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Feedback on Vector (2022) conversation[edit]

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Editing news 2022 #2[edit]

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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Circular redirect[edit]

I just changed about 20 hatnotes in List of lakes of the United States (in this case using {{main list}}) where the target was the same article. This would probably be a good error to flag, if reasonable to do so. I have no idea how feasible this is, so just passing this along for you to consider. MB 15:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That … would be fairly impractical to flag, plus redirect-target-checking operations are expensive. My judgement is that that's not worth the effort and cost to implement in the various modules. I'd start by looking/asking around if there's a database report or similar on circular redirects … perhaps starting at Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia? {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 16:10, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thought that it might be easy, like wherever you do the redlink check, just adding there if not redlink, then is the target same as this page? But I am probably over-simplifying.
I did look at WikiProject Check Wikipedia, but that is all focused on scanning the source code. It does find circular redirects that exist up as wikilinks in the source code. But these are not links in the code, they are template parameters. I guess I could make a bot request for someone to write a bot that scanned hatnotes for the article name used as a parameter, but even that would miss cases where there is an intermediate redirect involved. Since don't have any evidence this is a big problem, I'll just drop this. MB 00:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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23:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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Causes of redlink hatnotes[edit]

I think there are two main causes of these:

1. Sports editors who add

because they think that there should be an article on almost every aspect of anything sports related, but never actually write them.

2. Deleted articles. I have seen new additions to the category after deletions where the Admin ran Twinkle Unlink which removes wikilinks to deleted articles but doesn't do anything with links in hatnotes. There is probably not much we can do to prevent #1, but I have asked at Twinkle, if you have any comments to add there. MB 19:00, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-36[edit]

23:19, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

other uses[edit]

OK, Boustan is throwing an error with the first:

I would normally change this to the second, even though the title is not an exact match, it should be obvious. What is "correct"? MB 15:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hatnote templates using unusual parameters has a testcase. Can you prevent that so the category can be empty when all articles are fixed? Thanks. MB 15:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The second is correct, and I'll work on removing the testcases page in a moment. The template will output the category Category:Hatnote templates using unusual parameters if parameter 1 is case-insensitively equal to the page title (strictly, prefixed title) and there are at most 2 parameters. That catches cases that should use {{other uses}} instead of {{other uses of}}, because if the "use" is the title, then it's redundant (even if the disambiguation title is slightly different). I made a mistake normalizing that one to the first version, so I just fixed it to the second. Oh, and for the record, I've been to Boustan, and their food is tasty! :) {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 15:26, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About/For[edit]

Hallo, in this edit you replaced {{About}} with {{For}}, saying "Simplified hatnote syntax"; I always use "About" because it is then easier to expand the hatnote if a second alternative link becomes necessary - "For" is less flexible and can't take a second argument. So I'm not sure that it's an improvement to "simplify" like this. PamD 06:45, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it to be an improvement and a simplification because using {{about}} with an empty first parameter makes understanding the wikitext require understanding how {{about}} works, whereas using {{for}} or {{for multi}} is more self-explanatory. Those who want to expand hatnotes can simply change {{for}} or {{for multi}} into {{for multi}} or {{about}} with little to no change in parameter syntax (and the ones I'm changing to {{for}} are ones with no change in syntax). Replacing instances of {{about}} with {{for}} or {{for multi}} also accomplishes a maintenance goal of having a slightly more strictly-defined use-case for each hatnote. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 15:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Tech News: 2022-37[edit]

01:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Feedback on proposed talk page design changes[edit]

hi @Nihiltres – I wonder: would you be open to having a look at the design changes the Foundation's Editing Team planning to introduce for talk pages and sharing what thoughts/ideas/questions/concerns/etc. they bring to mind?

Here are some links to two prototypes if you end up having the time to look at them:


And for some added context:

  1. The changes you see in the links above are intended to make it easier for: 1) people who are new to recognize and use talk pages as places to communicate with other volunteers and 2) people who are more experienced to understand the activity happening on a given talk page. More context.
  2. I'm Peter. I work as the product manager for the Editing Team. I'm reaching to you in response to @Pelagic making – what I thought was, – the wise suggestion of reaching out to interface admins for feedback considering the unique perspective and expertise they've developed on how pages are laid out and presented to people.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Nihiltres,

I saw you decline the speedy deletion tag on this User page. That's interesting to me because this year there have been massive deletions of User pages that had, what I consider, little biographical content. We're talking about thousands of old User pages deleted. Recently, I've seen User pages tagged for deletion that just contained the name of the editor and where they lived. Somehow this was considered "promotional"!

