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Proposed split of List of Pokémon anime characters[edit]

Inactive talk page over at List of Pokémon anime characters, so I'm putting it here as well. (Please respond at the source page, linked directly below)

Hello, as this article is over 50,000 words long, I think it would be reasonable that it is split into multiple articles. Here are some ideas:

Split by name: Split into articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (A-M), List of Pokémon anime characters (N-Z), etc. Pros of this method are simplicity, though it may become harder to navigate, as related characters are no longer grouped together.

Split by introduction: This would include the article being split into several articles titled List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 1-3), List of Pokémon anime characters (seasons 4-6), etc. Pros of this are sorting characters by when they were introduced, and thus were likely the most notable, though cons could be that many of the most notable characters are from season one, and related groups are not together.

Split into categories: This would be splitting into articles like List of Pokémon anime antagonists, List of gym leaders in the Pokémon anime, etc. Pros are that related characters are all together, though cons are that characters may need to neatly fit into one category. However, this is my preference.

Please do tell me your thoughts.

DecafPotato (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better to split by individual season instead. Although it's a shame we can't have a structured central database of characters and display them in different orders. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Splitting by series is far better, as it is inline with Japanese and English dub. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe a significant trim would be much more appropriate. Currently, most of the article is original research, talking about minor characters no publication has ever mentioned and who may have appeared in only a handful of episodes each. It is silly for Wikipedia to host a whole paragraph of fictional biographical information on each gym leader Ash Ketchum has faced; that's what fanwikis are for and such content isn't helpful for general readers. Rewriting an list like this based on reliable secondary sources is really hard, though, and I don't feel up for it. I'm quite happy with the trim I had given the video game equivalent list, though it's still 99% original research there too and might require a much more significant trim too. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think splitting by series would be much better.
List of Pokémon anime (Original series) characters or List of Pokémon anime (The Beginning) characters and List of Pokémon anime (Gold and Silver) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Advanced Generation) characters or List of Pokémon anime (Ruby and Sapphire) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Diamond and Pearl) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Best Wishes) characters or List of Pokémon anime (Black and White) characters, List of Pokémon anime (XY) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Sun and Moon) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Journeys) characters, List of Pokémon anime (Horizons) characters. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should stick to using the Japanese or English series when it comes to naming the articles, as I hate it when people mix and merge the two together, like Bulbapedia with their episode codes. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So which one do you prefer, Japanese name or English name? Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As its a Japanese series, I prefer Japanese over English. So Black & White become Best Wishes!, XY becomes XY&Z, Journeys becomes 2019 series and Horizons become 2023 series. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
XY series's Japanese name is XY not XY&Z. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 16:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it is XY and XY&Z according to various media, such as TV Tokyo and Amazon, as they have separate pages. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 16:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to Bulbapedia XY series is divided into two seasons (XY and XY&Z) in Japanese version. Ajeeb Prani (talk) 17:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
TV Tokyo and Amazon Japan don't split Best Wishes by season, indication that XY and XY&Z are two interlinked series. Not everything that Bulbapedia says is correct, however. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion[edit]

Angels in Neon Genesis Evangelion has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! I'm the nominator of this candidate, and it could use some attention from editors more familiar with the topic areas of anime and film, at the suggestion of a couple of the reviewers. I have addressed certain concerns about the comprehensiveness of the article (criterion 1b of the FACR), but some doubts remain about whether it covers all aspects of the subject and includes all notable sources. This is also the first Studio Ghibli–related article to be brought to FAC, so I would appreciate any comments you have! For anyone interested in conducting a source review, I have copies of almost all the offline sources and can email them to you on request. Thanks! TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 19:13, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Macross character page up for grabs in two days[edit]

The article on Lynn Minmay, a character in the original Macross Saga (a.k.a. arc #1 of Robotech in the West)--h/t notes in "Daicon III and IV Opening Animations"; h/t, in turn, my overhearing "Hold On Tight" by ELO through a relative's Alexa in another room minutes ago--has recently been proposed for deletion per WP:NPLOT and WP:NCHARACTER. On the surface, there may be a few salvageable bits and pieces that we might see in other related pages. With these factors in mind, I have half a mind to deprod it and take it to AFD, suggesting a redirect or merge into List of Macross characters in the process.

