User talk:Xyzzyva

Dudette?, sorry your username got taken. Nice to see you around... +sj +

Hi mate, was wondering if you'd seen WikiProject AFL - also look at Category:VFL/AFL players and AFL Season 2006. TheRealAntonius 12:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I think Romaji cannot be considered a proper “official” Japanese script because in the everyday Japan's life Romaji-written Japanese language magazines or newspapers can't be found on newsstands or advertising — when the Latin alphabet is used, generally the language used is English. And the government seems not support this script, too: as far as I know, official documents can only be written in tradicinal Japanese scripts.

Best regards,

--MaGioZal 03:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice job working on the list of chapters... What is your zeta designation? Albert109 04:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for creating Template:Yomiuri Giants. Great to see NPB information expanding! --Borgarde^talk 10:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to solicit feedback concerning moving this to Adam Jones (football). It makes sense to me, but is there consensus? Please opine in the section of the article talk page. Cheers, Dlohcierekim's sock (talk) 20:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva,

I've noticed a couple articles with IPA "aɪ̪" for the English sound eye. I don't know if they were all from you, but in Jim Eisenreich you used a dental diacritic rather than a non-syllabic diacritic. (You're probably using a font where the look about the same.) Anyway, if you follow the link at {{pron-en}} or {{IPA-en}}, you'll see we transcribe this with just aɪ, without any diacritic but with a period if we need to separate it from another vowel. I'm cleaning up our IPA, and this isn't something I set AWB up to detect, so I thought I'd let you know just in case there were others. (Actually, I've been ignoring cases where the non-syllabic diacritic was used, but the dental might confuse people.)

Happy editing, kwami (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain to me how you solved your problem with Helvetica displaying ɶ and œ as the same character in Safari? Here is the page where you talked about it, and I'm having the same issue. I don't know how to force Wikipedia to use a font other than Helvetica (which I now strongly dislike). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:CSS_IPA_vowel_chart#.2F.C9.B6.2F_.26_.2F.C5.93.2F

Thanks a bunch! Kraslev (talk) 07:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for cleaning up all those missing IPAs! kwami (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(PS. I was heading over here to thank you when I noticed you've occasionally used IPAr. We're trying to clean that up so that it's only used for auto-conversions from orthography, currently Polish only. The main reason is that there are more transclusions of IPAr than AWB can handle (AWB has a 25,000-article limit), which means that we can't maintain the formatting of anything that isn't auto-converted. Pron & IPA-all are only a couple thou each, and so are manageable.)

Thank you for adding the IPA to the article. However, you wrote that Evia is "pronounced /ˈɛviːɑː/", and that left me in the state of utter confusion – how come that those unstressed vowels are long??? I can barely pronounce it written that way, and it sounds very un-English (sort of like Finnish). Did you perhaps mean "/ˈɛviɑ/"? No such user (talk) 07:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the confusion, I was working directly off of Wikipedia:IPA for English, where they make many length distinctions that don't exist in my dialect (GA), so I likely hypercorrected. Now that I look at it again, I think the best transcription would be /ˈɛviɑː/, with the second syllable short. The third syllable needs the length mark, since if it were shortened it'd also be reduced to a schwa (a legitimate-enough-sounding pronunciation, which likely often happens among those who actually talk about this place in English). Perhaps the third syllable should have a secondary stress mark, though I'm reticent to use those except in compound words. Thanks for pointing out my slipup! — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 03:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One question would be, Does "Evvoia" even have an English pronunciation? Maybe it does, I've just only seen "Euboea" except in Greek transliteration, but if it did, I'd expect the /ˈɛviə/ that you suggest above. kwami (talk) 05:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I must have drawn /ˈɛviɑː/ from M-W. Please make any corrections you find appropriate, as I can't on my current computer (long story...) — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 07:05, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, just looked it up, and it's 'ev.yä. kwami (talk) 09:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Take it there. Josh Parris 11:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the swift responses!

BTW, there was a bit of discussion about Caersws at Wikipedia talk:IPA for Welsh.

Oh, and do you know the English or Welsh pronunciations of Pontarddulais by any chance? Lfh (talk) 09:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. Are you able to give the Afrikaans pron of apartheid? I didn't want to tag that one. Lfh (talk) 09:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on that. Keep up the good work. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 23:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva - if you're looking for some more work to do on IPA templates, some of them still need English approximations (if this is within your sphere of knowledge), to make them accessible to the reader. Hungarian is one; Italian is another; you may find more. It seems to be standard now to use these templates (rather than "IPA-all") whenever applicable, so the sooner the better really for the English approximations. (Some of them might require a bit of redesigning to make it work, so it's not necessarily an easy job.) Lfh (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you offer any help with these two:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - where's the stress?
Uitenhage - are the vowels right?

