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I think the executive presidency order should also be there. Because previously I experienced most of users were distracted by the order shown in Wiki. (Order of presidency and executive presidency) Nimesh Ekanayake 11:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimeshkasunekanayaka (talkcontribs)

Hi, Nimeshkasunekanayaka, welcome to Wikipedia. The executive presidency is not a formal position. It only gives the holder of the post of President executive powers. Therefore having two orders makes no sense since its one post, the President of Sri Lanka. Cossde (talk) 06:05, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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S. C. Obeysekara Jnr[edit]

I'm struggling to find any reliable sources (in fact any sources) that provides details about S. C. Obeysekara Jnr. If you know of any, particularly that support the claim he was a member of the Legislative Council of Ceylon then I'd be happy to remove the PROD notice. If I can help in any way let me know. Dan arndt (talk) 07:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The only issue is that neither his father or children had the same name, so the question is why is it S. C. Obeysekara Jnr? Dan arndt (talk) 07:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The more I look at the letter in "The Nation" the more I have to agree with you that S. C. Obeysekara Jnr is actually Solomon Christoffel Obeyesekere. There is just no contrary evidence that an individual by the name of S. C. Obeysekara Jnr, who was a member of the Legislative Council, ever existed. I’d be happy if you want to go ahead and delete the article.Dan arndt (talk) 11:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've put a request for the page to be deleted and beefed up the Solomon Christoffel Obeyesekere article.Dan arndt (talk) 03:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw you tagged Royal–Sri Palee for speedy deletion as an article with no content. Just want to say that A3 only applies when the article is essentially empty, save for maybe some external links and/or perhaps a rephrasing of the article title. While The Royal–Sri Palee (Battle of Kapukula) [1] is the annual Big Match played between Royal College, Horana and Sri Palee College Horana. is currently brief, this gives the article some content, more than enough to understand what the topic is. As a result, A3 probably does not apply and I declined the tag. I thought of tagging the article under A7 (and I wouldnt have overturned had you tagged it with A7), but I ended up with a PROD tag to appear less bitey. Please let me know if there are any issues. Thanks --Dps04 (talk) 11:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed. Cossde (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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LTTE ranks[edit]

Here are some reliable sources which show that the LTTE used military ranks:

