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Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria. All editors are welcome to review nominations; please see the review FAQ. Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at Peer review and adding the review to the FAC peer review sidebar. Editors considering their first nomination, and any subsequent nomination before their first FA promotion, are strongly advised to seek the involvement of a mentor, to assist in the preparation and processing of the nomination. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make efforts to address objections promptly. An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time. The FAC coordinators—Ian Rose, Gog the Mild, David Fuchs and FrB.TG—determine the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the coordinators determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the coordinators: actionable objections have not been resolved; consensus for promotion has not been reached; insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met; or a nomination is unprepared. It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support. Do not use graphics or complex templates on FAC nomination pages. Graphics such as  Done and  Not done slow down the page load time, and complex templates can lead to errors in the FAC archives. For technical reasons, templates that are acceptable are {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}, used to hide offtopic discussions, and templates such as {{green}} that apply colours to text and are used to highlight examples without altering fonts. Other templates such as {{done}}, {{not done}}, {{tq}}, {{tq2}}, and {{xt}}, may be removed. An editor is allowed to be the sole nominator of only one article at a time, but two nominations are allowed if the editor is a co-nominator on at least one of them. If a nomination is archived, the nominator(s) should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating. None of the nominators may nominate or co-nominate any article for two weeks unless given leave to do so by a coordinator; if such an article is nominated without asking for leave, a coordinator will decide whether to remove it. A coordinator may exempt from this restriction an archived nomination that attracted no (or minimal) feedback. Nominations in urgent need of review are listed here. To contact the FAC coordinators, please leave a message on the FAC talk page, or use the {{@FAC}} notification template elsewhere. A bot will update the article talk page after the article is promoted or the nomination archived; the delay in bot processing can range from minutes to several days, and the {{FAC}} template should remain on the talk page until the bot updates {{Article history}}. Table of Contents – This page: Purge cache

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Nominating[edit] How to nominate an article Nomination procedure Before nominating an article, ensure that it meets all of the FA criteria and that peer reviews are closed and archived. Place {{subst:FAC}} at the top of the talk page of the nominated article and save the page. From the FAC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link or the blue "leave comments" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FAC talk page for assistance. Below the preloaded title, complete the nomination page, sign with ~~~~, and save the page. Copy this text: {{Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} (substituting Number), and edit this page (i.e., the page you are reading at the moment), pasting the template at the top of the list of candidates. Replace "name of ..." with the name of your nomination. This will transclude the nomination into this page. In the event that the title of the nomination page differs from this format, use the page's title instead. Commenting, etc[edit] Commenting, supporting and opposing Supporting and opposing Shortcut Wikipedia:FACSUPPORTOPPOSE To respond to a nomination, click the "Edit" link to the right of the article nomination (not the "Edit this page" link for the whole FAC page). All editors are welcome to review nominations; see the review FAQ for an overview of the review process. To support a nomination, write *'''Support''', followed by your reason(s), which should be based on a full reading of the text. If you have been a significant contributor to the article before its nomination, please indicate this. A reviewer who specializes in certain areas of the FA criteria should indicate whether the support is applicable to all of the criteria. To oppose a nomination, write *'''Object''' or *'''Oppose''', followed by your reason(s). Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, a coordinator may disregard it. References on style and grammar do not always agree; if a contributor cites support for a certain style in a standard reference work or other authoritative source, reviewers should consider accepting it. Reviewers who object are strongly encouraged to return after a few days to check whether their objection has been addressed. To withdraw the objection, strike it out (with <s> ... </s>) rather than removing it. Alternatively, reviewers may transfer lengthy, resolved commentary to the FAC archive talk page, leaving a link in a note on the FAC archive. To provide constructive input on a nomination without specifically supporting or objecting, write *'''Comment''' followed by your advice. For ease of editing, a reviewer who enters lengthy commentary may create a neutral fourth-level subsection, named either ==== Review by EditorX ==== or ==== Comments by EditorX ==== (do not use third-level or higher section headers). Please do not create subsections for short statements of support or opposition—for these a simple *'''Support''',*'''Oppose''', or *'''Comment''' followed by your statement of opinion, is sufficient. Please do not use a semicolon to bold a subheading; this creates accessibility problems. If a nominator feels that an Oppose has been addressed, they should say so, either after the reviewer's signature, or by interspersing their responses in the list provided by the reviewer. Per talk page guidelines, nominators should not cap, alter, strike, or add graphics to comments from other editors. If a nominator finds that an opposing reviewer is not returning to the nomination page to revisit improvements, this should be noted on the nomination page, with a diff to the reviewer's talk page showing the request to reconsider.

AC/DC[edit]

Nominator(s): VAUGHAN J. (t · c) and shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Australian rock band AC/DC, first widely known about their seventh studio album Back in Black (1980), an album in tribute to one of their members Bon Scott, due to him dying of alcohol poisoning. The article was created in 2002 by an IP user (203.36.248.17), first promoted to GA in 2006 by No-Bullet, and promoted to FA in 2007 also by No-Bullet, which then sadly got demoted in 2018. Five years later, me and shaidar cuebiyar have been working hard cleaning up the article to look like what it is now, and it is currently promoted to GA since 29 December 2023.

This is my second time nominating this article to FAC, because I withdrawed the last one that I first nominated, since there was a lot that needed to be fixed. The PR didn't work out since there was no reviewers 1 month after opening, but has been copyedited from GOCE (thanks to Mox Eden). So all feedback, constructive criticism, and suggestions are all welcome and very much appreciated. — VAUGHAN J. (t · c) 04:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Free and Candid Disquisitions[edit]

Nominator(s): Pbritti (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article covers a disproportionately influential religious pamphlet written by an otherwise minor figure in 18th-century English Protestant history. The pamphlet would prove the primary influence (besides the 1662 Book of Common Prayer) on American Anglican liturgies and served as a catalyst for the Unitarian prayer book tradition. However, its influence on the institution it was explicitly written for–the Church of England–was almost null. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serial[edit]

Will look in later today, UTC. ——Serial Number 54129 23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• File:Rev_Samuel_Clarke.jpg needs a US tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UC[edit]

Saving a space. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 09:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMac G3[edit]

Nominator(s): Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the mid-to-late 1990s, Apple Computer was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and irrelevance. They were saved by a combination of ruthless cost-cutting by their new interim CEO, Steve Jobs, and a hit product—the iMac G3, which if you lived through the era helped usher in the colorful candy plastics era of consumer products, as well as reshaping the idea of what computers were supposed to look like. This article was reviewed at GAN by DFlhb and I look forward to acting on comments here to make this article on a major product in computer history shine further. Thanks in advance for your time reviewing! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sodium[edit]

Putting myself down for a review. I intend to take a look at a review in a bit. (by next weekish) Sohom (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George E. Mylonas[edit]

Nominator(s): UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another archaeological biography, I'm afraid -- in lots of ways a sequel to the recently-promoted Alan Wace, as another of the major excavators of Mycenae. Mylonas was born to privilege in Smyrna, and had his studies in Athens interrupted by war: he witnessed the burning of his home town and was almost killed as a prisoner of war. He was the most prominent of the many Ionian refugees "adopted" by the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, and spent most of his career working in the United States and excavating in Greece. He is best known for his work on Grave Circle B at Mycenae, which provided a valuable counterweight to the older and far more rushed excavations of Heinrich Schliemann at Grave Circle A, and for his lovely appearance in Michael Wood's documentary on the Trojan War, in which he talks about visiting the citadel of Mycenae at night to talk to King Agamemnon. The article was reviewed at GA by Cplakidas: I have done my best to write it in American English, in keeping with Mylonas's lifelong association with American archaeology. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 12:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serial[edit]

