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Bedroom pop and alt-pop - are they notable enough to get their own article now?[edit]

Does anyone know anything about alt-pop music or whether there is any decent references about alt-pop out there in books or online. So many people are using the term online these days but if you do any google search about 'what is alt-pop' takes you to random info about indie rock or out-of-date stuff about indie pop in the 1980s, so I think that a line such as the quote below needs to be placed in one of the music genre sections (for example the teen pop, pop music, indie pop, art-pop etc) if it is not worthy of an article of its own...and as the bedroom pop link is also useless just redirecting you back to the top of the Lo-fi music page...

"In the 21st Century, lots of new acts have been grouped under the 'alt pop' label[1] with the genre being used for a range of artists in the charts[2][3] seen to have a broad appeal but seen to be less manufactured and more eclectic or original[4][5].[6] Artists[7] include Tate McRae,[8][9][10][11] Halsey[12][13] [14][15] Chloe Moriondo,[16][17][18][19] Beren Olivia, [20] [21][22][23][24][25] Jack River,[26][27][28][29][30] and Billie Eilish".[31][32]

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Now some Wikipedia editiors think the term is not worthy of its own article because only dictionaries have decided what the term is, even though sites like AllMusic and Popmatters have used the term frequently when promoting various alt-pop artists (in addition AllMusic's description is a bit out of date and merged with that of alt-rock)...the only other thing I found with google was the following but it couldn't be accessed (and I do not know if it can be used as a source anyway)

The Modern, AltPop Perspective - Impakterhttps://impakter.com › modern-altpop-perspective Altpop should be defined as genre that experiments with popular categories of music of all eras and shows the vision and influences of the specific artist.

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Anyway something has to be done as if you google alt-pop or click on a link here it takes you to the wrong information or out of date information...and I don't think that's one of the core values of Wikipedia.

Regards, BEccles81.152.238.125 (talk) 14:18, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Bedroom pop[edit]

In regards to the advice from Michael 'Binks' Knowles...

15:09, 5 July 2021‎ Binksternet talk contribs‎ 66,545 bytes −1,976‎ →‎Bedroom Pop: revert... keep conversation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music

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So the argument before was whether alt-pop was about popstars like Tate McRae and Beren Olivia or indie bands like Space (not the French band) and The Beta Band.

So should bedroom pop could go in the space where alt-pop used to be on the indie pop page?

At the moment if you click for the bedroom pop article it takes you to lo-fi music and bedroom pop gets about one line in the whole article. Maybe there is a bit more to say there in the indie pop section about bedroom pop than in the lo-fi section, as there seems to be loads of stuff about bedroom pop online[33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44] - and then when AllMusic updates its genre listings to include these new genres both can get their own articles. Job done! BEccles81.152.238.125 (talk) 16:01, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3pn7dG5TPJuNf9qpY3U6ci
  2. ^ https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/52396/billie-eilish/
  3. ^ https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/48297/halsey/
  4. ^ "Definition of ALTERNATIVE POP". Merriam-webster.com. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  5. ^ "How bedroom pop became the dominant sound of Gen-Y angst". The Independent. 2 December 2019. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  6. ^ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alternative%20pop
  7. ^ https://riffmagazine.com/opinion/top-30-songs-2020-phoebe-bridgers/
  8. ^ https://www.spin.com/2020/10/how-tate-mcrae-became-a-pop-star-during-a-pandemic/
  9. ^ https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-radar/tate-mcrae-all-singing-all-dancing-alt-pop-superstar-2738001
  10. ^ "Tate McRae, dancer turned pop sensation: "There's so much freedom in singing"". Readdork.com. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  11. ^ [1]
  12. ^ https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8513267/halsey-best-songs-top-20
  13. ^ https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8548319/halsey-manic-career-recap
  14. ^ https://www.grimygoods.com/2015/11/20/halsey-rips-industry-at-first-sold-out-fonda-theatre-photos-review/
  15. ^ https://uproxx.com/pop/halsey-alternative-radio-female-musicians-biased-problem/
  16. ^ https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-radar/chloe-moriondo-pop-punk-hero-interview-2914816
  17. ^ https://www.nme.com/reviews/album/chloe-moriondo-blood-bunny-review-radar-2934902
  18. ^ https://i-d.vice.com/en_uk/article/epngdw/chloe-moriondo-blood-bunny-music-interview-on-pop-punk-and-tiktok
  19. ^ https://cloutcloutclout.com/new-music/chloe-moriondo-i-eat-boys/
  20. ^ https://www.totalntertainment.com/music/beren-olivia-release-is-that-what-you-like-now/
  21. ^ https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/one-to-watch-beren-olivia-is-an-alt-pop-superstar-in-the-making__33478/
  22. ^ https://giggoer.com/2021/06/18/beren-olivia-song-review-hurt-again/
  23. ^ https://starsalert.com/news/one-to-watch-beren-olivia-is-an-alt-pop/679442
  24. ^ https://www.thelowdown.online/post/beren-olivia-history
  25. ^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000v10k
  26. ^ http://www.nettwerk.com/label/jack-river
  27. ^ https://www.ozy.com/the-new-and-the-next/this-sustainability-star-says-virtual-events-are-not-the-future/303666/
  28. ^ https://primarytalent.com/jack-river/
  29. ^ https://artists.teamwass.com/music/jack-river/
  30. ^ https://notion.online/sailing-down-the-jack-river/
  31. ^ "Billie Eilish and the Alt-Pop Movement". Dailybassandtreble.com. 10 April 2019. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  32. ^ "Alt Pop Genre". Stereostickman.com. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  33. ^ https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/bedroom-pop-billie-eilish-rex-orange-county-clairo-spotify-a9226256.html
  34. ^ https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/what-s-bedroom-pop-how-online-diy-movement-created-musical-n1131926
  35. ^ https://brokenstereo.medium.com/bedroom-pop-and-the-rise-of-the-diy-artist-1946e83bc7e0
  36. ^ https://thefortyfive.com/opinion/what-is-bedroom-pop/
  37. ^ https://www.collater.al/en/best-bedroom-pop-artists-2018/
  38. ^ https://flypaper.soundfly.com/discover/9-bedroom-pop-artists-we-cant-stop-listening-to-right-now/
  39. ^ https://cherwell.org/2020/07/20/the-beauty-of-bedroom-pop/
  40. ^ https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/breakout-bedroom-pop-stars
  41. ^ https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/music/a33396347/popular-bedroom-pop-artists-quarantine/
  42. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/may/12/my-studio-is-an-extra-limb-right-now-bedroom-pop-the-perfect-genre-for-lockdown
  43. ^ https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2018/04/bedroom-pop-diy-artists/
  44. ^ https://www.albumoftheyear.org/genre/313-bedroom-pop/all/all-music/

RfC on the reliability of Business Insider[edit]

Hello! I have started an RfC about the reliability of Business Insider for sourcing in music related articles. This would have some impact (albeit most likely minor) on all music related articles. Feel free to comment at the RfC. --TheSandDoctor Talk 14:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

RFC on whether Olivia Rodrigo is a "singer-songwriter"[edit]

Olivia Rodrigo has an RFC over whether Rodrigo should be called a singer-songwriter in the article, instead of a singer and a songwriter. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. BawinV (talk) 09:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ayaka Kimura#Requested move 6 August 2021[edit]

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ayaka Kimura#Requested move 6 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  — Shibbolethink ( ) 11:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)