User talk:OCNative

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On 2 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Walton J. Wood, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Stanford University alumnus Walton J. Wood became the first public defender in the history of the United States in 1914? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 7 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert W. Naylor, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former California Assembly Republican Leader and California Republican Party Chair Robert W. Naylor was editor of The Stanford Daily while he was a student at Stanford University? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you Victuallers (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To say that that "in September 2007 Monty the meerkat (pictured)" would be lying because it is not Monty. Marcus Qwertyus 20:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Then, why is the picture file called File:Monty the meerkat.jpg? OCNative (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's photoshopped. Marcus Qwertyus 03:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Becky Morgan (politician), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former Republican California State Senator Becky Morgan served on the Board of Trustees of both her alma maters, Stanford University and Cornell University? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I declined the PROD here based on the existence of sufficient Chinese-language sources to indicate at least a good shot at notability, I've added two for reference. I've got no issues if you'd like to take this to AfD, I just looked far enough to convince myself that it wasn't an obvious enough case for a PROD. Have a great weekend. --joe decker^{talk to me} 20:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really worth it to keep all that information in the article? I'm worried that legal threats are going to start flying. Zagalejo^^^ 05:17, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• NPOV requires that we not gloss over accurate negative information. Would we remove negative (but accurate) information from the Fred Phelps article for fear of theoretical legal threats? OCNative (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • In theory, no... but sometimes, we have to pick our battles. I just don't think the Drollinger battle is worth it. Zagalejo^^^ 05:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Moot point now, as Osobhy has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. OCNative (talk) 06:36, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think to avoid problems the section should be shorter and read more netural, it sounds like someone has an agenda. Obviously his people have taken action with the last few people who signed up only to change the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YLinda (talk • contribs) 00:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Neutral doesn't mean glossing over accurate negative information. "Obviously, his people have taken action with the last few people who signed up only to change the article" is an irrelevant argument as "his people" have been repeatedly blocked from editing Wikipedia for being sockpuppets. OCNative (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nice 10,000th edit. 43?9enter (talk) 07:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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On 29 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William A. Reppy, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that California Appellate Court Justice William A. Reppy, an appointee of Governor Ronald Reagan, was a member of the Stanford University track and field team and editor of the USC Law Review? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Earlier you moved the hook for the article Nuclear policy of the United States to a prep area without its image. As the mentor of the student who wrote it for WikiProject United States Public Policy (under the Wikipedia Ambassador Program), I would like to make a special request to reconsider. I have raised the question at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Nuclear policy of the United States and have discussed this previously at User talk:PFHLai#Nuclear policy of the United States. Please respond at the talk page for the queue. – VisionHolder « talk » 14:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I have responded at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Nuclear policy of the United States with: "I originally moved it to the Prep Area without the picture because I wanted to make sure the article was seen since it seemed to be of high quality and part of a long discussion. I have now moved it to Prep Area 4 with the picture." OCNative (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OCNative, I've responded to issues raised by you at King Cross. Schwede66 01:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will consent to whatever is acceptable for publication. Gamweb (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Your submission of Cathy Cochran at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Your submission of C.C. Bridgewater at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 15 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Warren Matthews, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Warren Matthews, a graduate of both Stanford and Harvard appointed by Republican Governor Jay Hammond, was the second-longest serving Supreme Court justice in Alaska history? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

On 16 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Craig F. Stowers, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Alaska Supreme Court Justice Craig F. Stowers worked as a park ranger before he earned his Juris Doctor from UC Davis School of Law? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

On 17 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles Coiner, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Stanford University graduate Charles Coiner, a Republican Idaho Senator from 2004 to 2010, supported efforts to teach about Japanese-American internment in Idaho public schools? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from James Kendrick Pyne, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Aegoceras (talk) 21:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 19 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daniel J. Kremer, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that after the California Court of Appeal treated a teenager's letter as a formal appeal, Presiding Justice Daniel J. Kremer wrote a unanimous opinion overturning the boy's speeding ticket fine? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

On 20 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George W. Milias, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that former California State Assemblyman George W. Milias, a graduate of both San Jose State and Stanford, was President of the California Republican Assembly and state Republican Party Chairman? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

On 20 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Allison H. Eid, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that after graduating from the University of Chicago Law School, Colorado Supreme Court Justice Allison H. Eid clerked for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

		The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Nice work! You have brought 25 of your newly created articles to the attention of the world, by way of the DYK section of the Main page. Your Stanford University-related biographies are a fine addition to Wikipedia. Thank you! Binksternet (talk) 03:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 21 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article David Schuman, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Oregon Court of Appeals Judge David Schuman finished second in the North American speed skating finals in the 220-yard competition at the age of 17? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