• Curiously, archaeology isn't linked outside the IB? (I think—or have I missed something so obvious!)
  • It wasn't; perhaps overlinking, but now linked on first mention (of "archaeologist") in lead and body. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Who profiled him in 58? As in, an official capacity, year book, reference etc?
  • A local magazine in St. Louis: they themselves are pretty unimportant, except that they interviewed Mylonas and he shared this detail with them. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Mylonas attended Smyrna's Evangelical School, considered the most important Greek school in the city, until 1915". He attended until 1915, or it was only considered important up until then?
  • Given the comma before until, I think the only grammatically valid reading is the first, isn't it? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Per WP:INTERWIKI, the link looks odd; I've never seen that in running prose before. But maybe just my loss.
  • I'm not sure which one you mean: do you mean the interlanguage link to Greek Wikipedia? Those are pretty standard where a page exists only in another language (but might later be created in English). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "later an archaeologist ... by the archaeologist", can this be tweaked.
  • It can, and now has been. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "once again handed him to the Turks". There's no mention so far of the crew having already handed him over (or anyone else doing so, I think). Would "immediately handed him over" express it better?
  • Fair point: now "handed him back". UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "former teachers at the International College". Can they be named?
  • Not by the sources I have, unfortunately. I doubt any of them were particularly notable by Wikipedia's standards, as secondary-school teachers. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "construction ... conducted". Perhaps "under the aegis of" or "overseen by".
  • No objection, but I'm also not sure what problem is being solved here: do you think the alliteration is harmful? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• [Glad he got to see his Festschrift, at least]
• Any more dates available for his children?
  • I've added the birth dates for the named daughters (Eunice not from a great source, but I think it's good enough for the purpose). Will see if I can find one for Alexander. and now for Alexander as well. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "and taught at the same institution". This is slightly abrupt. From when? It's not automatic, of course, that he only would have started teaching on receiving his doctorate; I would expect from earlier. Any ideas?
  • Now "took a teaching post" -- not got the sources to be much more precise, unfortunately. Looking back at the source, it's even less precise; simply has "where he taught". I've gone for Mylonas taught at the University of Athens, from which he received his Ph.D. in 1927. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "to which he gave its modern name". Wot had it previously been called?
  • We don't know what its ancient name was, but it's worth being clear, I think, that "Cult Center" is only really an educated guess as to what the building is/was. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great article, I learned much. Cheers! ——Serial Number 54129 14:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media review (LunaEclipse)[edit]

• Infobox image is fair use and has a solid rationale.
• Second image is PD, so that passes too.
• Grave Circle B image is not a copyvio, so it gets a pass.
• Image of his grave is also freely licensed, so it also gets a pass.
• "Eleusis Amphora" image is also freely licensed.

Support on media. Good job! 🌙Eclipse ^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you: much appreciated. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review (Generalissima)[edit]

• Lede is uncited besides the O.S. footnote, and I don't see any claims here that need citations. Good for LEDECITE.
• Everything in all body sections is cited, as are both footnotes. I don't see any potentially controversial claims that are uncited.
• Getting to the meat of this, the citation sections are well formatted. The section and subsection headings here are clearly labeled.
• Works cited are in alphabetical order, looks good here.
• Everything that has pages has page numbers.
• I won't go into detail on all the modern academic sourcing, but will look over things that seem weird at first glance.
  • Dr. Vogeikoff-Brogan's From the Archivist's Notebook is a blog, but she is a subject matter expert and so it works for these purposes.
  • Mylonas' cites go into the Selected Works section instead of the Works Cited. Huh. I have never seen this done before, but it's not against the rules and you did on Wace so thank you for the idea! This is really interesting.
  • Very old sources like MacLachlan, Luce, and Capps are used sparingly for biographical details and never as far as I can tell for anything controversial; when they give subjective opinions, they're attributed. Seems good to go on that front.
  • In Search of the Trojan War is used correctly to establish he was interviewed for this. It's cited correctly for video works.
• Sources are consistently formatted. All books that existed at a time where ISBNs were commonplace have them, and older ones have OCLCs. Journal articles have DOIs, and ISSNs, and JSTOR numbers when applicable, as do the sparing books where the same is available. Good job here, this is hard to get right.
• Overall, I don't see any source problems. I don't think a spot check is necessary here, but I can of course do one if you would so request. Support on source review. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for doing this -- you have anticipated just about everything I thought I might have to explain! Greatly appreciate your time and diligence on the review. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blackrocks Brewery[edit]

Nominator(s): Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blackrocks is a small craft brewery in Marquette, Michigan, US, located on the south shore of Lake Superior. Over the last 14 years it has grown from a (remarkably) small operation in a former residential home to being Michigan's ninth-largest brewer.

This article is a change of pace for me, as all of my previous FAs are related to warships. It has undergone a GAN by An anonymous username, not my real name and a pre-FAC review from Mike Christie. Thanks for your thoughts! Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I don't have anything to add to the comments I made on the talk page. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• Suggest adding alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Route 101[edit]

Nominator(s): SounderBruce 03:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hugging the Pacific Ocean for most of its 1,500 miles, this highway is both a scenic route and an engineering marvel with dozens of grand bridges, including an orange suspension bridge that you may have heard of. This article on U.S. Route 101, also known as "the 101" in the Los Angeles area and the "Redwood Highway" or "Pacific Coast Highway" in more scenic areas, was overhauled last year and I've finished some recent tweaks that I believe bring it up to FA standards. It is a summary article with three sub-articles for each of the states it passes through, so some details are left to those instead. SounderBruce 03:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bäckadräkten[edit]

Nominator(s): Dugan Murphy (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier this year I saw a Swedish folk musician named Fredy Clue perform while wearing an outfit that looked pretty special: Bäckadräkten. Being a fan of folk music, but also from the US, I didn't know much about folk costumes. Talking to Clue, I learned a little bit about what they were wearing and why it is special. Looking into it online, the costume looked like a notable subject without a Wiki article, so I spent some time going through all the reliable sources I could find and drafting something something I think is worthy of FAC. I collected a few relevant photos and got the permissions necessary to include them in the article. I've seen 8 other articles through the FAC and FL, but all of them on historical topics. This is my first on a current topic, relying entirely on modern media. Thank you in advance for taking a look at the article and making some comments! Dugan Murphy (talk) 16:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draken Bowser[edit]

Ida Björs, of Järvsö? She's got to be a relative of the famous potato farmers. Anyways:

• Design: I stumbled a bit during my first read through since "the hardest part of the costume" is used twice, only to realize it deals with either of the co-designers in turn. Do you think it would make sense to combine the statements into one sentence? -- "The brooch pins together the costume's square standing collar" feels incomplete.

Somebody commented on the talk page about this aspect of the article, so now that you bring it up, I really think it's worth addressing. I've reworded that section to more clearly juxtapose the two opinions. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Background: I think the 20th century revival needs to be more clearly presented as a revival. Otherwise it might be unclear that regional costumes had already existed among the peasantry at parish level, while (iirc) the novelty of the 20th century was the creation of costumes representing entire landscapes (and of course the Sverigedräkt, but there are no issues as to how that's presented).

I just reworded that section, adding a couple words like romantic nationalism from the source. I'm not sure I can say what you're looking for without an additional source to draw from that speaks to folk costume history more generally. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Development: "nor collaborated with a project partner on a clothing project."

That's a fine recommendation. Accepted. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Release: "Sweden's first unisex folk costume" - one instance of notestacking is not worth quarreling over. Still, do you think one or two could be removed?

I do. The stacked citations are there to support that a longer version of that sentence which stated Bäckadräkten is widely reported as the first. Somebody recently pointed out this was WP:SYNTH, and removed the "widely reported" claim. Now it seems we can get by with just one citation, which is what you'll now see. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Reception: I think Clue gets just a little bit too much space to expound on their views here. Do you think the second paragraph could be shortened?

Shortened. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regards. Draken Bowser (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for taking the time to read through the article and make a few comments! I look forward to the source review. Dugan Murphy (talk) 20:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

Spot check

Pending

Overall

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KNXV-TV[edit]

Nominator(s): Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pound-for-pound, the most interesting TV station in Phoenix is probably the one with an N for "News" in its call sign yet which mocked local newscasts with the "Bluebird of Happinews" in its early years. After years of funding-related delays, KNXV turned up in 1979 as the first new English-language TV station in Phoenix in 12 years. It got built mostly as a conduit for ON TV programming (and is part of the ON TV Good Topic), but cable became widespread enough by 1983 that it was one of the first markets where the company withdrew. After being sold to Scripps-Howard Broadcasting and affiliating with Fox in 1986, KNXV found its stride and eclipsed heritage KPHO-TV, a station that failed to get with the times, as the leading independent station in the market. Plans for a newscast became reality in 1994—in time to be scrambled by a huge affiliation realignment which sent ABC to 15. In spite of substantial early promise and a style distinguishing it from its four competitors, News 15 scuffled hard after changes in management and talent. More recently, the station has expanded its news output and improved its quality, as demonstrated by two Peabody Awards in consecutive years. Thank you to Lee Vilenski (GA reviewer in March 2022) and Valley of the Sun Retail for providing the studio image. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• File:KNXV-TV_studios_2023.jpg is lacking evidence of permission. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria A user put that image (and some others I want to use in articles) up in a Discord server. I asked him to release them under CC-BY-SA 4.0 for Wikipedia purposes; he agreed and, on the advice of User:Snowmanonahoe in WP:DISCORD, edited the messages to add "Images released under CC-BY-SA 4.0". He did not want to create an account and wanted me to upload the image. Is there additional documentation, short of a VRT ticket, that would help? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:07, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is the image available elsewhere online? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria It is not. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

