User talk:TrangaBellam

From Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Vajrasattva

manavyAḷakinca rAdaṭE
marmamella telpedanE manasA
ghanuḍaina rAma candruni
karuṇAntaraṅgamu telisina nA (manavi)
karma kAṇḍa matAkṛṣṭulai bhava
gahana cArulai gAsi jendaga
kani mAnavAvatAruḍai
kanipiñcinAḍE naḍata tyAgarAju (manavi)

— Tyagaraja

Yes, I do suffer from something of what the Japanese called a hōgan-biiki (判官贔屓) empathy in my approach to the world. It does influence what attracts my attention, meaning I sympathise with the silenced underdog in so many conflicts, be they Aboriginals or Palestinians or Tibetans. This as far as I am aware does not translate into being uncomfortable with my country of origins, or antisemitic, or hostile to Chinese. From distinct backgrounds, I gather, several editors share this interest and they tend to work well together because they subscribe to the same principles of evidence which are commended in academia as they are on wikipedia as ideals.

— Nishidani, en-wiki

Pr.[edit]

To Read[edit]

Palestine RfC Close[edit]

It is unsurprising (to me) that the three editors — who ask me to vacate the close on supposed violations of INVOLVED — are those who had !voted for Option 1 which stood rejected. For the sake of posterity, I find it prudent to note that about 51/52 editors chose Option 3/4 and 17/18 editors chose Option 1/2 — in other words, 3 of 4 participants were convinced that Option 3, at the very least, was necessary. There is no way that the discussion could have been closed differently by someone else, short of supervoting. That said, any editor can choose to convince the community at AN/ANI about the possibility of a different outcome. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I think you shouldn't be closing this RfC for similar reasons; if you have strong enough feelings on this conflict to have a quote at the top of this page expressing support for one of the parties you probably aren't sufficiently uninvolved to act as an administrator in the dispute. BilledMammal (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC) Comment originally made in #RfC 22:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I won't accede to your request for "I sympathize with Palestinians" doesn't translate to "I am INVOLVED" in wiki-speak. And, closing the RfC hardly required any significant discretion on my part, the result being fairly obvious. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this is an inappropriate non-admin close per WP:BADNAC. It's controversial as is clear by the fact that two editors are here contesting your close. I would suggest that an unbiased review of the arguments would have led to a different result. I suggest undoing your close and allowing an uninvolved administrator to review. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 15:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. TrangaBellam (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third editor, this type of statement made on top of your talk page is not great, and I strongly disagree with it being such a clear close. I would request you undo the change and let a fully uninvolved person close it. FortunateSons (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. TrangaBellam (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Closure challenge (at RSN)[edit]

FYI [1]. My very best wishes (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@My very best wishes: Noted with thanks. That said, I have no idea why you had me described as a non-admin participant. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you an administrator? If so, my apology. I had a discussion here. This is definitely not something I would try to close. But whatever. If anything, it was brave and bold. My very best wishes (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@My very best wishes You very-well know that my issue was with the word participant. To a fly-by editor, all it impresses upon, is that I partook in the RfC and went on to close it. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant a participant of the project, not a participant of the RfC, sorry. My very best wishes (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting usage, thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AN[edit]

Hey TrangaBellam, I went ahead and brought this to AN. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding India-related articles[edit]

Hello Tranga, I hope that you are not occupied with other tasks to take a look at this request. I wanted you to take a look at this article, which I believe is problematic in many way as it romanticises a legendary folklore as history. I am not too familiar with processes of removing problematic information appropriately but have noticed that are quite active with solving a lot of these issues pertaining to India-related articles. I would like to see what you think, as majority of the information is not from reliable sources at all. It seems to be a way of presenting legends in the guise of a reliable historical article and it bugs me because I know this is the case but it's not easy for me to make that clear to those who are not familiar with the romanticisation of historical conflicts in India. I don't know where a lot that which is mentioned in the article is actually from. I would appreciate your taking a look at this but if you are too occupied, then please remove this message as a heads up so I know to ask elsewhere. Thank you. Muydivertido (talk) 12:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to take it to WP:FTN and explain if the issue is that it represents folkloric legend as fact. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 21:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you![edit]

For trying. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you![edit]

And another for facing down the trolling. ——Serial Number 54129 15:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar[edit]

The Mediator Barnstar
For laudable work closing contentious discussions Chetsford (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kitten for you[edit]

CommunityNotesContributor has given you a kitten! Kittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Your kitten must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a kitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

CNC (talk) 04:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNN[edit]

[2] - this close has huge social impact effecting millions of people, short and long term. Any close is going to be controversial, but one by a non-admin editor more so. You should be careful about anyone contacting you directly. If that happens, speaking to the press will cause more controversy. -- GreenC 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These days, I am mostly inactive and I see no reason why the media might wish to get a byte of me, not that I am going to give them any. I do not edit Israel-Palestinian articles either. It's just another RfC — with a clear outcome — that should have been closed long ago. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A well-earned barnstar[edit]

The Closer's Barnstar
The encyclopedia suffers from a shortage of editors daring enough to close WP:ARBPIA RfCs. For months, it seemed like no potential closers wanted to touch the ADL RfC with a ten-foot pole. Then you came along and brought some much-needed closure to one of the most heated, consequential, and publicized RfCs I've ever seen in all my years on this site. As bold as it was for you to make the close as a non-administrator, you clearly made the right call as the subsequent admin closer upheld your decision and commented that no reasonable administrator would've closed it any differently. Let's hope you don't get too much unwanted negative attention from this. Great work.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TrangaBellam&oldid=1230181144"