Lfh (talk) 09:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for accidentally reverting your IPA for Dulé Hill it is much appreciated. I wish more articles had IPAs, i find them very useful! MrMacMan ^Talk 04:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will make sure to tag pages with that in the future, thanks. MrMacMan ^Talk 05:47, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that. I was going to add the stress mark (to the old version), but couldn't find a way to do it neatly. The Danish key still needs a mention of stress.

I guess the second paragraph of the Irish key (about comparing it to other systems) might need to be altered now.

As for vowel examples, you could try using "What links here" to find some. Lfh (talk) 11:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is well-documented (and corroborated by his own voice in a 1929 radio recording) that Sousa did not pronounce his name with a "z" sound, but rather with an "s" - "Soo-ssah". Perhaps you could correct this? Dlovrien (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you wrote Wikipedia:IPA for Latin.

Would you be able to comment at Talk:Ave Caesar, morituri te salutant#Pronunciation?

Thanks! FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 03:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it was a mistake. It's due to my stupidity. I thought that you did something else to those articles. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. If you're interested, there are at least a dozen more Puerto Rican placenames currently bearing a non-standard respelling. Lfh (talk) 08:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, if you've got time, the Autonomous communities of Spain are mostly lacking pronunciations, as are the Regions of France. Lfh (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed that, thanks for putting it right (again). Akerbeltz (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello.

Do you want me to undo my changes? SamEV (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for the vote of confidence!

However, since the current system was decided as part of some kind of collective process, and since I don't think it's catastrophically wrongheaded (though I think it is wrong in parts); and since you did employ that system; I should defer to that system and restore your edits. Besides, I was only going by what I know to be the pronunciation, not by any expertise.

Good luck to you and everyone else. SamEV (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Evra's name is spelled with the acute accent, but since I can find no evidence to support that, I had to revert the move. IIRC, people have tried to move Eric Cantona to Éric Cantona, and Éric Abidal already exists. – PeeJay 15:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva,

I noticed that you've added lots of IPA with (soft) ‹c› and ‹z› represented as voiceless dental fricatives on pages regarding Latin American places, people and events. At first, I thought this was a mistake, but then I saw the earlier discussion you had with SamEV. I'm a bit confused - where is this policy outlined? What would be the appropriate venue to open a dialogue about possibly changing it?

Certainly, there are lots of peculiarities in regional pronunciations so I understand the need/desire to use broad transcription, but for me that does not mean representing a sound that, by the numbers, is only used by a relatively tiny minority of speakers of the language. In some regions of the world, ‹h› is preserved in certain positions, but at Havana, it still says "[la aˈβana]". I agree that it is unrealistic to represent all the peculiarities of regional pronunciation, but the use of ‹θ› to represent ‹c› and ‹z› appears glaring to me, an imposition of European pronunciations on a continent of people who would never say things like that. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva,