K. To my knowledge VRT doesn't generally accept secondhand permissions, particularly if we can't verify that that user owns the photo copyright, so we might be stuck here. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria The user in question *did* take the photo—that I know. Do you think I need to have him go through the VRT process? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would probably be the best option. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a bit of overkill, especially because the Discord server is public (I could link an invite if you wanted and then point you to the message in question), but... I'm working on it. It may not happen until tonight because the creator I think works during the day. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to believe the claim is false. Sammi Brie could've just uploaded the photos as own work. This is the same thing. A VRT ticket doesn't make any sense here because this person has no verifiable online contact information. The ticket would be verifying the identity of a random guy whom we don't even know is the actual photographer because his photos are not publicly available. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 19:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unfortunately, if we go by that logic we're back to being stuck. (And uploading stuff as own work which is not own work is not a good workaround for that). Nikkimaria (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I was trying to convey by that point is that when someone makes a claim of own work, it is no less dubious than the claim Sammi Brie is making--that she was given permission to upload an otherwise unpublished work by a personal friend. The copyright status of the photo is not 'stuck' anywhere, because there is nowhere Sammi Brie could've gotten the photo besides the photographer, because the photo is not published. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 21:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not doubting Sammi's good faith here, but as far as I'm aware every time this situation has come up on Commons, the response has always been to send them through VRT, just because having a copy of a photo is not evidence of permission. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think there is significant doubt of the file's free status, you can open a DR. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 22:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got him to generate a release for that image. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine, Princess of Wales[edit]

Nominator(s): MSincccc (talk), Keivan.f (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have collaborated on enhancing the article Catherine, Princess of Wales by updating its sources and refining its prose. With our combined efforts, we believe the article is now ready for submission to FAC. We seek to present a comprehensive and well-researched portrayal of Catherine's life and contributions, and we are committed to ensuring its accuracy and quality throughout the review process. Your feedback and support would be greatly appreciated as we endeavor to achieve recognition for this important piece of work. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• Suggest adding alt text
  • Done.
    • Further fixed a few alt text for a neater presentation and enhanced accuracy.

• File:CatherineSignature.svg: signatures are not generally PD in the UK
  • Removed.

• File:Cambridge_family_at_Trooping_the_Colour_2019_-_03.jpg is quite poor quality
  • No other pictures of the five of them together exists on the Commons. Personally I think it's better than nothing, though if the Community thinks it's of no encyclopedic value then we'll discard it.

• File:Royals.18d884.1850611.jpg: source link is dead
  • It was uploaded by User:Janwikifoto. His identity has been verified and archived in the Wikimedia Volunteer Response Team Software, to which I do not have access. But given their track record I really doubt that there is a copyright issue here.
    • It appears that that user has had a number of images deleted over copyright concerns. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Removed it as a precautionary measure to avoid problems down the line. Keivan.f^Talk 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• File:Arms_of_Catherine,_Princess_of_Wales.svg needs a tag for the original design. Ditto File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Kate_Middleton.svg, File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge_(2011-2019).svg, File:Coat_of_Arms_of_Catherine,_Duchess_of_Cambridge.svg, File:Combined_Coat_of_Arms_of_William_and_Catherine,_the_Duke_and_Duchess_of_Cambridge.svg
  • These are the sources: 1, 2, 3. They are already cited in the article's body, so I suppose you want them added to the file descriptions?
    • Those sources indicate these designs are copyrighted? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • The arms were recreated by User:Sodacan for use on the Commons and many of them are in use at Coat of arms of the United Kingdom. There have been some discussions about some of the arms and monograms (1, 2, 3) and the result has been mostly 'keep' since they can be classified as original work. I think even the BBC copied them from us in two instances (1, 2). Keivan.f^Talk 04:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • It does not appear that those discussions arrived at the conclusion that these are original work - two were discussions unrelated to copyright, and the third involved a design old enough to be PD. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

          How should we proceed then @Nikkimaria? Regards. MSincccc (talk) 13:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

          • You'd need to either find appropriate tags for these or remove them. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

            @Nikkimaria Should I temporarily remove them until I can find suitable tags for the noted images? Regards. MSincccc (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

            @Nikkimaria Removed the images mentioned from the article in the absence of an appropriate tag. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

            • Yeah, remove them for now. But this is beyond the scope of this discussion. I single handedly cannot determine the copyright status of several coats of arms which is why I'll most probably start a deletion discussion on the Commons to address the issue. Keivan.f^Talk 15:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
              • Coats of arms should be OK as long as they are drawn from the blazon and not direct copies, per Commons:Commons:Coats of arms. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

                Should I re-insert the Coat of Arms that have been removed then without an appropriate image tag @DrKay and @Nikkimaria? Do let us know. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

                I started a discussion on the Commons before seeing your message. If Commons:Commons:Coats of arms does indeed apply then I can withdraw that deletion request. Otherwise, I'll let the community decide because we are here to discuss the content of this article not the copyright status of several coats of arms in detail and I feel this discussion is going off track. Keivan.f^Talk 17:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

                • @Nikkimaria: Re "needs a tag for the original design"—there is no original design for any of these. Coats of arms are rendered based on their blazon—a written description in standardized language. Each rendition is an original work in its own right. These files are, indeed, missing the {{Coa blazon}} tag, which clarifies this issue, but in terms of copyright and licensing they are all already appropriately tagged. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 02:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• File:Potternewton_Hall_Estate;_home_of_Olive_Middleton_(nee_Lupton)_and_her_cousin_Baroness_von_Schunck_(nee_Kate_Lupton).jpg: when and where was this first published? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The uploader is still active on the Commons so I left a message to enquire about the file's origin. I'm waiting for their response. Keivan.f^Talk 04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Nikkimaria Do you have any additional suggestions regarding the images used, their captions, and licensing? If so, please share your thoughts. Thank you for your feedback. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 07:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (novel)[edit]

Nominator(s): SchroCat (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RL events meant I had to withdraw the last nom and take a break from FAC for a month, but it’s time for this to return now. All constructive comments welcome. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Nikkimaria. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 05:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from PMC[edit]

Per my previous support. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks PMC: it was much appreciated then and again now, Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Tim riley[edit]

I supported last time and support again. Three v. minor points from a rereading:

• "Goldeneye, his holiday home in Jamaica" – I had the impression from various biographies of Noël Coward that Goldeneye was Fleming's main residence, but I see from Lycett's biography (p. 236) that his main residence was in London. No need to mention that here, but I wonder if you, as the main editor of the FA on Fleming, might clarify that in his article?

  I haven't been near that article since the IB warriors made it all so unpleasant. If one of them wants to do it, I'll leave it to them. - SchroCat (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "For more than a year, the Secret Service agent James Bond ..." – should Secret Service be capitalised? Lycett lower-cases it and so does our brief Wikipedia article.

  I think it probably should be capitalised. It was the proper (if fictional) name that Fleming gave the organisation, so I think it should be kept. (The secret service article is talking about the generic use of the term, which is why it's lower case). - SchroCat (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• In the third para of the development section Lanne-Mirrlees is given both barrels of his surname three times but is just Mirrlees once in between the others.

  No idea how I missed that one. Now happily re-"Lanne-"ed. - SchroCat (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing there to unwangle my nurdles and I'm happy to repeat my support for the elevation of this article to FA. – Tim riley talk 09:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for these, Tim: all dealt with for this article, and thank you for your third set of comments on this. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Draken Bowser[edit]

Smashing, ain't nothing left to do here but to pledge.

• "the line of the Bonds of Peckham" - was this introduced at some earlier point? I'm not quite following.
• Style: I'd prefer using the full name for the first mention of "Amis", "Palmer" and "Benson", at least for "Palmer" who wasn't mentioned in the preceding section, and similarly for "McDermid", "Black" and "Sauerberg" under "Themes".

Regards. Draken Bowser (talk) 21:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Draken Bowser. I'm not a huge fan of repeating the first name after the first use, but I've taken a middle path with these suggestions, and if the name was not given in the preceding section, then I've added the first name here for clarity. I think that means I've done all but one (possibly two) of your suggestions above. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from KJP1[edit]

In gobbets, over the weekend. Feel free to respond as I go, or once I'm done, when I'll ping you. After an initial read through, I'm expecting them to be minor.

Lead

• "Bond finds Blofeld based in Switzerland and attacks the centre where he is based" - drop the first "based" to avoid repetition?
• "to deal with the disruption of markets and the economy" - I wonder about a bluelink for "markets", to ensure readers don't think Blofeld is overturning vegetable stalls, etc.?
• "disruption to the food supply" - similarly, you could link "disruption to the food supply".