On 21 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cathy Cochran, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Republican Texas high court Judge Cathy Cochran took her husband's surname when they married in 1966, and he took her maiden name in 2001? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 21 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article C.C. Bridgewater, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Judge C. C. Bridgewater's tenure on the Washington Court of Appeals ended when he missed the deadline to file for re-election—because he was in a medically induced coma after a heart attack? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 22 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Brian Morris (judge), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Montana Supreme Court Justice Brian Morris, who clerked for U.S. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, was the starting fullback in the 1986 Gator Bowl for the Stanford Cardinal football team? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at my hook. I've offered a new suggestion, plus I already had an alternate hook under 200 characters. If you could review them again and offer commentary it would be appreciated. Marchije•^speak/_peek 22:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 24 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James C. Nelson, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that James C. Nelson, appointed as a Montana Supreme Court Justice by George W. Bush's campaign chair, wrote that blocking same-sex marriage was a "societal cancer grounded in bigotry and hate?" You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Are you a lawyer or law student? Do you know how to rename the Rod Blagojevich corruption charges to a name like United States v. Scheinberg and convert the infobox?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No, I'm not a lawyer or law student, but my job requires working closely with the legal system, and I did take a few undergraduate law classes while in college. That, and way too many of my friends are lawyers. I will see what I can do with the Blagojevich page. OCNative (talk) 07:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it possible that you could summarize United States v. Blagojevich, 612 F.3d 558 (7th Cir. 2010) for the WP:LEAD and properly include the bolded 612 F.3d 558 (7th Cir. 2010) in the opening paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's actually an exceedingly boring procedural case on whether or not juror names could be kept confidential in the Blagojevich corruption trial. I'm fine with summarizing it, but I just don't think it's all that important for the article. OCNative (talk) 13:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh. I thought it might be some sort of parallel case like the CIV and CR cases for Black Friday. Forget about it then.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Please see Talk:Rod_Blagojevich_corruption_charges#Requested_move.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to say thanks for your efforts guiding the merge discussion for UIGEA. It may not have given you the best first impression of the ambassador program, but if you have any interest in it, I think you'd make an excellent ambassador. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Actually, my first impression of the ambassador program was via #Nuclear policy of the United States, which is an excellent new article. The fact that UIGEA is related to the ambassador program is what made me decide to intervene in the first place. Had it not been an ambassador program-related article, I would have left it to others to sort out. So what are the responsibilities and time commitment of an ambassador? OCNative (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The time commitment for an Online Ambassador is a few hours per week. The main role of ambassadors so far has been to serve as one-on-one mentors for students. But we're changing that around considerably (probably) after this term... we'll try to find a small group of Online Ambassadors to help a whole class (preferably with some match between the ambassadors' interests and the subject of the class). The one-on-one thing is sometimes unsatisfying, because individual students vary widely in how engaged they are with Wikipedia and how responsive they are to mentors. So next term, ambassadors will sign on to support one or more classes (if they want to), and then answer questions and give help when asked, and in general watch out for the whole class and bring up problems to the instructor and/or Campus Ambassadors. You can poke around at Wikipedia:Ambassadors to see what what's been going on lately.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • This looks like something I'd be up to doing. Once the new format is settled for the next semester/quarter, please let me know about the format, so I can see if I'd still be able to join up. Thanks! OCNative (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I encourage you to join now, and you can decide how much to get involved (or whether you need to sit out, or whatever) next term. We still need help for the last few weeks of this term, too.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to say thanks for alerting me to the problem with the hook for my DYK. It is my first article, so I am still learning. I fixed iron the page. Is there anything else I need to do? Thanks. Tstaudt (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• The date checks out, as does the length since you massively expanded it (way over the minimum requirement of a quintuple expansion). The only impediment to DYK approval that I see is there are not enough citations. There needs to be at least one citation per paragraph, and it looks like roughly half the paragraphs are uncited. I'm guessing that the information in each of your paragraphs is covered by at least one of your existing 34 sources, so if that is the case, see WP:REFNAME on how to link multiple places to a source. If you'd like to see a short example page, you can experiment with Notre Dame – Stanford rivalry, which I created a few months back and where I repeatedly cited a Notre Dame game notes page and the Stanford media guide (that page has multiple citations per sentence, but that is far beyond the minimum; you can see more typical citation rates at George W. Milias or C.C. Bridgewater). OCNative (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• I fixed the citations. I didnt realize that for a court case I should keep citing the ruling, for each and every part. If there is anything else, let me know. Thanks (So are you an ND fan or Stanford?)Tstaudt (talk) 22:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've reviewed Prometheus Radio Project v. FCC and approved it on the suggestions page. From this point, it still needs to go in the queue before appearing on the Main Page as an official DYK entry. Judging by the number of DYKs currently, I would estimate that the entry will spend 2-3 more days on the suggestions page and then another 2-3 days in the queue. The article should be fine, but occasionally, articles have been pulled from the queue (I've had one of mine pulled before), so it's still possible, but you have cleared the biggest hurdle. Also, I don't know what the scope of your class assignment is (and this isn't required for DYK), but it would be helpful if you added citation templates to the references to match them to the Wikipedia notation; the three that seem most relevant to the article would be {{cite court}}, {{cite journal}}, and {{cite web}}. Additionally, adding the {{Infobox COA case}} to the article would also be helpful (see an example of what the infobox looks like at United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency) but again not required. By the way, I'm a loyal Stanford alum and fan, and even more to your chagrin, I got my master's at USC. OCNative (talk) 07:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OCNative, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 20:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lube noob. Since you had some involvement with the lube noob redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 65.93.12.8 (talk) 04:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 2 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Code of the Secret Service, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the film Ronald Reagan called "the worst picture I ever made" inspired Jerry Parr to join the Secret Service, and that Parr saved President Reagan's life during the 1981 assassination attempt (pictured)? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks from me and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OCNative. I noticed that you reverted edits at both Jack Layton and Michael Ignatieff relating to the start/end of term as Leader of the Opposition.You seem to be well-informed about Canadian politics. Why did you pick May 30, 2011 as the day that Layton takes over as the official Leader of the Opposition? I know that the results of the election are not officially released by Elections Canada until May 24, 2011. Are you saying that Parliament will be recalled a week after that? I have seen nothing to that effect, at least not in writing. What is wrong with putting May 2, 2011, as the day Layton becomes the new Leader of the Opposition, as it already states that here: Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada)? There seems to be a lack of agreement on this issue. Maybe you can help me out here. --Skol fir (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This proclamation by the Governor General summons Parliament to meet on May 30, 2011. OCNative (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand correctly, you are saying that Ignatieff is still Leader of the Opposition until then? What if Parliament had to be recalled earlier for some reason. Would Ignatieff still be able, without having a seat in Parliament, to act in the capacity as Leader of the Official Opposition? I think not. You are mistaking the first day of the new session of Parliament as the day that the job begins, for Layton.