I don't believe the pronunciation of ‹h› in some rural areas is the reason for keeping the letter in the official orthography, since the conservative varieties are not prestige varieties. I think it's more of a historical spelling nowadays. WRT the pronunciation of r, I think that's a considerably different situation as a far greater percentage of (native) English speakers conserve it than do the voiceless dental fricative in Spanish (although I do think it's odd to see it in placenames where it's not locally pronounced). --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 21:24, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Nice job. That's the layout that's been staring us in the face and we didn't even see it. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 00:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Xyzzyva,
I've noticed you adding IPA transcriptions of Dutch names, and doing a very good job at it. My compliments. I would like to correct you on one small thing though: the pronunciation of 'van' is not [vɐn] but [vɑn]. As far as I know, ɐ does not occur in Dutch at all.
Kindest regards, TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your writing on my talk page: I would guess that the contributor who wrote that ɐ is an allophone for /ɑ/, meant that it is in Afrikaans. I have certainly never heard of that use in Dutch. As for the use of ɐ as an allophone of unstressed /a/ and as a marginal vowel: I will look into that, it might well be possible. I will raise the issue on the talk page when I find out. - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well done, and thank you. I started that talk page thread because it was apparent to me that I would never guess the correct IPA on my own, and that the syllabic pronunciations in the English-language papers didn't seem to correspond to his own pronunciation in the videos. If Oosthuizen keeps playing like he did last week, ultimately some standardized English pronunciation of his name may evolve, but I guess we can "trek" across that bridge when we get to it. Best, --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to alert that you have 2 different pronouncations in these versions.199.126.224.156 (talk) 09:16, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm tellin ya, Bro, the Spanish way to pronounce his last name is not Barden. Spanish is very clear on the rules to pronounce any word (including last names) that ends with an *M*. It's EMMM not EN. Its a foreign name not object for English translation, Jrod2 (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please dont ignore what I said. We need to settle your claim that the subject's name is pronounced with N at the end not M. The rationale is that his name is in Latin/Spanish. Jrod2 (talk) 03:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said in the commented-out comment in the article, Spanish doesn't contrast the nasal consonants /m, n, ɲ/ in word-final position. Normal Spanish orthography reflects this, and only uses ‹n›. This being a surname, it happens to use an ‹m›, but the /m/ sound still isn't possible here. Listen to these two Spanish-speakers here. Anyway, it's a minor point, and I don't feel like continuing to monitor it. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 17:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea where u are from bro, but i asked 3 Mexicans and 2 Ricans to pronounce that last name and no of them pronounce it with an n at the end. This is something only Spaniards do. So Ima gonna remove the whole thing out 'cause this isn't 'bout how proper Spanish (frm Spain) pronunciation should be or ought to be....if ya wanna, add the latin /m, n, ɲ/. Jrod2 (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great!! Now you add links that create more confusion...did you even read (and understand) the discussion at that forum on WordReference.com?? Its telling ya exactly what I've been talking to ya 'bout. Jrod2 (talk) 19:28, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! Regarding this edit, the English International Home Video subtitles put the subtitles "Four Chicks for a Hold-Up" for "4 Souris pour un hold-up" - Probably because the French for "mice" is the equivalent English slang. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks for cleaning up so much of the IPA again. I added your new template extension to the list at Template:Usage of IPA templates. — kwami (talk) 06:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also added {{IPA-sa}} to Template:Usage of IPA templates (moved it up to the section on functioning templates) and to Template:IPAhelp. — kwami (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added another 35 words to Category_talk:Wikipedia_articles_with_nonstandard_pronunciation, in case you can figure any of them out. They aren't tagged, but are mostly short so the IPA should be easy to find. — kwami (talk) 01:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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If you get around to this, do you think you'd be able to include Faeroese? There are a surprising number. — kwami (talk) 19:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So I was confused. I wasn't reading the pronunciation cue "skew" correctly in my mind. de Bivort 06:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The correct (and only) pronunciation of this word is [ʃuˈi], due to the acute accent in the vowel i. In this case, the hiatus is the only possibility for this word in the Portuguese language.

There is a source for this explanation (see http://www.parana-online.com.br/colunistas/29/70674/?postagem=DICAS+PARA+SE+FALAR+E+ESCREVER+BEM+O+PORTUGUES - in Portuguese). There is a phrase: Em Chuí, há um hiato. (In Chuí, there is a hiatus (translated)).

Portuguese is my first language and I live 150 miles away from Chuí (I have been there many times, of course...).

But thank you for your good-faith edits and the advice about the IPA stress mark. Scheridon (talk) 13:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I heard the samples at Forvo as two syllables. To my ear, Chuí has 2 syllables, but I'm a native speaker, you know... Scheridon (talk) 19:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the IPA pronunciation to the pages about places in Russia. I just thought you might want to know that instead of doing this you could utilize the {{lang-rus}} template, which produces a somewhat cleaner output and is a bit easier to use. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 3, 2011; 18:29 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for converting the pronunciation of "Aveo" from phonetic to IPA. Would you mind doing the same at Toyota Aurion? I have no idea how to formulate IPA pronunciations, so your help would be much appreciated (see this video for spoken pronunciation). OSX (talk • contributions) 00:17, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva, I've seen you are doing some minor mistakes in the transcription of Portuguese. I think you are not fully aware of the syllabification rules of Portuguese.