Plot

• "tracking down the private criminal organisation SPECTRE" - I'm assuming "private" is to compare it to something like the Wagner Group, and contrast it with a national organisation such as SMERSH, but it still reads slightly oddly to me. "organised crime enterprise/operation SPECTRE"?
• "Blofeld's lair atop Piz Gloria, a fictional mountain in the Swiss Alps" - I see that Piz Gloria is actually the Schilthorn and that it has a, rather spectacularly-sited, restaurant, the Piz Gloria, atop its peak. But as you're writing about the novel, rather than the film, all this may be irrelevant!
• "The two of them drive off on their honeymoon but, a few hours later, Blofeld and Bunt drive past firing a machine gun; Tracy is killed in the attack" - to avoid the repetition and as Bunt is the only one firing the machine gun, perhaps, "The two of them depart on their honeymoon but, a few hours later, Blofeld and Bunt attack the car and Tracy is killed"? I had to watch the last part of the film to remind myself of this scene - Lazenby was a rather wooden actor!

Thanks KJP1. All these covered, and I'm happy to see any more of you comments. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Development - Inspirations

• "The name "Hilary Bray" was that of an old-Etonian" - quite prepared for you or Salome Otterbourn to tell me I'm wrong, but does "old Etonian" require the hyphen here?

  I don't think so, or, at least, I don't think I've ever seen is used in such a way (technically, it would mean a current Etonian who is old, as opposed to that particular group of individuals with an overdeveloped and misplaced sense of self-entitlement, the Old Etonians). - SchroCat (talk) 10:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Our article on the splendidly-named Robin Ian Evelyn Milne Stuart le Comte de La Lanne-Mirrlees claims that Lanne-Mirrlees was actually a/the main model for Bond. It's sourced to a pay-walled Telegraph obit, which I can't access. But other sources also suggest his character, particularly his frequent bed-hopping, as a source for Bond's own predilections, [1]! Worth a mention?

  I've taken it out of the L-M article, as the source doesn't quite say what it's claiming to, and b. It's utter tosh! OHMSS was the eleventh Bond book Fleming wrote, by which point most of the character (including the bed-hopping, which was one of Fleming's own traits), had already been included in the character a long time before. - SchroCat (talk) 10:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Publication and reception - Publication history

• "the remainder were signed and marked For Presentation" - purely for information, I see the lovely, and expensive, sellers, Adrian Harrington, had Lanne-Mirrlees' signed copy for sale for 11,000 dollars! [2]

  Wow... Mind you, it's something like £25k for a fine copy of a first edition Casino Royale, so I'm not too surprised at the big figures! - SchroCat (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And that's my lot. Trivial indeed, and am pleased to Support. KJP1 (talk) 10:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much KJP; a pleasure as always. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: I gave the article a full run-out on its previous visit here, and now have nothing left to complain about. It is an excellent piece of work. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 05:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Many thanks UndercoverClassicist, your comments last time were extremely helpful. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tornado outbreak of February 12, 1945[edit]

Nominator(s): The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about...a deadly tornado outbreak in the United States during February 1945. This article reached GA status last year and for over a month, it was posted for a peer review, receiving a no-comment silent consensus. The tornado outbreak included a tornado described by the U.S. government as “the most officially observed one in history”, which eventually led to the Alabama national guard having to intervene. I am excited for this FAC, as this article was my first GA, which I also created last year, and this is my very first FAC. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

750h[edit]

I'll leave some comments.. 750h+ 03:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Earlier that day, another tornado – also estimated to be F3 intensity – struck Meridian, Mississippi, killing 5–7 people." ==> "Earlier that day, another tornado – also estimated to be F3 intensity – struck Meridian, Mississippi, killing five to seven people." per MOS:NUMBER

Done. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• $1.7 million (1945 USD) shouldn't be used. Use this template: $1.7 million (${{format price|{{Inflation|US|17000000|1945}}}} in {{Inflation-year|US}} dollars{{Inflation-fn|US}})

That's all I got. nice work. 750h+ 03:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pinging @750h+: Just in case there is any other comments you wanted to add. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nope. Support--nice work. 750h+ 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sammi Brie[edit]

Comments: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "reached within 0.5 miles from the U.S. Weather Bureau's office" should be miles of

Done The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "This brief intense tornado" add a comma after "brief"

Done. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The tornado destroyed two barns and four other buildings, and injured one person." There is one subject here: "tornado". As a result, "injured one person" isn't a sentence. WP:CINS: remove the comma or change "and injured" to "injuring" to preserve it.

Done - Switched "and injured" to "injuring". Sentence is now: "The tornado destroyed two barns and four other buildings, injuring one person." The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The tornado started 5 miles (8.0 km) southwest of Montgomery, Alabama and moved northeast, towards Montgomery where it would brush the western edge."
  • MOS:GEOCOMMA add after "Alabama"
  • Toward, not towards
  • Complete the appositive by adding a comma after the second use of "Montgomery"

All done. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pinging @Sammi Brie: Just in case there is any other comments you wanted to add. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:54, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @WeatherWriter: One last thing. Is it common for articles in this field to be MDY dates in prose but DMY dates in their references? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sammi Brie: If you are referring to [Ref 4 as example] something like "(2 December 2022)" for the publishing and/or access date, then that would be Wikipedia's internal doing with the citation assistant ("Cite Web", "Cite Journal", ect...). The Wikipedia citation assistant automatically puts it in DMY. However, typically U.S.-based tornado articles are MDY in prose. Should I quickly manually change to MDY in the citations? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There is a script to help do this, but I went with another method to do it quickly. Happy to Support the prose here. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricanehink[edit]

WeatherWriter sought out my feedback, so I wanted to transclude those comments.

• Immediately, I notice that the lead is too short.
• You say in the lead that Thomas P. Grazulis was a tornado expert, but you don't say his relationship to the information here. When did he assess these F ratings? In addition, the article reads as if it was told by Grazulis, since that's the first thing that I read after the lead. I would expect a section on meteorological synopsis.

There is 0 meteorological synopsis history on the event as far as I am aware (none from the U.S. Weather Bureau, NOAA, or Grazulis). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "That said, the National Weather Service (NWS) office in Birmingham, Alabama, published a list of tornadoes, which occurred in Alabama, during 1945." - is that true? The website most certainly wasn't in 1945.

The NWS website cited there, which exists in at least 2023/2024, does state those ratings for tornadoes in 1945. I do not know how else to phrase that, so any guidance on phrasing how the NWS (sometime since the Internet has existed) rated those tornadoes back in 1945 on the Fujita scale would be helpful. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe title the first section "Background", so it can include the fact that there was a tornado outbreak that day and establish where it was. Some kind of intro. And then the second paragraph could lead with "Until 1971, there was no formal method for assessing tornado intensity, until the Fujita scale was developed in 1971. In 1993 (correct?), Thomas P. Grazulis..." and then discuss how Grazulis talked about the outbreak. The article seems notable enough to have an article, but it needs to do a stronger job with putting everything into context, and that's the difference between a featured article and a good article. Let me know if you need help here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Why is there a sub-section for February 12 event, when all of the events were on the same day?

Standard process for tornado articles. We do that in modern-day events as well (Tornado outbreak of March 13–15, 2024 is an example). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was a multi-day outbreak. What about any other single day outbreaks? And for that matter, were there other tornadoes on February 11 or 13th as part of the same system? Have you checked newspapers for that? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The article is formatted like a list, but it's abstract in how it talks about some of the lesser significant events. Like, you say "The tornado started", "This brief intense tornado struck a cluster", and "The tornado destroyed". I'm being nitpicky here, but you came to me for my advice, and one of my main rules for writing is avoid using the passive voice. You used phrases like "A home was leveled", by what? If you want some variation to saying tornado, you could always say "twister". But you should least say something like "The tornado" did something

I will take a look at the article and see how to remove some of that passive voice. You are right though, I did use a lot of it. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• " The U.S. Weather Bureau documented that this long-track tornado killed 40 people and injured 200 others." - did the tornado kill 40 or 11?

They said 40 in a formal publication, then months later, said 11. That phrase is because the original official publication said that. Same idea as when NHC said Ian was Cat 4, then months later, Cat 5. The difference in this case though, is that the "40" was not preliminary, but the actual official release, which was later formally changed months later. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you know that the "40" was incorrect, then you don't need to include it. If you want to, you could say "initial reports of upward of 40 deaths", but even that is wish-washy. With the benefit of hindsight, Wikipedia articles should do their best to identify what happened, when it happened. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• There should be a source at the bottom of the table for all of the events. Otherwise, where is the source for all of the tornado widths, F ratings, all that.

Just a question, do the sources for the summaries not count as that as the sources citing the tornado summaries are the sources for widths/deaths, ect...? I can certainly do that if you think it would be beneficial, but I am not sure if that would be considered overlinking to others. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources would count if you identified the width and length. Also, I notice you include time of formation, but not the duration of tornado. Any reason? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Are you sure about the number of railroad cars derailed? I came across this source after a quick Google search.

