway, this is fact. Investigations from the NTSB confirm that the pilots could have safely flown the planes, regardless of MCAS, if they had followed these procedures. 2603:6080:5A07:C24C:2826:EC6A:8140:2117 (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] Do you understand that the appropriate venue for discussion is Talk:Boeing 737 MAX, not here? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply] I see you've now been blocked from Boeing 737 MAX. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Martinevans123!

You recently restored chunks of a previous version of Martin Heidegger with the edit description "unexplained removal of sourced content". If you look back through the edit history, however, I think you will find that these are mostly my edits, and that I provided fairly detailed descriptions of non-trivial changes that I made as I proceeded piecemeal through the article (which is how I prefer to edit—in the interest of transparency and so that other editors can revert more selectively where they might disagree). At the same time, I was also active on the talk page with respect to any more general issues that other editors might wish to raise. It's always possible I made some bad calls, but I didn't just delete blocks of content without justification.

In view of this, would you kindly consider self-reverting? And to make your desired changes in a manner that is likewise easier to track? I don't have any strong vision for the article, and I think you'll find me a fairly easy-going collaborator if you intend to do more work on it (and it definitely does still need work—esp. post-BT!) I just find it hard to track what's being changed when so many changes are being made together in a single edit.

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @PatrickJWelsh, you mean this edit I made yesterday? Whoever that brand new anon IP was, they could have offered at least two edit summaries? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mea culpa! I am even worse than I thought at interpreting diffs. I got to this through my watchlist and did not do my due diligence. You were reverting what I thought you were reinstating. That was the right call. I've reverted your self-revert with an edit description explaining that this was a misunderstanding, not a disagreement—and also inviting the IP editor to swing by the talk page if there are reasons to prefer the earlier version.

Thanks for being so gracious about this!

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 15:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must admit I was a bit bewildered. No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC) "I wanted a woman, never bargained for you"![reply]

Hi, can you please explain why you removed important citation confirming 59 MPs have signed no confidence EDM in the lead? Please consider reinstating urgently. Thanks "The lead must conform to verifiability, biographies of living persons, and other policies. The verifiability policy states that all quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports it." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lindsay-hoyle-commons-gaza-ceasefire-vote-latest-b2500595.html Jaymailsays (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per my edit summary, it was in line with WP:LEADCITE. As this is a plain fact, I'm not sure it's controversial or contentious. The material is fully supported, with the same source, in the main body of the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who is likely to challenge a fact like that? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was just about to challenge his date of birth but stopped when I saw that it had a handy cite in the lead!?! KJP1 (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Errrrm. Well the source I removed still says "60 MPs sign no-confidence motion". So not the best source for this. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2024 (UTC) p.s. it's now 65, which is still only 10% of MPs. And there's no criterion level or agreed procedure for this. Someone would have to place another EDM asking for a vote of no confidence. Hoyle has already apologised to the house twice and he seems to have acted out of a very sincere fear that MPs are in danger of reprisals if they don't get an opportunity to have their say. A re-run of the debate is still a possibility[reply]

Sure - I wasn’t questioning the removal, just why somebody felt his DOB with a matter of sufficient controversy to warrant a cite in the lead. As to the shameful goings-on at Westminster, I think it’s pretty wounding for Hoyle. When was the last time a Speaker was faced with a No Confidence motion supported by 60+ MPs? Bercow? I don’t think even he faced that, and he was a hell of a lot less popular than Hoyle. KJP1 (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think a lot of editors add the source for date of birth to the opening line of the article to save putting it in the infobox. I tend to try and put it next to an entry in "Early life". Not sure what Wiki policy says about this. Yes, compared to Bercow, Hoyle is much more respected on both sides of the house. Ben Wallace tweeted: "I have served under three speakers. Lindsay Hoyle is head and shoulders above the rest. He is fair, kind and a protector of back benchers. He is not a bully nor a grandstander nor pompous. He has my full support." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The date of birth should be cited in the body, then lead and infobox need no cite. Generally: The lead should only cite quotations and facts that only appear in the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For this and this. ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! So THAT'S what's occurin'! Thanks for the reminder. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:08, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if people meet Ruth Jones and are surprised to find that she doesn't look a bit like Nessa.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I often sees er down the slots, but she just ruddy blanks me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy St David's Day, from Tony and I! KJP1 (talk) 16:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And about time, too! What took you so long? "Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Hapus", as they say in Ystradgynlais!! The cheque's in the post... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. Middle name David. Due St David's Day 1948, arrived 3 days early. Never happened since. Good to see the copyvio project is completed; largely thanks to KJP1. Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, Tony! (That £100 Ann Summers voucher is on it's way! I won't tell anyone, honest.) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]