Syllabication, diphthongs & hiatus don't work as in Spanish or Italian, for example Plínio is trisyllabic |pli.ni.u| ~ [ˈplĩniu] (stress marks it is a proparoxytone word), while Spanish Plinio is bisyllabic |pli.nio| ~ [ˈplinjo]. Would you mind checking your transcriptions and correct them if you can. I've already corrected some; like Plínio Salgado, Maria Bethânia, Rondônia, Morro da Babilônia, Portal da Transparência, Bolsa Família, Palácio da Luz, Inconfidência Mineira, Lampião, etc. Thanks. Jɑυмe (xarrades) 17:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, I think we should discuss it on WP:IPA for Portuguese. The weird thing is most phonological studies of Portuguese don't mention anything about these hiatus/diphthongs in EP/BP, however dictionaries seem to make a difference. Jɑυмe (xarrades) 23:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to let you know, a thread you were involved in has been reopened at [[Wikipedia talk:IPA for Malay#Allophones of [e], [i], [o], and [u] in Indonesian]]. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that link won't work. Anyways, it's at Wikipedia talk:IPA for Malay in that section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He is violating WP:EW policy and we know a sysop which is also a linguist, User talk:Kwamikagami, we can ask him to intermediate this case for us.--Luizdl (talk) 21:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the correction, there is no need to be patronizing or snarky ("by all means add it"). You can well see why anyone could easily make that mistake, given how strange it was to have a IPA-fr in an article that didn't even have a French translation.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just reread your comment and I'm not sure that it was patronizing or snarky, notwithstanding that I got that impression when reading it earlier today. The problem with edit summaries is that tone can be interpreted many different ways, sometimes even by the same person over the course of the same day. I apologize for the comment, which you can happily ignore. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. I wish I did have the English pronunciation, but sadly IPA is just one of those things that I have never been able to "get". Cheers, --Skeezix1000 (talk) 10:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you have an opinion on the changes at Template:C-cmn. I think they need discussion, esp. considering that the editor leaves the articles inconsistent with each other and the key. — kwami (talk) 06:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva, thanks for catching me at Morpheme. After seeing the first anon's obviously false edit summary ("typo (happy is a noun, not an adjective; happiness is an adjective, not a noun)") and noting the later switches returning to that version, I didn't notice the inconsistency between that summary and what the edit actually did. I'm embarrassed that it didn't click. Thank you! Armadillopteryx^talk 16:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, this is probably unnecessary unearthing of old dirt, but I feel it necessary to point out a number of errors in your conversion of German into IPA here (for example, the insertion of word-initial /w/ as "standard German", when it in fact is not at all; ignoring ich-Laut and ach-Laut; improper stress). While it is certainly appreciated that you help out with such transcriptions, you may want to stick with languages that you know well enough to feel comfortable in the accuracy of your transcription. Otherwise, you'll be making English-speakers wubble their German W's left and right before you know it ;) Regards, Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 07:02, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva, Inter arma enim silent leges means In times of war, laws are silent Lotje ツ (talk) 16:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xyzzyva, to avoid any further confusion, I wanted to let you know that your IPA is incorrect for the region. I understand your desire to change IPA to match British or East Coast dialect, but the local dialect pronounces it very differently. I live here (my house is in an area on the map in question). I know how the local region pronounces the area in question. "Nyoo" is not used by anyone in the area, except those who have moved here from distant states or other countries. This is a local geographic region and the dominant local pronunciation is the correct one, not the idealized or originating pronunciation.

"N-oo" with /uː/ as is in "boot" is the dominant pronunciation. No one uses /juː/ in the region and counting on someone understanding whether or not Yod Dropping is happening in the region is an unreasonable burden on the reader. The local dialect / pronunciation takes precedence.

"Madrid" is not pronounced "Ma-drid" with a short "a" as in "Apple." and stress on the first syllable. The stress is on the second syllable, making the "a" either an /ɒ/ or /ʌ/ sound depending on the speaker. /æ/ is absolutely incorrect and used by no one. The final "i" is not pronounced as a short "E," it is always a short "i", which is "ɪ". "ɪ" is absolutely correct and "ɨ" is only correct if you count the receiving pronunciation as "ɪ". Why sow confusion and not put the actual pronunciation IPA.

Also, I apologize, I didn't mean to sound harsh in the edit history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitrowolf (talk • contribs) 01:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries about sounding harsh, that is a risk of edit summaries that I skirt myself sometimes. Now, a couple points. One, when push comes to shove, we need a source for the pronunciation (though I can't find any...)—the fact that either of us lives near enough to know isn't enough. Everything I can find on the web agrees that the first syllable is stressed and rhymes with mad, but it's all discussion forums and the like, not particularly reliable.

Two, you might want to familiarize yourself with diaphonemic broad transcriptions, as that is what has been established as the consensus for our transcriptions of English. In this case, no one cares that the outside reader pronounces the New in New Madrid like the locals do; everyone should just pronounce it as they otherwise do. This is a recurrent enough problem with that policy that the {{IPAc-en}} template has an input of ‹nj› that outputs 'n' as in 'new' . If you wish to change this consensus, you should take it up here.

Three, I'm a little unclear as to your preference: here you say it should be stressed on the second syllable, not the first—which would make it exactly homophonous with the city in Spain: /məˈdrɪd/—but your edit puts the stress on the first.

Four, /ɨ/ is not /i/. It is another convention of that key, used for unstressed vowels that are more or less [ɪ] for speakers who distinguish vowel height in reduced vowels, and [ə] for those who don't. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 17:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by rhymes with mad - do you mean it IS mad? I've occasionally heard people stress the first syllable as "MA-drid," and they are almost always from the East Coast or the UK (seems to go along with the US and UK differences of Garage, Massage, etc...). You are absolutely write in point 3, I had the stress mark on the wrong syllable... not sure what happened there, I think it was because I was thinking it was on the second already due to "New" being in there. I changed the stress mark.

