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It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! PermStrump(talk)

Novels by Colin Dexter[edit]

The articles on the 13 Inspector Morse series novels by Colin Dexter need work. Only one includes reviews of the novels, and few have any inline citations at all. The first novel is Last Bus to Woodstock, from which you can access the following twelve. I put in a References section in each article, anticipating that there will be inline citations some day. Few have a Plot summary that covers the resolution as well as the crimes, fewer list the the characters. I read one of the novels, The Jewel That Was Ours, and I found two reviews of that novel online. My plot summary is too long by 400 words, so I need to shorten it someday. Two of his novels won the Gold Dagger award for Crime novels, and there is no plot summary for one of those novels nor any external reviews.

I have read just the one book in the series, so I cannot do more than set up a more consistent pattern in the articles. I could hunt for reviews, which I suspect are out there, online perhaps. There is a book cited in each article that apparently collects reviews of the novels, but I do not have that book. The novels were adapted into a television series, and then two more television series, on following the main character's death (Inspector Lewis or Lewis), and the other exploring Morse's early days in the police force (Endeavour). The actor who player Morse, John Thaw, was a very good actor, drawing many viewers to the television series. I tried to separate the mentions of the adaptations from the sections on the novels. There is an article with a List of Inspector Morse episodes, and the plot summaries in those are mainly blurbs; even the longer ones never get to the denouement. Anyway, there are many opportunities for work on the articles about the novels or about the television series. I did expect that the novels would have more complete articles, given the interest in the series, so help is welcome! --Prairieplant (talk)

Category:Outer space in fiction has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Category:Outer space in fiction has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. 4meter4 (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chinese Cinderella: The Mystery of the Song Dynasty Painting[edit]

Woulds someone from WP:NOVELS mind taking a look at Chinese Cinderella: The Mystery of the Song Dynasty Painting and assessing it per WP:NBOOK. It's be tagged with {{Unreferenced}} since October 2012 and doesn't look like it's been improved much since then. In it's current state, it doesn't appear to be anything other that a plot summary; moreover, a Google search of the book's title gets some hits, but nothing that seems to resemble any type of critical review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Marchjuly: Took me a decent amount of time, but I finally found out why a Google search of the book's title gets so little useful hits. If you search the title on GBooks, one of the results is "Along the River: A Chinese Cinderella Novel." I didn't think much of it, but when I clicked in, it said

Originally published in paperback as Chinese Cinderella: The Mystery of the Song Dynasty Painting...

Searching this new title gives enough results to meet WP:NBOOK. Reviews in Publisher's Weekly, School Library Journal, Kirkus. The plot matches up with the article, so there's little doubt as to whether they're the same book. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 22:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks ARandomName123 for taking the time to look into this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Janissaries series listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Synth and Novels[edit]

Hiya! I've been discussing an article with a newer user (@Samuel Adrian Antz) and would like a second opinion on original research and primary sourcing in articles about novels.

Notability of the books aside, are sections like Dichronauts#Background (mathematics and physics) and The Eternal Flame (novel)#Background (mathematics and physics) good to keep? Personally it feels like either synthesis or over reliance on primary sources, is there an exception in fictional works? Justiyaya 16:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I’m actually a little torn, so I’m going to think aloud a bit. None of these background sections (including the “background (literature)” one on The Eternal Flame) look like what I expect from a “background” section. Typically I think of the “background” section as a place to describe contextual information about the book’s publication— see Beachy Head (poem). So my first instinct is that all this math can’t possibly be WP:DUE or reflected in the sources.
But then I notice that the source is actually Egan, the book’s author. At the Beachy Head article, even when writing about the French Revolution and Romanticism there, I’m citing sources that are primarily about the poem: in other words, including this background is a way of following the sources. WP:SYNTH would have been citing works on romanticism that don’t mention Smith (in my case) or math papers that don’t mention Egan’s books (in this case). But at first glance, these sources don’t look like WP:SYNTH because the source does make the direct link between the book and the math.
But of course, an author’s personal website isn’t usually a WP:RS. And there’s still the matter of what’s WP:DUE in an encyclopedia article. I think I would lean toward a more “zoomed out” use of these sources from Egan, saying things like, “Egan’s website provides detailed mathematical explanations of how the book applies X and Y concepts”, wikilinking the concepts and citing the sources. That makes the information available to mathematically inclined readers without derailing the article as a whole. At least, that’s how I’d go about it! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 17:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

better source needed tags on referenced reviews[edit]

The reception section of Acrobat (novel) mentions what review sites, all considered reliable sources, said about the book, and references those official sites linking to the actual reviews there. An editor has tagged these places with a "better sources needed" tag. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Acrobat_%28novel%29&diff=1197539304&oldid=1197503587 Dream Focus 03:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The edit has already been reverted, but I am not sure why we would want to instead cite sources quoting the reviews we are quoting. As an aside, I realise PW and Kirkus are embedded in the publishing industry and accept indie submissions, but they are in no way "review mills". They are highly reliable and respected sources. Οἶδα (talk) 08:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]