Wow, you just found a source discrepancy! Grazulis was the source for the number of train cars derailed, but that newspaper article says differently. I will add that information to the article tomorrow and note the difference in sources. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speaking of sources, are you sure you've gotten as many sources as possible, and used as much useful information? As I noted earlier, there wasn't a meteorological synopsis.

See note earlier about that.

• "5 miles (8.0 km) " - why do you have 8.0? Your other usage of km doesn't have the .0

I actually have no idea and I have no idea how to fix that. It straight up is "{{convert|5|mi|km}}. Template being weird? Honestly, not sure. If you know how to fix that, please let me know. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The tornado started 5 miles (8.0 km) southwest of Montgomery, Alabama and moved northeast, towards Montgomery where it would brush the western edge." - that's three references to the cardinal direction. Maybe split it up a bit and add the time of day here? Also, the material you have in the second paragraph seems more appropriate for the first paragraph, like the length of the tornado path, and width.

Paragraph split was done by a GA reviewer last year when the article was up for GA. I would probably want someone else to mention the paragraph splitting before changing it, only due to the fact it was split to get to GA status. The cardinal direction thing though seems odd now that I think about it. Also there isn't a time of day listed. One thing I can say is this is a tornado from 1945 and the information about it is no where close to what NWS or NHC would produce in 2024 for tornadoes/tropical depressions. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The tornado leveled two government or U.S. army warehouses." - that seems a bit odd to be the second thing you mention in the section. I would think the first paragraph would be a summary, before getting into the impacts.

GA-reviewer split for that. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "were ripped and tossed about like match boxes" - who said this? You have a random quote in there without attributing it.

There is a citation immediately following the quote. I can add who stated the quote though (Associated Press with no direct author name), however, I am unsure the best way to state it. Maybe this?

"A freight train was also struck, where, according to the Dothan Eagle and Associated Press, 50 cars "were ripped and tossed about like match boxes".[3]"

Any thoughts about the wording for it before I add it to the article? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At that point, is the 50 cars part worth being included in the quote, or not? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• For all of the fatalities in Montgomery, you don't really go into much detail about any of them. Were they all in people's houses?

The info about the fatalities was in this part: After hitting Montgomery, the tornado struck Chisholm, Alabama, where it caused catastrophic damage. Thirty homes were completely swept away in Chisholm. All the fatalities from this tornado occurred in 15 homes within a 20-block radius. That is all the information about those exact deaths as well from Grazulis, U.S. Weather Bureau, and Rich Thomas.

• You describe the tornado as "devastating" twice in the lead, but don't provide much context. Are tornadoes are in Alabama? Had Montgomery ever been hit by a tornado? Was this event the deadliest in its history?
• I see a lot here that could be potentially useful. Rich Thomas, the author, is also cited below, and in this random source
• This site says Montgomery County tornado deaths are rare, and that this event was indeed Montgomery County's deadliest, as well as other deadly events since then.

Added! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So that's a lot right off the bat. I wonder if the FAC was perhaps a bit premature, but I don't want to tell you what not to do. Let me know if you have questions. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 07:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink: some information has been added based on your comments! I really thank you so much for the comments and I know you were being nit-picky on purpose. FAC's involve the nit-picky details. Hopefully I was able to explain some of them and I also left a few questions. Since your comment was more in a bullet-list format, I hope you don't mind that I replied individually to them under the bullet point. I really do thank you for the comments. One other thing: Would you care if I leave a transclude-link to this talk page discussion over on the FAC page? Before your reply, someone else had already commented on the FAC page, so trancluding this discussion over there would probably be useful. But, I wanted to ask before just doing it. Again, thank you for the comments and maybe (just maybe) I can get it to FA-status. (fingers crossed). The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With this edit, the comments have been transcluded. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis W. Green[edit]

Nominator(s): PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am excited to bring you my fourth FAC on a president of Centre College, this one about the school's fifth president and one of two members of its first graduating class. A skilled minister and educator, Lewis W. Green was president of Hampden–Sydney College in Virginia where he increased their enrollment and endowment and declined offer after offer from numerous other schools. After seven years there he departed for Kentucky's Transylvania University, though he stayed just over a year before returning to lead his alma mater. His five-plus-year term saw the outbreak of the Civil War and the school's use as a field hospital for both sides of the conflict at separate times. He died in office in 1863 after visiting injured soldiers and falling sick, and was buried a walking distance away from Centre in Bellevue Cemetery. Any and all comments and feedback, as always, are much appreciated! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

• Suggest adding alt text

• File:Lewis_W._Green_grave.jpg needs a tag for the original work. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria alt text added. Do you think the little sculpture on the gravestone counts as an architectural work? I'm having trouble finding the applicable copyright category for it. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The whole stone would be a sculptural work. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nikkimaria I'm not able to find a copyright template for sculptures separately so I have used {{PD-US-expired}}; does this suffice in this instance? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ajpolino[edit]

Interesting article on a topic I knew nothing about. Minor comments at first readthrough. Will return for more, hopefully soon.

• "Green left Kentucky after a short time once again, this time in 1840..." suggest shortening to "Green again left Kentucky in 1840..." (or just "Green moved to Pittsburg..." or something like that)
• "board of trustees in short order."
• "institutions was Transylvania, who recruited" should it be "which recruited" since Transylvania is not a person (even though it's obviously standing in here for people associated with the school)?
• "After being elected president of Centre College in August 1857, Green accepted the position following his departure from Transylvania and entered office in January 1858." seems a lot of words to communicate something like "Green was elected president of Centre College, and took up the position in January 1858."
• "Kentucky as a consequence of being elected to teach at Centre" a bit clunky. Suggest "Kentucky when he was elected to teach at Centre"
• "The pair spent two weeks... Ullmann, and Wilhelm Gesenius." makes it sound like husband and wife both studied under these theologians. True? Or was it just husband?
• "he made the decision to emancipate his..." shorten to "he emancipated his..."?
• "go Green decided to free them..." shorten to "go Green freed them..."?
• "he recovered in a short time and was soon after back to preaching" had to read this twice to understand. Could we simplify to something like "he soon recovered and returned to preaching"?
• "devote himself in a full-time role to preaching" shorten to "devote himself to preaching full-time" (or something like that)?
• "He was a popular professor and preacher among students and rarely were there large-scale disagreements between the students and faculty" this reads oddly. What are you trying to get across with the second part? Seems like most schools would rarely have "large-scale disagreements between the students and faculty".
  • Removed that part. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "in August 1851 he was successful... slavery in Washington, D.C." also odd to read. What does it mean to be "successful in debating" something?
  • I did word that kind of weird - I just meant that he was debating that issue and that he won the debate. It's not super relevant, though, so I removed it. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• What does "being withdrawn from the benefits of the... charter" mean?
• "It took until the 1954 election... for Hampden–Sydney to conduct an outside hire for president again." is this relevant? Maybe they just had internal candidates they happened to like for many years. It's not clear this belongs in a biography of Lewis Green.
  • I guess I felt like it showed that he was a sought-after leader who was a kind of exception to a norm for HSC - if you think it isn't relevant enough I can remove it though.
• "on which occasion he delivered an address which was untitled." is this important?
• "he led a campaign in support of the temperance movement and gave a lecture to the same effect." - do we need the note about the lecture? Seems like that could be considered part of his "campaign".
• "During this first year... the 1857–1858 academic year." not sure this is necessary information, especially since the school will be dissolved in the next sentence.
  • I have clarified that the first "the school" mentioned in the sentence was Transy, not just the normal school - I think a picture of how Transy was doing in the midst of this reorganization is relevant enough especially considering Green's time at the school was, in a way, defined by this period of change
• "His inaugural address was given on..." I'm not an anti-passive-voice person, but this instance seems to cry out to be reformulated to "He gave his inaugural address on..."
• "By April, just months after he had taken office, he was named..." don't need this clause – we remember his term start was January from just two sentences earlier.
• "this was a position he held until..." could be slightly snappier as "he held this position until..."
• "due to the Civil War and its proximity to Centre" due to the school's proximity to Centre? Or do to the Civil War's proximity to Centre (so to speak)?
  • The latter (Centre is the school) - I tried to expand on that in the following sentence PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "The college did not reopen until October 27 and thirteen days of classes were ultimately lost." seems unnecessarily repetitive, especially emphasizing a relatively short gap (I expected to read that the college remained closed until the war's end).
  • Removed second part. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "main building, was still occupied; at one point" perhaps this sentence should say it was occupied and being used as a hospital. Then the next sentence wouldn't seem such a surprise.
• " autopsies in progress on their way to a professor's office" very strange way to end the section on his career. Perhaps the sources allow another sentence or two on Green's role during the civil war, and his involvement in the hospital operations that (presumedly) led to his death?
  • I have to run to class but I will take a look through the sources when I have some time later this afternoon. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• "Green is a member of the..." right before this, it would fit nicely to note that he and Lawrence (I assume) had X children together (two?) so it doesn't come as a surprise that one married into a political family.
• "This period of illness... biographer Leroy Halsey." suggesting moving this up a half-sentence so that it precedes "he died...".