I couldn't find anything on a quick read through of the {{IPAc-en}} page about the template output - I'm a little confused on what you're saying, are you saying the template transcripes <nj> as 'n' or the other way around?

With regards to /ɨ/ I can't find that in the IPA key, do you have a link?

For an authoritative source on pronunciation of the area, what qualifies in a circumstance like this? Perhaps I can find an authoritative source locally and see if that can be verified online somehow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitrowolf (talk • contribs) 23:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I realized that right after I saved it—the first syllable is the same as mad. Just to be clear, are you arguing that's it's pronounced the same as the city in Spain?

That template, if you input ‹nj› into a single cell, outputs /nj/ with a mouseover text of 'n' as in 'new', as it does with /dj/, /tj/, etc., to make it clear that those who yod-drop should do so, and not edit the page to remove the /j/ that non-yod-droppers need to pronounce it correctly. Analogously, there are occasional moves to remove the /r/ from placenames in non-rhotic areas. Actually, the table that that template uses is at {{H:IPA}}.

/ɨ/ is in the Reduced Vowels section of that key, at the bottom of the vowel box.

Citations are difficult on pronunciations. I see it as a sliding scale. The gold standard is an entry in a good dictionary (or for a person's name, a clip of them saying it themself). The lowest reliability I ever bother to include as a citation is something from Forvo. Somewhere in the middle is probably the best we can expect on a topic like this, a use (not an explicit comment on pronunciation) in a news report or geology lecture.

I should also mention, whatever pronunciation we settle on should be propagated to the other New Madrid pages, unless we have reason to believe that the fault has acquired a distinct pronunciation. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly citable, but if you call the New Madrid Chamber of Commerce, their voicemail clearly says [nu ˈmædrɨd]. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 17:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the same as the city in Spain. Although, I did check the Chamber of Commerce voice mail and it's hard to argue with that, but I've not heard it pronounced like that other than on that voice mail. Maybe I'll call there later today when they open and see if they have any insight on that. If we want to use that as the most official source until something better comes along, then that works for me, although I've never been or met anyone from New Madrid, MO, so maybe they have their own pronunciation thing going. But barring anything more definitive, that seems like the best bet.

As for the template, I'm not sure, when referencing a proper name, it applies. Are there precedents as far as that goes?

/ɨ/ is showing in my edit box differently than it does on the Key page, that is very strange. In my edit box, there is two horizontal lines (one in the middle and one on the bottom) on the ɨ and on the key page there is only one (the one in the middle). There is also a hitch at the top of the i, just under the dot. On the key page it's not there, either. So that was the source of my confusion as to what was being referenced.

So in summary, I propose the IPA key as /nuː'mædrɪd/. I still don't see the final "i" being /ɨ/ as as all variations of the pronunciation agree on /ɪ/ as the final "i". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitrowolf (talk • contribs) 14:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Xyzzyva, I removed the claim the William Jewell College was the first four-year men's college west of the Mississippi. It wasn't even the fist in Missouri. I have contacted the school to remove that claim from their webpage yesterday. You used that as a source to restore the claim to Wikipedia. Both Saint Louis University (then St. Louis College) and the University of Missouri were at the time 4-year men's colleges and did not yet allow women (even in the normal schools). In addition, there were other colleges before William Jewell that no longer exist. This is covered in many early histories of Missouri (Switizler's being my favorite). In addition you can find a interesting compilation of historical and extant Missouri colleges at here. For now I will leave the claim in, but with a caveat. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, can I ask you the same question I just asked Aeusoes1. Not about IPA. Can you by any chance point me to the Spanish/Lat-am equivalent of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/France & French-related? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I cannot. I think this is because it doesn't exist. It probably should. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see from my user page I have my own little interest in contributing early music articles which includes Spain and the New World; would you (and possibly Aeusoes1) be willing to help create a simple version of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Spain & Spanish-related modelled on the France one? (Though I think Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hispanophone countries or even simple WP:Naming conventions (Spanish) would be a more appropriate title). In ictu oculi (talk) 02:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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My changes reflect accurate information, and I even provided much stronger sources and arguments (as compared to supporting a wide-spread misconception). My edit acknowledges that it is called that, though based on misconception. The fact is that it's not a matter of pronunciation or choice spelling, as that people would not say it that way or spell it that way IF THEY KNEW BETTER - but people think it REALLY IS spelled that way. It is a misspelling, though a VERY common one. PLEASE read the arguments I posted on the talk page (last section under the "Sherbet (US) contains milk or milkfat while Sorbet does not" section). I am just as "right" as you are, but with more technical accuracy (I acknowledge what is common, but you are refusing to acknowledge my facts), and with very solid sources (versus some girl saying "Oh, yeah I say it this way" -- which is just more evidence of this misconception. If you read that article down all the way, you will see strong points for "sherbert" which are in GROSS error, in contrast to further arguments on the same page which are strongly advocating the correct spelling, with STRONG evidence, e.g. any sherbet product sold anywhere at any store).