--Obi2canibe (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These doesn't define a Military rank structure, it only refers to the use of brigadier or Lt. Col. as a title. What is the rank hierarchy or which rank Prabhakaran had as head of the LTTE militancy. Cossde (talk) 07:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read the sources. And also WP:BOLD.--Obi2canibe (talk) 15:47, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you provide sources that indicate a Military rank structure as that we could add it. Cossde (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Read the sources. You're no longer at the prestigious school, you don't need to be spoon fed.--Obi2canibe (talk) 18:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is very disappointing to see that you have fallen to personal attackers against me. This is a clear violation of WP:AVOIDYOU and I kindly request you to desist. On the matter at hand, as I said clearly, please provide the rank structure used by the LTTE so that we can add it to the relevant article and thereafter link these articles of rebels to it for clarity. The basic concept of a Military rank is that it is a hierarchy and ranks only make sense in that structure (i.e. rank 1 is higher than rank 2 ), else its just a part of the name or nom de guerre (i.e. Captain America is the nom de guerre of Steve Rogers). It would be interesting to understand this structure one source you have include above, indicates that the LTTE was a flat structure which is the opposite of Military rank (i.e. abolishing of ranks in the People's Liberation Army Ground Force as a result of the Cultural Revolution and the Albanian People's Army) therefore the sources you yourself have given are contradictory and only indicates that these have been used as a form of their nom de guerre.Cossde (talk) 19:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily Mirror source for example, gives clear evidence of a military ranking structure, with posthumous promotions being given, raising a cadres rank e.g:
'Arulventhan or Charles held Lt. Col. Rank when killed. He was promoted posthumously as “Colonel.”'Oz346 (talk) 06:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Oz346, thanks but that's not helpful at all. It only proves that "Colonel" is superior to "Lt. Col.". We need a good source with the rank structure which places "Colonel", "Lt. Col." and others in it without stepping into WP:OR. Cossde (talk) 06:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please show me the Wikipedia policy that says we need a detailed document showing the ranking structure of the LTTE, before we can accept the reliable sources that unequivocally describes those LTTE members as having those ranks?
Secondly Tamilnet has been deemed a reliable source by consensus which involves neutral Wikipedia admins, so your purging of Tamil news sources on the child soldiers page is going against Wikipedia policies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_64
You cannot make your own rules on a whim, just because you do not like something stated in a reliable source.Oz346 (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First, @Oz346 the whole objective of rank is the rank structure, so that one understand what where the ranks fall in i.e. what is higher what is lessor. Else its meaningless and simply becomes a part a name. As you say if these are ranks used by the LTTE, I am sure you can provide reliable sources indicating the rank structure indicating the hierarchy and the rank insignia. As I said before, we can add it to the LTTE article and link the ranks of these carders to it as it the case with other military ranks, else its just a part of the name or nom de guerre. Cossde (talk) 05:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Secondly, the consensus you indicate has identified as a Pro LTTE reliable source and can be used pertaining to the LTTE. Content that was removed was pertaining to the Sri Lankan Army. Cossde (talk) 05:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you are making your own rule up again, there was no restriction given by the admins on what Tamilnet can be used to reference for related to news content on SL civil war (its main area of interest), as long as it's given attribution as 'pro-rebel Tamilnet'. This is what the neutral admins have said, are you going against their recommendations? Oz346 (talk) 07:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Oz346, there is no reason for you to get offensive/aggressive here. I only pointed that Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation/Sources classified Tamilnet as a QS pro-rebel. Which means Qualified sources what tell only tell one side of the story. Hence your use of it conserves WP:NPOV#bias, when used to tell the story from the side of the SLA or the GoSL. Cossde (talk) 07:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/172330675
No that is NOT what it means, it does not mean that Tamilnet can not be used to describe things related to SLA. It means that Tamilnet must be explicitly shown to be a source which has bias in the topic, and therefore needs attribution. The 'other side' in this case would be a pro-SLA source which may theoretically offer contrary rules. However, the recommendation did NOT say you can censor Tamilnet from the SLA related topics. Oz346 (talk) 07:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
typo. 'Contrary views' I meant Oz346 (talk) 07:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Oz346, again there is no reason for you to get offensive/aggressive here. Simply using a one sided source to talk of the other side goes against WP:NPOV. Cossde (talk) 08:01, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing in the NPOV page which justifies you removing the pro-rebel source to describe an event related to the SL army. In fact NPOV clearly supports the inclusion of reliable sources even if they have biases:
"A common argument in a dispute about reliable sources is that one source is biased and so another source should be given preference. Some editors argue that biased sources should not be used because they introduce improper POV to an article. However, biased sources are not inherently disallowed based on bias alone, although other aspects of the source may make it invalid. Neutral point of view should be achieved by balancing the bias in sources based on the weight of the opinion in reliable sources and not by excluding sources that do not conform to the editor's point of view."
please show me the passage in the NPOV article which justifies your claim. Thanks. Oz346 (talk) 08:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Oz346, your edits did not present any argument of sorts, you added Tamilnet's claims, without explicit attribution, that SLA was recruiting underage personal where as the local media you referred to categorically denied it. It appeared as editorial bias which is a clear violation of NPOV. This I believe falls under "Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts." i.e. Tamilnet claims SLA carrying out school level recruitment and Tamilnet claims found a NIC that states the dead soldier was 17 years old. Your edits were editorial biased, stating seriously contested assertions as facts. Your are welcome. Cossde (talk) 09:33, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a satisfactory reason to completely purge the reliable source and it's passages, attribution could have been added. I reverted your large scale, wholesale, unjustified deleting to the status quo. As consensus on Tamilnet states, it should not be deleted wholesale. If I had originally written those phrases, I would had added attribution. It's not a major problem, you can add the source back now with the attribution, and we can get consensus.Oz346 (talk) 09:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry that you don't seem to agree, however as I remember it was your additions to the page that I reverted based on my assumption that your edits were editorial biased and clear NPOV. A sort of a tit for tat edit, which I don't think is justifiable in Wikipedia. You seem to continue the edits propagated by பெரும்பாண்டியன்2 which makes me wonder if you are a scockpuppet. Cossde (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
well you are wrong, I did not write any new passages to that article, I merely reverted your wholesale purging of Tamilnet which is contrary to the consensus reached on Wikipedia re: tamilnet use as a reliable source. And as for your baseless accusation of me being a sock puppet for that user. I'm very happy for a sockpuppet investigation to be made comparing that user with me, because we are NOT the same person. You shouldn't revert things on 'assumptions', but on the merits of the sources and Wikipedia policies and consensus decisions. Just repeatedly saying NPOV, NPOV without justifying where exactly in the NPOV policy supports your argument to remove Tamilnet is not enough.Oz346 (talk) 10:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You seem keen on propagating பெரும்பாண்டியன்2's edits and my assumptions are based on Wikipedia policies. If you are unhappy with those, you more than welcome to take these to arbitration. Cossde (talk) 10:58, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SebastianHelm,: could you please look into this, user Cossde has wholesale deleted Tamilnet cited passages, and is refusing to allow it's use, when previous Wikipedia consensus explicitly said that it can be used with attribution. Thank you for your time. Oz346 (talk) 11:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding LTTE ranks, there are reliable sources showing that they did use a traditional military ranking system:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2009/4/28/the-history-of-the-tamil-tigers