@Ajpolino: Thank you for the review! I won't have a ton of time with my computer this weekend so I am hoping to address your comments by tomorrow or Monday - apologies for the delay. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ajpolino: I believe everything has been changed or responded to (save for one thing)! Thanks again! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hearst Tower (Manhattan)[edit]

Nominator(s): Epicgenius (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about another skyscraper in New York City. This time, it's the headquarters of the media conglomerate Hearst Communications, which has occupied the site for nearly a century. The tower is unusual both for its shape, readily recognizable by the large triangles on its facade, which double as its structural system. It is also unusual because the lowest part of the building was built 80 years before the tower itself, in anticipation of a high-rise development above it.

This page became a Good Article three years ago after a Good Article review by A person in Georgia, for which I am very grateful. After a recent copyedit by Miniapolis, which I also appreciate, I think the page is up to FA quality. I look forward to all comments and feedback. Epicgenius (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

750h[edit]

Lede

• Recommend linking facade.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Hearst Magazine Building developer William Randolph Hearst had acquired the site for a theater in the belief that the area would become the city's next large entertainment district, but changed his plans to construct a magazine headquarters there. remove "had". Also do we have the date?
  • Done. He acquired the land starting in 1924, but changed the plans in 1926, so I've added the mid-1920s as a date range. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Site

• Seventh Avenue should be linked.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture

• ...which its developer, Hearst Communications founder William Randolph Hearst, had envisioned for Columbus Circle in the early 20th century... remove "had"
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Might just be personal preference but with The tower, designed by Norman Foster, was completed in 2006 – almost eight decades after the base was built., I recommend changing the dash to something like "The tower, designed by Norman Foster, was completed in 2006—almost eight decades after the base was built." Also I think "eighty years" in lieu of "eight decades" is better, as it may not be immediately clear how many years that represents. Saying "eighty years" is more straightforward. (Might also be personal preference too however).
  • I have changed the dash (since the emdash is my personal preference too, although MOS:DASH does say that either a spaced endash or an unspaced emdash is fine if used as punctuation).
    However, I think "almost eight decades" is actually the better wording here. If I wrote "almost 80 years", someone may be likely to go around and change that to "78 years" (since the article does mention the completion date of both the original building and the upper stories). The wording "eight decades" is used in this way to emphasize the lengthy time period, as many people know what a decade is already. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• The tower's two sections are a combined.. ==> "The tower's two sections combined are"
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• The tower's stories are more deeply set back from the lowest six floors on the north, east, and south sides[20][21] and *has* "has" is a dangling modifier. Is it talking about the stories or the tower itself
  • I've reworded it (this was talking about the stories). Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Without the zoning amendment, the Hearst Corporation might have had to pay up to $10 million for additional air rights; the company had already utilized all the air rights above the Hearst Magazine Building. Changed utilized to used per a "superb" essay written George Orwell. Also remove "had".
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• According to The New York Times change to "According to the New York Times". "The" and "A" should not be capitalised because they are articles.
  • I've reworded the sentence to avoid this matter altogether. You would ordinarily be correct per MOS:THECAPS, but The New York Times is sometimes considered the Times' full proper name. When I refer to the NYT, "the" has thus sometimes been re-capitalized after I lowercased it. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Link Permasteelisa
  • Done. Thanks for the initial comments. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• As a result of the attacks, however, Foster and Hearst decided to restrict visitor access to part of the atrium and relocate the tower's core away from the street. you might consider removing "however" per WP:HOWEVER
• "The New York Evening Journal (one of Hearst's newspapers)" why isn't this italicised?
• He considered borrowing an additional $35.5 million, partially to repurchase the Hearst Magazine Building, but ultimately reconsidered. ==> "He considered borrowing an additional $35.5 million to partially repurchase the Hearst Magazine Building, but ultimately reconsidered."
• "In 1982, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC) began considering city-landmark designation for the Hearst Magazine Building." why is this linked again

That's all I got @Epicgenius: Nice work! 750h+ 05:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@750h+, thanks for the review. I've fixed the remaining comments you mentioned above, except for the third point. It wasn't that all of the funds were used to repurchase some of the building; it was that some of the funds were used to repurchase all of the building. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i see. I'm in support of this article's nomination to FA status. 750h+ 13:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

• Don't use fixed px size
  • Fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• File:Hearst_Tower_window_cleaning_incident_in_2013.jpg is a pretty poor-quality image. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have now swapped this out. Thanks for the image review. Epicgenius (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Thanks for the comments @Nikkimaria and @750h+. I will address these on Thursday. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:10, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslav submarine Mališan[edit]

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a dinky little midget sub that was built by the Italians for harbour defence and anti-submarine warfare tasks in WWII, but was incomplete at the time of the Italian armistice in September 1943, and ended up being handed over to the Italian Social Republic (rump fascist Italy) by the Germans after capture and completion. Captured by the Yugolavs at the end of the war, they repaired and commissioned her for use as a training boat. In 1953 she became a museum boat (a long way from the sea in Zagreb), and she was recently refurbished. There has been some controversy about returning her to her Italian colours and markings rather than retaining her Yugoslav ones. I nominated it at FAC in February but RW stuff took over and I was unable to address the review comments in a timely way, so the FAC was closed. I believe I have now addressed all the comments that were outstanding (@Nikkimaria, RoySmith, Volcanoguy, and Pickersgill-Cunliffe:, see my edits here), so let's have another go! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aston Martin Rapide[edit]

Nominator(s):  750h+ | Talk  14:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This comprehensive (but very short, at 1600 words) article explores what could arguably be considered the most beautiful four-door car in the early twenty-first century, the Aston Martin Rapide. It marks my second FAC, following the submission of the Aston Martin DB9 page (awaiting promotion, but imminent). I appreciate the comments on the DB9 article I got and appreciate any comments you may have on this article as well!  750h+ | Talk  14:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Llewee[edit]

Hello 750h+, I hope these comments are helpful.--Llewee (talk) 19:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think overall the article might benefit from a bit more context. As someone who is admittedly quite ignorant about this subject I felt a certain degree of prior knowledge was assumed. Maybe add a background section explaining what a saloon car is and briefly discussing the car's predecessors.

done

750h+, This is a good start but I think the introduction still assumes too high a degree of prior knowledge. Could you include an explanation of what an executive saloon car is?--Llewee (talk) 22:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that because they’re linked that it shouldn’t be necessary. FAs like Kwinana Freeway don't define what a freeway is, they simply provide a link. In the Ceres (dwarf planet) article, it doesn't explain the concept of a dwarf planet directly but rather links to another page for that explanation. 750h+ 23:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok that's fine, I'm not hugely familiar with what's expected in this corner of the site.

• "where the other VH platform cars—comprising the DB9, the DBS, the Vantage and the second-generation Vanquish—are produced" - This information isn't mentioned in the body of the article of the article and seems a bit excessive for the lead.

done. I don't think it's excessive for the lead, as they're all platform siblings. I've mentioned in the body of the article.

• "Following a £1.6 million funding from the Regional Growth Fund (RGF), in 2012 Aston Martin shifted production of the Rapide to Gaydon, a village in Warwickshire." - I think you need to add an additional word, "package" or something similar, after "funding". Also could clarify how this worked, were they given the money in exchange for moving to Warwickshire?

done

I would suggest taking out the text after "with the goal of..." as its the kind of fluffy language journalists copy from government press releases. A clearer way of wording the rest of the first part of the sentence might be "The funding was part of an agreement between the UK government and private industry to invest £200m in the economy."--Llewee (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. What do you think now? 750h+ 23:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I think it would be a good idea to delete the current sentence and replace it with - "The funding was part of an agreement between the UK government and private industry to invest £200m in the economy."--Llewee (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done. now........? 750h+ 01:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's great.--Llewee (talk) 23:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Its rear greenhouse slopes and narrows towards the back and over the rear haunches to improve its sporty aesthetic." - I think "improve" sounds a bit non-neutral, maybe change to "emphasise" or "increase"?

done

• @Llewee: i've addressed these. thoughts now? 750h+ 11:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Friendly ping[edit]

• @Llewee: would you be feeling inclined to express whether you support or oppose the nomination? 750h+ 06:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Femke[edit]

Thanks for writing the article. Overall, it's well-written. I see my taste on what makes a pretty car deviates quite a lot from those professional critics.