I know that this is a painful Paradigm Shift for a lot of people stuck on this misconception, but it is an accurate one; and as an encyclopedia, if it is to be documented at all anywhere, then this is the place for it. As you can see from the article that YOU referenced (if you look at all of it), there is PLENTY of evidence of this being a strong misconception which has caused MUCH stir on the topic. It deserves to come to light in its accuracy. Perhaps this misconception can be fixed by people who go to a source of information to find what is "actually" true. It is then up to that person to decide if they want to just stick with their way anyway, but we cannot let that attitude get in the way of accurate information.

However, to meet half-way, since your point is valid (people DO say it that way) but mine is too (and certainly no less so), I have revised it to be less abrasive in paradigm-shift and worded it more diplomatically. Let's work on this together until we have a satisfactory version.

Thank you, 65.103.136.231 (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm responding to you here since I'm not sure you'll see what goes on your anon talkpage. I did not revert those changes as vandalism, I reverted them as being unhelpful, as they unnecessarily introduce POV. Terms like mispronounce, misspell, etc., are linguistic prescriptivism. The facts on the ground are: 1) that Americans often (perhaps usually) pronounce the word /ˈʃɜrbərt/; 2) the presence of a rhotic in the second syllable naturally leads to a desire to include an ‹r›; 3) according to the Wiktionary entry sherbert at least, that spelling is actually standard in Australia and New Zealand; 4) the spelling sherbet is nonetheless most common on product packaging in the US; 5) if we want to preference the "true original form", the word is شربة. All of this is why I worded it to present sherbet first, with sherbert there as a common variant. Wikipedia is not here to provide complete etymological and usage detail, that's why we have Wiktionary. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 05:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed you changed the pronunciation information used in the Miami, Oklahoma article after I cited it as an example in the discussion at Talk:Norfolk, Virginia. According to the Miami, Oklahoma article, the city derives its name and pronuncitiation thereof from the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma, and I would encourage you to consult the IPA pronunciation key already used in the article on the tribe in order to ensure that the correct local pronunciation of the city's name is accurately reflected in its Wikipedia article. With respect to the Norfolk, Virginia article, I do not really have an opinion on the correct pronunciation having a tendency to use more than one for Norfolk, but since my parents moved to Miami, Oklahoma in 2000, I discovered that local residents are very particular about the correct pronunciation of the city's name and I myself have used it since then. --TommyBoy (talk) 07:19, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I corrected the pronunciation you added to this article. It remained unchallenged for years, but it was wrong. It would be best not to add pronunciations in cases where you're merely guessing. See this Youtube video, for example: [3]. 96.46.200.254 (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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You should take a look at Wikipedia:Single-purpose account. Looking at your history log all I can see is that the sole thing you did in here is to add IPA to every single article. We are not supposed to teach readers how to pronounce every single foreign name. Even less when the name "Caxias" is easily pronounceable in English. I'm not going to force readers to pronounce it in Portuguese. This is not the Portuguese Wikipedia, but the English Wikipedia. I could understand an explanation of how we should pronounce it if it was written in an alphabet that is unreadable to the average English speaking reader. This is not the case. I'm going to ask you to stop your crusade to add IPA to every article you see. --Lecen (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What you have been doing for some time can now be considered an obsession. You have repeatedly added unsourced pronunciation guide to a FA. I revert your edit and then you wait a week to try to put it back. See Wikipedia:Vandalism. If you persist on adding unsourced material to a FA I'll have no other option but to report you. --Lecen (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What did here and here it's unacceptable. See Wikipedia:Canvassing and Wikipedia:Gaming the system. You won't get a consensus by calling friends to help you. --Lecen (talk) 01:07, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. In December you changed the pronunciation given for "Norfolk" from

(/ˈnɒ:ˌfʊk/ NAW-fuuk^[1] or NOR-fək or NOR-fik)

to

(/ˈnɔːrf[invalid input: 'ʉ']k/ NOR-fuuk)

with the explanation,

(Changed IPA to take into account the purported local preference while conforming to the transcription key)

I wrote the former description, and I disagree with the change, but I want to discuss it with you, rather than aggressively reverting your work. Neither of us cites (or, presumably, can cite) any authority for our respective descriptions, but I grew up in Newport News, Va., across the water from Norfolk, I lived and worked in Norfolk from 1987 to 1999, and I frequently return to the area and converse with its inhabitants. Absent published authority, I think that gives me at least the right to an opinion on the subject.