To @TechnoSquirrel69: (h/t WP:Featured article candidates/Castle in the Sky/archive1): Do you know who could help me out (franchise fans or otherwise)? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 15:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Slgrandson, I was fortunate to get help from members of the Ghibli community in finding some obscure sources during that FAC. I'm not familiar with the series you're talking about, nor its community, so I don't have anything to suggest other than things you would already know: doing a WP:BEFORE, reaching out to editors experienced in the topic area (as you're doing already by posting here!), etc. TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please review this BLP to ascertain if it meets WP:N? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+ Tamara Ryan. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this related to BeauSuzanne (since they created both of those articles)? Not that it matters, but they also at one point created an article for Misato Murai which was draftified (see AfD). Anyways, regarding the above articles, back when the Pitts article was created I had a discussion with another user off-wiki and we thought that there was enough to show WP:NACTOR was met. As far as Ryan, I don't think they are notable as an anime voice actor (they have one prominent role, Android 18, but nothing else seems too major). I admit that I'm unaware with the video game roles and sources may present themselves there. Link20XX (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link20XX, Yeah, thse two were created by @BeauSuzanne. I'm bringing this up because I've checked out all their articles and majority of their BLPs are on NON-NOTABLE ACTORS, which strongly suggests there might be some UPE activity going on. I've nominated a few for deletion and the rest will probably get flagged sooner or later. So, as you mentioned, they created Misato Murai and it got deleted through AfD, but now they're giving it another shot, so let's keep an eye on it. Since I'm not an expert on the sources cited in these two BLPs as they're unrelated to PAKISTAN, that's why I asked here to get the opinion of the editors of this WikiProject.Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That draft is actually the same page that was at AfD, they just made sure to edit it every six months so that it doesn't get deleted. Other than the articles mentioned above, the only other anime-related article I'm aware of that this user created is Danielle McRae, which was deleted (see AfD); in that case, it was the second attempt at creating it, with the previous attempt having undisclosed paid editing issues. Link20XX (talk) 13:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link20XX, If you reckon this BLP on Tamara Ryan doesn't meet WP:N, it should be AfD'd.Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't nominate it for deletion, but if it were to end up at AfD, I would probably vote to delete it. Link20XX (talk) 15:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Link20XX, Neither me because I'm not familiar with the sources mentioned in this BLP. I'll leave it to someone who's more knowledgeable about them.Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dennō Senshi Porygon[edit]

Hello. There's a discussion about adding a potential production section as well as a reception section for the Dennō Senshi Porygon episode, which can be found at Talk:Dennō Senshi Porygon#Production and reception. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crunchyroll Channel[edit]

Good Day,

I was performing cleaning up on the articles in Category:Anime and manga articles using obsolete and incorrect infobox parameters and I found out that many of the animes in that category was tagged because Crunchyroll Channel is on the network in the infobox. What should we do about this?

Warm Regards Miminity (talk) 04:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand per Template:Infobox animanga, 'network_en' parameter should be for terrestrial networks and not for video on demand services. I am not that familiar with Crunchyroll Channel, but it seems to be more like the latter than the former, so I'd say it should be removed from the infobox. Xexerss (talk) 05:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that It classifies as a "network". But let me know what you think. I provided below the info about the Crunchyroll Channel
  • [1] - The CR's official announcement for Crunchyroll Channel
  • [2] - The CR's FAQ page about Crunchyroll Channel
In the meantime, I will remove it as you suggested.
Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) 06:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: remove quite a few of them. (For the meantime) but, Before I remove all of them, I realized we should wait what other's think of this.
Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) 06:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On that note, I have the same concern about Neon Alley, although what I said about terrestrial networks is rather my understanding of the parameter, but maybe someone else has more knowledge about this. Xexerss (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should tag someone who has knowledge about this. If you know any please kindly tag them
Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) 06:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angel's Egg[edit]

Regarding Angel's Egg, there is a discussion about the reliability of some sources. Editors are invited to comment here. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 17:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Italics for manga demographics[edit]