Maybe one day there should be a longer discussion on what a User page should be allowed to contain before it's considered a "webhost", a discussion involving both members of the New Page Patrol along with admins who regularly check out the Speedy Deletion categories. I think most of them would have deleted that User page without a second thought. Any way, I hope you have a good weekend! Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

U5 is … an interesting criterion. I take the position that some user page self-description is reasonable content that we'd expect for a user page, rather than being "not closely related to Wikipedia's goals" as in the U5 wording. A strict reading of U5 risks biting newbies by making their "few or no edits" something that will get their user page deleted (discouraging them from editing further!) when the content is otherwise what we'd expect a user page to contain. If we really meant for newbies to not have user pages at all, then we'd just restrict user page creation to autoconfirmed or similar. OldTimerBillySlater's page is a prime example of user pages being relevant because it explains how they have past experience with Wikipedia as an IP editor, which is useful information for anyone encountering them and thus in my view somewhat "related to Wikipedia's goals" enough to justify declining (plus maybe they get some credit on the "few or no edits" front, but I hope that that is not relevant).
I'd definitely agree with a review of this criterion—certainly I think others apply it too liberally, especially with regards to its bitey potential. Perhaps I'm just being persnickety about the speedy criteria, but if the alternative is being bitey, it's probably worth it.
Please have a lovely weekend yourself. :) {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 23:50, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-38[edit]

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Contesting Speedy Deletion: Raffiey Nasir[edit]

Dear Nihiltres,

You have nominated a page created by me for speedy deletion. The page was in order, with references to almost all of the biography info in it - the ones that matter, at least. May I ask why you nominated it for speedy deletion? I see the reason you have given was "unambiguous advertising or promotion". Can you please elaborate on that?

Kind regards, ResearchedEditor100 ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 21:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did not nominate it for deletion; I carried out the deletion. As the deletion log shows, I deleted it under speedy deletion criterion G11, which qualifies unambiguous advertising or promotion for deletion. I agreed with Edwardx's nomination of the article on those grounds; that's about it. I'm satisfied that the deletion was in order, but if you feel otherwise, please feel free to bring the issue to deletion review. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 23:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, you could have another attempt as Draft:Raffiey Nasir, and then submit it for consideration at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Edwardx (talk) 00:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
== Deletion review for Raffiey Nasir ==

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Raffiey Nasir. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ResearchedEditor100 (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

deleting redirects from draftspace[edit]

17:02, 25 September 2022 Nihiltres talk contribs deleted page Draft:The Upstairs Downstairs Bears (G6: redirect from draftspace)

Why did you delete this redirect? I understand that consensus was that trailing redirects from draftspace to mainspace should not be deleted. They provide important pointers for people looking for the draft. The redirect discourages forking by someone starting the draft again. Can you please undelete the redirect? -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was moved to draft essentially at Mondernponderer's request at DRV, was there for barely five hours before being moving back to mainspace, and then the redirect was tagged for deletion by Modernponderer. Nobody else is going to be "looking for the draft" there. It was, at the very worst, a mislabeled G7. —Cryptic 14:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Cryptic, I am happy to call it a "mislabelled G7", but would like User:Nihiltres to know that "G6: redirect from draftspace" is not a proper deletion rationale. Draftspace to mainspace redirects are often helpful to various people, especially authors and their offline bookmarks and memories. Even if this is a trivial case, it should not be routine to delete them. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-39[edit]

MediaWiki message delivery 00:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you delete this draft? It was a redirect to The Upstairs Downstairs Bears after the draft was moved to article space. Redirects from draft space to article space are kept, except under unusual circumstances. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I missed that draft-to-mainspace redirects are typically kept, so I've made a few such G6 deletions in error, but won't be making any more. I'll undelete this example. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 14:59, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for Assistance[edit]

Hello, I have been noticing disruptive edits to a page I maintain from the same user. This page is Jin Boyang. I have reverted their edits before, and I am not sure they are following the editing protocol properly. I have put my concerns on their talk page, as well as the talk page of the article I mentioned, I hope you can read them.

Could you provide me with any assistance? I saw conduct disputes can be resolved by admins online if we wish to "skip all the drama" which is how I got to your page. Editor120918756 (talk) 04:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Horse Eye's Back has gotten back to you on the talk page. While they could be significantly friendlier, they are technically right to demand reliable sources for your edits, including removing unsourced content; the biographies of living persons policy is clear. Administrator intervention doesn't seem necessary at this time; please continue to engage with them on the talk page for now. Should either you or they escalate the conflict in some way, please feel free to ping me there. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 16:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, will do. :) Editor120918756 (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Redhat observation[edit]

Just passing this along. I have emptied most of the end of the alphabet (letter starting after R). I often is click on the link to go to the creation page which tells me whether the article had been deleted. If not, I usually search for the term to see if it covered somewhere and should maybe redirect there. Now that I am able to watch for some newly added articles in the cat, I can see that sometimes a working link is just changed to a redlink and the fix is to revert. Right now, I can only notice this in S-Z. I'm probably deleting "old" corrupted hatnotes because it would take forever to search the edit history to see if the hatnote ever "worked". The point of this is just to say this is turning out to be quite useful and will be more so when the cat is eventually empty.

One specific request concerns Three Sisters (Oregon) and The Vanishing Race which both have hatnotes that link to Files. Can you figure out some way to get them out of the category? Though unusual, they seem to be useful hatnotes. I guess I could change them to use {{hatnote}} unless you recommend something else. MB 00:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Page move redhats[edit]

This redhat occurred after Alison White was moved to Alison White (cricketer). The mover should have noticed and fixed this, but this is not the first one I have seen and there are still almost 8K in Category:Articles with hatnote templates targeting a nonexistent page. If your redhat check looked for things with double disambiguation and put them in a separate subcat - I could probably fix them in bulk with a AWB run. Just an idea to consider. MB 20:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your intadmin flag[edit]

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