• The first thing I look for in any car article is the fuel efficiency. The efficiency is mentioned, but not put into context (it's quite bad, right?)

done

• I agree with the above that the article is a bit difficult to understand for the non-initiated: a few words I couldn't understand from context are the platform, greenhouse, wings. Can you improve the context so it can be better understood. If that doesn't work, gloss?

so i've explained the first one in a note. I changed "greenhouse" to "rear window" for better understanding. "wings" are also explained in a note

• Note 1 says Aston Martin has produced numerous four-door cars, whereas later in the text it says "Aston Martin has made two four-door cars over its lifetime". Is this contradictory?

fixed

• Regional Growth Fund (RGF) --> RGF is introduced as abbreviation, but never used. Please omit.

done

• I don't think "Austin, Mike (9 February 2010).. " is being cited. Lights up in my harv error script.

it was an absolutely horrible idea of mine to put every reference in a bibliography. i've fixed that

• "Before assuming his position as the lead designer, Reichman studied the characteristics of Aston Martin's cars and preliminarily made numerous sketches for a four-door concept." --> the word preliminarily here is unnecessary I think; best avoided as a difficult word.

done

• The first paragraph of Design and technology has some slight overcitations. An overabudance of citations can break the flow for readers. So avoid more than 1/2 cites for non-controversial statements.

fixed

• Was it ever revealed why the EV was not put into production?

added

• Is there a reason we use Bez' honorific? Should usually be avoided per MOS:DOC unless it's really relevant for context that they have this qualification.

removed

—Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Femke! I didn't expect to see you here! I take high inspiration from the Sustainable energy article you produced! I'll address your comments shortly. 750h+ 02:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Femke: I've addressed your concerns. do you think I've addressed them well, or have I forgotten anything? 750h+ 05:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brilliant. I think that the description of why it was axed doesn't align perfectly with the sources (which focus a bit more on the company wanting to focus more on the launch of DBX). At that point of time, most platforms would not have been adjusted to EVs, but other companies did bring EVs in production. You may also want to add the design had become something of a "research project". —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Femke: altered the sentence. thoughts now? 750h+ 08:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better. In terms of prose, "had reportedly" indicates that it's uncertain. Should this be moved further into the sentence (so that it refers not to the cancellation, but to the reason for the cancellation?). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 09:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done 750h+ 10:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• What makes de Paula, Matthew reliable? It's a Forbes contributor piece (rather than staff). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 09:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Femke: Replaced it with a Los Angeles Times source. 750h+ 09:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troika (1969 film)[edit]

Nominator(s): Paleface Jack (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The debut feature film by avant-garde artist-turned-filmmaker Fredric Hobbs. Troika marked the start of a short but colorful career for Hobbs and the acting debut of Golden State Warriors Hall of Fame Nate Thurmond, briefly released in 1969 and given subsequent airings on television, it became largely forgotten for decades. Its rediscovery and short screening in 2022 helped gain the film minor recognition for its portrayal of ideas and attitudes popular in the 1960s. After working on finding only the best and most reliable sources, passing Good Article status in 2023 and a Peer review in 2024, I believe this article meets the standards of Featured status. I look forward to hearing any comments and criticisms on this this current effort I put in.Paleface Jack (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your efforts on the Troika are commendable. It makes me also interested in watching this movie. Mcx8202229 (talk) 04:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be difficult, considering it has never gotten a release on home media and the copy of the film is under lock and key at the University.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

• "the director Hobbs attempting to gain financing for a film of the same name" - same name as what? Himself?

The film was named Troika. I changed it to make it appear less confusing.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Troika was first conceived by Hobbs after working" => "Troika was first conceived by Hobbs after he worked"

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Functioning as an "expressionist documentary" of student demonstrations within the late 1960s. " - this isn't a complete sentence

Did a minor revision.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Within the classroom, students covered in white face paint recline upon toilet seats and chaise longues in place of chairs, various college professors present their lessons to the students, who view the presentations with downcast emotions." - this also isn't a complete sentence. I think you need "while", "and", or similar before "various"

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "a procession of the title "Blue People"" => "a procession of the titular "Blue People""

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "ends with a shot of Rax as it merges with the Three Thieves" - what's "it"? Rax? Earlier you referred to Rax as "he"

My bad, changed to "He".--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "each segment for the film as a series of increasingly bizarre shorts" - should that last word be "shots"?

Shorts is accurate, he was talking about the film structure rather than the narrative of each segement.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So each segment of the film is itself a series of shorts? That's how it currently reads...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest changing it to "the segments of the film as a series of increasingly bizarre shorts" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I redid the sentence to clarify that is was the narrative structure and not each segment.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Hobbs, also starred in the film" - no need for that comma there

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "as one commentator described his role as a Christ-like figure" - no need for the word "as"

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Gordon Mueller in addition to his duties as the film's editor, stepping in " => "Gordon Mueller, in addition to his duties as the film's editor, stepping in "

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Art Institute photo caption needs a full stop

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "began firing a Nike missile's" - no reason for the 's at the end there

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• In the paragraph beginning "while the film's visuals", quotes from critics swap between being in single quote marks and double quote marks

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Hobbs' continued to work" - no reason for apostrophe on his name

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Both films were critical and commercial failures,[39][41] combined with behind-the-scenes conflicts with producers of both films caused Hobbs to grow discontent with the film industry, who subsequently retired from filmmaking" - there's some words missing here. I would suggest changing it to "Both films were critical and commercial failures,[39][41] and this, combined with behind-the-scenes conflicts with the producers of both films, caused Hobbs to grow discontent with the film industry, and he subsequently retired from filmmaking"

Did a little rewording.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Date formats in the refs are inconsistent. Within the same ref I can see "October 12, 2022" and "2022-10-12"

Interesting. I think another editor did that cause I never really use that date format. The format is fitting with my style and more consistant.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did edits on it and the format remains the same. Not sure what is causing this. Paleface Jack (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it by removing a parameter from the {{use mdy dates}} hidden template -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Odd how these hidden parameters are set up to irritate me. Thanks for the fix.--Paleface Jack (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• That's what I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review.

I have done some light copy editing while reading. If I have messed anything up, could we discuss it here.

• "utilizing various sets in and around California." A "set" is artificially constructed scenery, so I don't see how this squares with "The film was shot on location".

Reworded to "The film was shot in early to mid-1969, utilizing various locations in and around California."--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The film's score was composed in collaboration with Hobbs and editor/co-director Gordon Mueller" doesn't really work grammatically. Perhaps 'The film's score was composed in a collaboration between Hobbs and editor/co-director Gordon Mueller'?

Reworded to "The film's score was composed as a collaborative effort between Hobbs and editor/co-director Gordon Mueller". Might do minor tinkering if this is not up to snuff.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Troika initially had a preview screening on October 12". Does "initially" add anything?

Other than serving as a screening prior to the official premiere, no. Removing it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "with select reviews being mixed to positive." What was "select" about the reviews?

changed to "existing".--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "The film has currently not been released on home video, with Hobbs being unsatisfied with the current print of the film, refusing to grant distribution rights up to his death in 2018" seems a little clumsy. If Hobbs' dissatisfaction with the current print is the reason why it was not released on home video, say so.

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "with Hobbs being unsatisfied with the current print of the film". "current print" suggests that there are other prints; is this so?

Redid to existing print, as he was not satisfied with the quality that he was in ownership of (the only one we know of).--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "refusing to grant distribution rights up to his death in 2018". Ok, so why has it not been release since 2018?

That I have not figured out. Since that one festival screening, all news on the film has mysteriously stopped.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Suggest deleting "Note". (Just the single word, not the actual note.)

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "to be rebuffed and insulted by the producer." Who is "the producer"?

Goodloins. Changed it to make that more obvious.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Up yours, Mr. Goodloins!" Why italics? (See MOS:ITALQUOTE.)

Removed italics.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "crafting an alchemical brew in a large vat". Really a vat, which is a type of barrel, or a cauldron?

Existing plot synopsis' call it a vat.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "A seemingly crazed Chef ... as the Chef uses pieces of it ..." Why the upper-case Cs?

Character name, lower cased it now.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "Still not satisfied with ..." Why "Still? There is no mention of any earlier or initial dissatisfaction.

Removed.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "covered in similar ritualistically painted symbols". Similar to what? This is the first mention of ritualistic symbols.

Changed to Ritualistic face paint.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "they both dance to a tango". Either 'they dance a tango together' or 'they both dance to a tango tune.

The synopsis found in the book by Stephen Thrower states "the chef then dances a tango with a heavily painted woman".--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "a short while". Delete "short". Unless you wish to argue that a long while exists.