The predominant local pronunciation (which I would maintain is always the correct pronunciation of any place-name, and not merely a "preference") is still non-rhotic, even among people whose speech is otherwise rhotic, such as news readers on local television. Thus, the first pronunciation offered for the name should be /ˈnɒ:ˌfʊk/. Heavy influence from rhotic speakers, through immigration (mainly from other parts of the U.S.) into the area, and through the mass media, is gradually replacing /ˈnɒ:ˌfʊk/ with competing rhotic pronunciations, /ˈnɔrˌfək/ (occasionally /ˈnɔrˈ fo.k/),preferred by adult immigrants; and /ˈnɔrˌfik/, preferred by native children and young adults. I'm a little perplexed by your use of ʉ for the last vowel(using the audio examples at http://web.uvic.ca/ling/resources/ipa/charts/IPAlab/IPAlab.htm as my guide); but maybe you give that symbol a different interpretation?

Your explanation raises a separate issue with respect to "conforming to the transcription key". I gather that has to do with Wikipedian standards for IPA notation, and I confess ignorance on that matter, so I'd appreciate your educating me about that.

If you'd care to respond, please do it here, rather than on my Talk page, so we won't have to switch back and forth to follow the conversation. I'm watching this page, so I'll see your response.

Respectfully,

J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 17:20, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this up for discussion, and sorry for the delayed response.

I was not aware local rhotic speakers used a nonrhotic pronunciation of this name (IMO it seems a little affected, but that's irrelevant). I would disagree that the local pronunciation is always the correct one, but it is always a correct one. If local rhotic speakers do not traditionally pronounce the /r/, that's worth indicating. But nonlocal rhotic speakers certainly do pronounce the /r/, and that's worth indicating too—especially since the main thing we're trying to show to nonlocals is that the second vowel isn't /oʊ/. But we can't get lost in the weeds of local accent variation: your /ɒː/ almost certainly corresponds to the local speaker's /ɔːr/ or /ɔː/—that is, it's same vowel they'd use in the word NORTH, right?

Now for the second syllable variation. This use of [ʉ] is a peculiarity of the Help:IPA for English key: it's a diaphoneme for a sound that varies between /ʊ/ and /ə/, often even for the same speaker; similarly, /[invalid input: 'ɨ']/ is used for a sound variable between /ɪ/ and /ə/, as many speakers don't distinguish these sounds in reduced syllables. These are some of the many such peculiarities of that transcription guide, which is why we try to always link such transcriptions to the key with templates like {{IPAc-en}}—most users are going to need some explanation. The template also helps editors keep the transcription in line with the key, should a change in the preferred style occur. Meanwhile, the respelling system described at WP:Pronunciation respelling key and enclosed in the template {{respell}} are used only as secondary transcriptions. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 00:46, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that helpful response. Traditionally, Virginians east of the mountains have pronounced both NORTH and NORFOLK with /ɒ/, rather than with /ɔ/. It's a closer, lower back-vowel than /ɔ/. I can't think of an example of it in English RP, but in American Broadcast English it's closer to the vowel in law than that in lore. (Those words rhyme in most traditional, non-rhotic, East-Coast American accents, as in RP, but not in American Broadcast.) In NORFOLK, the first vowel actually sounds as if it were going to be followed by an [l] (i.e., L, which would not be pronounced, other than by modifying the vowel, as in WALFORD).