Per MOS:FOREIGN#Terms with common usage in English: "A rule of thumb is to not italicize words that appear in major general-purpose English-language dictionaries." I just noticed that OED has included the terms shonen and shojo;[3][4] Collins also included the terms seinen.[5] I cannot find evidence that the term 'josei' appears in a general-purpose English dictionary, but shouldn't the other terms be de-italicized? Xexerss (talk) 20:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was literally about to open a discussion for this exact same thing like last month. lol Merriam-Webster also has entries for shonen and shojo. I personally think they should be de-italicized. But the reason I didn't end up starting the discussion was I saw MOS:FOREIGNITALIC says to italicize "foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English" and I don't really know what "non-specialized" means here. Because, if the definitions given for the words are that they are demographics of manga and anime, then the words are only ever going to be used in conversation about manga and anime. Does that mean they are "specialized"? Xfansd (talk) 21:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. Regarding this "specialized" logic, I suppose that someone could argue that terms like 'Gestapo' would only be used if someone is going to talk about Nazis, WWII or something like that, so it's not quite clear to me what exactly this is referring to. What motivated me to initiate this discussion was primarily that the term 'Isekai' was de-italicized some time ago in various articles and I didn't see opposition to this. Xexerss (talk) 22:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Gestapo" is not an unusual metaphor/reference point for secret police in general, in regular conversation. You don't see people call Avatar a shounen series, though. Unlike older Japanese imports like karaoke or bonsai, I think the demographic genre names are only ever used in the context of Japanese cultural output... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I think it is clearer what "specialized" refers to in this case, but now (getting a bit off the specific topic under discussion) what about 'isekai'? was it appropriate to have left it de-italicized? I've read the expression "being isekai'd" as a joke when someone dies, but I doubt this is significant enough to classify it as a word in common usage, or is it? Xexerss (talk) 09:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd find it very hard to believe that isekai is more prevalent and known in English than shonen. I don't known how much more input I can give, because I still don't get the "specialized" bit. I don't think I've ever heard the words/phrases praetor or esprit de corps in my life, yet they're both given at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC as examples of words in common use in English. Because of that, I think all these words we are talking about that have English dictionary entries and are commonly used in multiple English sources should be de-italicized. Xfansd (talk) 23:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to think that these demographic terms should stay italicized and they haven't really become commonly used in English yet. Part of it is that I'm not sure any one romanization of these terms is dominant - the respective Wikipedia articles use a macron over the first o in each word, and list the -o- and -ou- spellings as alternatives. I'll also note that Merriam Webster's entries for shonen and shojo both show these words written with italics in their example sentences. Erinius (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, and maybe this isn't the best criterion, it would look kind of awkward for shojo and shonen to be treated like regular English words while josei stays italicized, when they're all Japanese terms for manga demographics. Erinius (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ROMAJI the modified Hepburn romanizations should be used if one can not be determined to be the most common. I don't see how noting the other possible romanizations in the lead is any different than how humour and many other words note the spelling differences between British and American English, but it seems if someone wanted to remove the singular mention of them it would be in line with WP:ROMAJI. Merriam-Webster italicizes whatever word you are looking up in their example sentences, see boy for example. Xfansd (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merriam-Webster italicizes whatever word you are looking up in their example sentences. My bad, didn't know that. Erinius (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Composers in infobox[edit]

The anime and manga infobox has a music parameter where we usually list the main composer(s). A few months ago on Revolutionary Girl Utena, I removed Seazer from the infobox since he only wrote the songs and Shinkichi Mitsumune is the primary composer, but it was reverted.

Given that, I have a question for project members: should we list only the main composer in the infobox, as with Template:Infobox television? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Template:Infobox animanga, the music parameter says to credit the Person or persons who composed the original music. My interpretation is that this is for people who have composed the original soundtrack or have been credited as music composer (音楽, ongaku) in the credits, official website, or billing block (if there is any).

The article you have linked above is a television series so it should be Template:Infobox television, not the infobox for film. Centcom08 (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've corrected the links in my comment. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 18:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mitsumune is solely credited for "music" (音楽), but you could probably argue crediting JA Seazer alongside Mitsumune with a note since his official credit is "original choral music" (合唱オリジナル楽曲). I think the current note makes it confusing: it makes it seem as though Seazer wrote the songs, but then Mitsumune arranged them? To be more specific as to what Seazer did, I'd recommend either the former or expanding the note to include that information. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 03:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sjones23: I added a note on the main article as I thought it was contextually helpful but regarding the film, Seazer and Mitsumune have the same credit, so it shouldn't have been removed. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 22:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, gotcha. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English Wikipedia page for seiyuu Yuko Iida[edit]

Hello!

I'm new to Wikipedia and wanted to add a translation for the already existing Japanese Wikipedia page of the voice actress Yuko Iida (飯田友子) but since I couldn't directly submit a translation, I made a new page which is currently pending review. I used the same template and content structure as other Wikipedia pages for Japanese voice actresses, as well as many of the resources listed by the corresponding Japanese Wikipedia page, but I wanted to let you guys know in case someone wants to take a look.

Sorry for the bother and thank you beforehand. I hope I can further contribute to the WikiProject! Link to the page is right here ->Draft:Yuko Iida MoonsideYasu (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MoonsideYasu: This isn't necessary, but I like to have a Japanese title and a translated title for such cases. So, if you use text editing, instead of using "title=", you'd use "script-title=ja:" for the original Japanese article names, and then add "trans-title=" for a translation of the title. Especially when it comes to articles like these where a majority (if not all) of the citations are in a separate language or you're transferring it over from a different WikiProject that only has non-English citations. It can be more of a pain to deal with, though, so again it's not a huge deal, but I would personally recommend it. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 09:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your reply @Sarcataclysmal! I really appreciate it
I see how it could be useful as well, I will definitely try to add it to the citations!
Thank you so much for letting me know once again. MoonsideYasu (talk) 14:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]