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Section title: why "Alma Mater"?

Plot synopsis lists this as the title accourding to sources.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "present their lessons". Suggest 'present their lectures'.

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "who view the presentations with downcast emotions". Are there any visual or other indications that their emotions were downcast? If so, what are they? If not, how do we know?

Plot synopsis is vague: "The sequence cotains footage shot at a student sit-in, taken both inside the college abid tired or downcast students". I changed the sentance a little differently for flow--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "the frustrated students boo their dunce-capped teacher". Why "their"? Were the other five not "their" teachers as well?

Another vague portion of the plot synopsis I had to use to contruct everything on: "The surrealistic classroom.. is populated by students with thickly painted Caligari-esque faces who eventually boo the dunce-capped teacher out of class."--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "by a feral Warrior". Why the upper-case W? What makes or indicates that they are "feral"?

Plot synopsis just lists them as a "Savage". I changed it a but with lower case to fit that description.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "pushing a large sculpture with her". Delete "with her"; if she is pushing it you have established that it is "with her".

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "the Attenuated Man". Guess?

Listed name for the character in the end credits so Caps seems more appropriate here.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "induces a vision of three thieves (a sculpture depicting three corpse-like beings) who emerge from the ceiling of the cave." So is it three thieves who emerge" or 'a sculpture of three thieves which emerges. How is it known they are thieves?

The sculpture was a piece by Hobbs named the "Three Thieves" and is listed as such in the synopsis. I changed it a little so that title is not present there so to not confuse the reader.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "the titular "Blue People". You have not mentioned any titles.

Changed that a bit cause the segment is titled "Blue People", yet "Titular" upsets the flow.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "ghost town". WHy the scare quotes?

I dont remember the exact reason why that is quoted. I removed the quotes anyways.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "populated by Blue and Purple people" ...

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "same train he departed from at the beginning". As at the beginning he arrived this is a little confusing. Perhaps 'same train he disembarked from at the beginning'?

Done.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "the Three Thieves". The upper-case issue again, plus inconsistency.

Changed from earlier critisism.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "a Bachelor of Arts in History." Why the upper-case initial letters?

Apologies. Was trying to avoid unnecessary redirects so I left it as such, as with most of those unnecessary capitals. The official title of the degree is in caps. I removed the degree he got from the article as it seems unnecessary--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "After serving as a United States Air Force Officer in the Korean War". Why the upper-case O?

Fixed.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "throughout the late 1950s and early 1960s". He graduated in 1953, so unless he produced acclaimed work prior to this "throughout" is inaccurate.

Changed "throughout" to "in".--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "a series of acclaimed art pieces ... an art piece of the same name". Could you be more specific? Were the art pieces oil paintings, sculpture, performance pieces, a mixture?

Changed to paintings and sculptures.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, but I am going to oppose, the prose is not up to FAC standard - criterion 1 a - nor MoS compliant - criterion 2. I was hoping that things would improve once I was past the plot, but they haven't, and reading ahead they don't. I suggest withdrawal to either give it a thorough copy edit or to put it through GoCER. I hope that the comments above give an idea of where I feel that improvement is needed. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will keep it in the review and make the fixes accordingly. For character names in the casting section, I placed them in quotations as the film credits them as such. In terms of character names or capitalized names, Blue People and others are always capitalized in all the sources I have, which is why it's better to keep it that way as it is the character's name title.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ceoil[edit]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Gog, who is usually right about such matters. Its a really great article that would love to see promoted eventually (sharing a passion for this type of cinema), but it needs polish. On prose only. Paleface you need to haggle some copy editors; suggest a GA nomination, and a peer review after. Am up for helping on both, and look forward to seeing you back here after. Ceoil (talk) 23:06, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is already GA so that would be pointless. Copy editing perhaps. Paleface Jack (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I should do more research. Can this be left open for another week and will have a go at copy-editing? As mentioned have an interest in this type of gothic. Ceoil (talk) 01:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be willing to let that happen if you could teach me how to actually do it myself. It seems prose is my weakness.Paleface Jack (talk)

I'm down with that as the page is otherwise outstanding. Lets take it to article talk. Ceoil (talk) 19:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Existence[edit]

Nominator(s): Phlsph7 (talk) 08:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Existence is the state of having reality. Often contrasted with essence, it is a wide and fundamental concept associated with various tricky problems, such as the status of imaginary entities like Santa Claus. Thanks to Of the universe for their GA review, to Jenhawk777, Bilorv, and Patrick Welsh for their peer reviews, and to Baffle gab1978 for their GOCE copy-edit of this level 4 vital article.

750h[edit]

• I have read through this article twice and have not seen any obvious problems. Expressing my support of this nomination. I love the examples used, such as "kangaroos live in Australia", which facilitate the reader’s experience. I’m happy to have been the GA reviewer of the Ethics article and hope to see it here sometime soon :-). 750h+ | Talk  04:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @750h+: Thanks a lot for the support! I'm working to get Ethics ready for a nomination and I'll let you know, hopefully after this one. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shapeyness[edit]

Another great summary article on a massive topic like existence :) These are the only comments I have after reading through, I expect to support when they are cleared up but I might also make some more comments if I look through the source list. Shapeyness (talk) 15:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input, I'm happy to see that you haven't become tired of reviewing those wide-scope articles :) and your background on Quine should prove quite useful for this topic. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Willard Van Orman Quine (1908–2000) defends a different position by giving primacy to singular existence maybe it would be useful to say why, e.g. "arguing that general existence can also be expressed in terms of individual existence"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• According to this view, a universal that has no instances in the spacio-temporal world does not exist optionally, this could be simplified by removing reference to the "spacio-temporal world" (if you decide to keep, should it be spatio-temporal?)

  I fixed the spelling but I left the term. I'm not sure how relevant the concern is but one universal could instantiate another universial without either of them existing in space and time. I don't think Aristotelians would be happy about that kind of existence so this way, we have our bases covered. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Right so this is actually a slightly more cautious wording, I didn't realise that at first. Shapeyness (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Abstract objects ... exist outside space and time the use of a spatial concept ("outside") here is unfortunate, although it gets the idea across pretty well. Maybe "do not exist with a location in space and time"/"do not have a location in space and time" would also work?

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• On the relationship between abstract and fictional objects - in the source this seems more of a passing comment or something to keep in mind rather than an important point in its own right, do you think it is due weight to include? Maybe it would be better to discuss fictional objects more holistically in their own subsection or in "Modes and degrees of existence" given fictional objects are generally thought to exist or to have being in a different way

  That was more of an intermediary solution since I thought that fictional objects should be mentioned but I didn't want to give them their own section. I added a subsection called "Others" to discuss them in more detail. I also used the opportunity to add some information on intentional inexistence. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Physical entities include objects of regular perception given the later reference to perceptions being mental objects, I see it being quite easy for a reader to get confused here by not realising the subtlety of the word choice (objects of perception, not perception itself). Also, idealists and indirect realists would argue the objects of perception are mental, so maybe best to reword.

  Good catch. The reference to perception was not essential here so I rephrased it. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• For instance, according to Gibson, a thing either exists or does not exist; this means there is no in-between alternative and that there are no degrees of existence This was very famously argued by Quine in "On What There Is". It is probably better to remove this sentence or put Quine here instead, or at the very least add a supporting secondary source here to demonstrate the importance of Gibson's argument

  Agreed, Quine would have been the better person to ascribe this view to. The main point of this phrase was not so much to talk about Gibson's or Quine's philosophy but to give the reader an idea about what this position means. I found a way to phrase the sentence differently that does not require attribution. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah that makes the most sense I think, Quine is already well covered elsewhere. Shapeyness (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• On the previous point, when Gibson is first mentioned he is cited there too, do the secondary sources mention him in regards to existence being an elementary concept?

  Vallicella discusses him but the essential point is the view itself and not that Gibson in particular defends it so I removed his name. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think keeping reference to Gibson is harmful if RSes think they are important enough to mention in this context, just wanted to check. Either way is fine though. Shapeyness (talk) 09:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) explored how being and nothing pass into one another in the process of becoming This is slightly confusing, although maybe it's because I don't know much about Hegel
  • Sorry, Phlsph7, I didn't get back to you on this before peer review ended. I was looking at the Rosen again, just because it is a source you chose, and found additional support for my suggestion about internal mediation on p. 93. But perhaps more appropriate for an article at this level would be something quite simply along the lines of "According to G. W. F. Hegel, there is no pure being or pure nothing, only becoming." This is enough to provide a little bit of the flavor of Hegel's thought to someone with no background in philosophy. It's also such a bare description of the opening of the logic that it would be supported by just about any secondary source that discusses that section. Cheers, Patrick (