Not quite sure where you come down on the second vowel. I agree that it's roughly correct to say it can vary between /ʊ/ and /ə/, but I'd still rather present it as /ʊ/ than as [ʉ], first, because the pronunciation assigned to [ʉ] in the audio examples at http://web.uvic.ca/ling/resources/ipa/charts/IPAlab/IPAlab.htm doesn't sound at all like /ʊ/ or /ə/; and, second, because I want to discourage the widespread impression that it's pronounced /ʌ/, as in the old sailors' joke, "We don't smoke, nor drink, ˈnɔɹˌfʌk." It's closer to the vowel in FOOT than to that in either FUN or ORPHAN, but it's reduced, as in the name CROFOOT. Because /ə/ and /ʌ/ are closer to each other than either is to /ʊ/, I'd like to use /ʊ/ here. Do you agree? How should the pronunciation be presented in the article? J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 17:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think I may have /ə/ and /ʌ/ reversed. By /ə/ I mean the second vowel in WAITED, and by /ʌ/ I mean the vowel in MUD. Is that right, or should it be the other way around—or something else yet? J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 17:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You made this edit to the article Paul Doumer, and the incorrect pronunciation you added has remained in the article for four years. I presume you attempted to guess the pronunciation from the spelling, but if you had known more French, you'd have known that er can be pronounced [ɛʀ] as well as [e]. I think it would be helpful if you refrained from guessing at pronunciations, as you may be misleading people. For the correct pronunciation, please listen to either of these videos. [4] [5] Alternatively, consider the fact that the Russian transliteration of his name has an r in it (which isn't the case for Maurice Rouvier, for instance). 184.171.214.81 (talk) 00:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see Merriam-Webster [6] and Northwest Pronunciation Guide [7]. They contradict the IPA you added. — Brianhe (talk) 00:47, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Northwest Pronunciation Guide gives the same pronunciation Xyzzyva added. MW contradicts it in the final full vowel, but the audio isn't working. — kwami (talk) 02:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, maybe both shoild be added? The M-W audio worked for me, by the way, and said "paw". Brianhe (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IPA is in the article, but only aminority of our readers can understand it, so having the common-sense pronunciation is worthwhile. Per WP:BRD your bold edit has been reverted, so you must not discuss on the talk page, while the article stays in the condition it was oin before the bold edit. Please do not edit war. Thanks. BMK (talk) 07:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that in the page for Katha you added the pronunciation of Burmese: ကသာ; MLCTS: ka. sa as IPA: [ka̰θà]. Is there a source for this? Wouldn't it be IPA: [kəðà] with the weakening of the open, creaky-voiced vowel and the voicing of the fricative in the word-internal voiced environment? --Iceager (talk) 11:15, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually, no. I was just trying to understand Burmese pronunciations based on the transcription examples, and the one you put for Katha seemed anomalous, which is why I'm asking. I'm not sure about the voicing of the 'th', and in fact the pronunciations of Katha I can find from online videos seem to be usually [kətà], with unaspirated [t] instead of the fricative (these may be speakers of minority languages who have trouble with the Burmese fricative). I was wondering if your transcription was based on a source that indicated whether or not there was vowel-weakening and the fricative voicing in the standard Burmese pronunciation (for example, certain romanizations where vowel-weakening is indicated with 'ă' and voiced sounds are underlined). --Iceager (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I have noticed that you have recently edited several pages about figures from Sumerian mythology, adding cuneiform signs and correcting ones that are incorrect. I am trying to improve the article Inanna and bring it up to good article status. It recently underwent a peer review in which some of the cuneiform signs in the article were questioned. Could you please check them to make sure they are accurate and, if they are inaccurate, correct them. If they are accurate, I would greatly appreciate it if you would provide some brief explanation of them, as the article currently seems to indicate that the correct pronunciation of Inanna's name is actually MUŠ₃, which sounds nothing at all like "Inanna." Thank you very much for reading this. I, unfortunately, cannot read ancient Sumerian cuneiform and I would greatly appreciate your help. --Katolophyromai (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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	Thank you for adding an IPA to Hotelito Desconocido! Much appreciated. MX (✉ • ✎) 22:03, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for creating the key. Do you by any chance have a source for [ʎ̥] (or /ʎ̥/, not sure if it's phonemic) in Inupiaq? If it indeed occurs in that language, we should list it on voiceless palatal lateral approximant. Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. thanks a lot for your nice IPA adding. I've a question. Is there any method to add french IPA automatically in articles? without separating the letters... simply? thanks for your attention.Sillverfox (talk) 06:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Xyzzyva. I've seen that you've edited Help:IPA/Italian in the past, so I thought you could help me to understand a thing. Note 5 says: "the n in /nɡ/~/nk/ is a velar [ŋ], and the one in /nf/~/nv/ is the labiodental [ɱ]". I was wondering why in the symbol list does appear ŋ but ɱ doesn't, but I've read in the same note: "but for simplicity, ⟨m⟩ is used here". Why such a distinguo is made here? In Italian a nasal always assimilates to the following consonant, so ŋ can be found just before k and g while ɱ can be found just before f and v. If it's for simplicity, then also ŋ should be transcribed as n (since, unlike in other languages, in Italian this sound can't be found elsewhere). But this makes the transcription less accurate. Then, why doesn't ɱ have its own place in the list? It's weird to me such a different treatment... Could you enlighten me about this issue, please? Fredoniaman (talk) 09:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This edit of you got me puzzled. Why should the Russian (version) name of a candidate in a Ukrainian Presidential election be mentioned before his Ukrainian (version) name? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:23, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yulia Romero: My usual practice is to list a person's native language name first. I don't know if there is any formal WP policy on this. Language is obviously a complicated political topic in Ukraine. In his case I have no problem with the other order, considering he's fully bilingual and relevant in both major languages of Ukraine. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 23:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, you do admit your edit was not policy based? A person can speak 10 languages. There is no requirement to provide transliteration of his name to all these languages. My very best wishes (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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