"LTTE military ranks and grades are similar to those of the Sri Lankan army. These include two grades of enlisted ranks, non-commissioned officers and commissioned officers.

The units also follow a similar structural pattern with squads as the smallest and the regiment as the largest military unit." Oz346 (talk) 11:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Oz346, but this isn't helpful at all its confusing. It says that the "LTTE military ranks and grades are similar to those of the Sri Lankan army. These include two grades of enlisted ranks, non-commissioned officers and commissioned officers". However the Sri Lanka Army rank structure doesn't have two grades of enlisted ranks, it has seven other ranks which includes warrant officers and NCOs. That is why we need the exact ranks structure to include it in the LTTE article. Cossde (talk) 12:06, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jumping in here. @Oz346: There is no need to use an unreliable source like TamilNet when the same content already exists with citations to reliable sources. Trying to expand on single unreliable source to create WP:UNDUE weight is not WP:NPOV. Also you have engaged in WP:OR as the source you added clearly states "The newspaper made clear the campaign was directed at school leavers above the age of 18" and "By his letter Lt. General Daluwatte had encouraged these senior officers to visit schools, where they received their primary and secondary education, in a bid to woo the senior students to join the Army once they reach the age of 18." and nowhere child soldiers are even mentioned. Putting a fake source doesn't mean you can make up things not only not present in the source but totally contradict it. -UmdP 16:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have not engaged in any OR. Those sources were not originally added by me. I reverted changes that were justified on the spurious basis that Tamilnet is not a reliable source, when neutral admins on wiki have already deemed it as a reliable source that can be used with attribution.Oz346 (talk) 16:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can call Tamilnet unreliable as much as you want, that doesn't change Wikipedia's consensus decision that it's a reliable source. Tamilnet is the only media source which exposed Sri Lankan Army human rights abuses like this to the world in English:

https://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=13&artid=18447

Pictures don't lie, no matter how many times people say 'unreliable'.Oz346 (talk) 17:02, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not reliable here, it is explicitly stated to be biased and the information is exclusively from it thus in that article it is unreliable. There are reliable sources for both against the LTTE and the government in that article already and adding information entirely reliant on TamilNet is WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. Also as you did re-add the content multiple times so you have taken WP:BURDEN from the user that originally added it and you continue to argue in favour of it. Thank you - UmdP 17:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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As you created the article 1953 Coronation Honours (Ceylon), could you please review the article 1953 Coronation Honours (Pakistan) to check whether everything has been put at the right place per the source? Thank you. Peter Ormond 💬 21:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peter, it seems fine. Great work. Cossde (talk) 06:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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