Officially Layton would be the Leader of the Opposition today, if a crisis arose where Parliament had to be recalled earlier than expected. This has a precedent in 1988. On that occasion, Parliament was summoned to meet only three weeks after the general election, so the list of elected Members was not tabled by the Clerk until the fourth sitting day (Journals, December 15, 1988, pp. 26‑33). In other words, officially, the Leader of the Opposition today (May 3) is already Layton, not Ignatieff. The only reason Parliament was set to reopen on May 30, 2011, was to give everyone a reasonable time to move in or out of their offices, and/or residences before the day of opening. It does not mean that Ignatieff keeps the job until May 30, 2011. There is nothing in the proclamation about that issue. --Skol fir (talk) 09:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, no that wasn't I meant; my response to you was too short and incomplete. What I mean is Ignatieff is Leader of the Opposition until the next day Parliament meets. They're not expected to meet until May 30, per the proclamation. If they were recalled sooner, then Layton would become Leader the first day the 41st Parliament meets. OCNative (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense. Both of them are literally in a state of limbo right now. Neither of them is actually Leader of the Opposition at this moment, because Ignatieff can't claim that title (having lost his seat and the Liberals being relegated to third-party status) and Layton can't claim it until Parliament meets again. Wonderful state of affairs, that is!! --Skol fir (talk) 09:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You bring up a really interesting point: I wonder when was the last time a Leader of the Opposition actually lost his seat in Parliament. OCNative (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now you are making me work too hard! I will have to go back to 1867 and start from there, as I don't think anyone has kept that statistic. I'll get back to you in a month! :-) --Skol fir (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It took less time than I thought. The answer is -- Never! From what I can see, looking at the list of Leaders of the Opposition since 1869, it appears that not one of these rogues has ever lost his seat in an election, while acting as Leader of the Opposition. Some have resigned, for various reasons, but never lost their seats involuntarily.

I stand corrected. There is one example noted by Rupertslander in Michael_Ignatieff#Leadership -- Sir John A. Macdonald being defeated in his own riding of Kingston in 1878, even though the Conservatives went on to win the election, making him Prime Minister. He then had to stand for election in Victoria, which he won.--Skol fir (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, do we still list Ignatieff as Leader of the Opposition until Layton takes over? He is like a King without a Crown! lol --Skol fir (talk) 10:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I propose we shut down Wikipedia until the Canadian parliament meets. :P Though this isn't directly connected, Ignatieff refuses to resign as Leader of the Liberal Party. This is quite a state of limbo. OCNative (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We could put a footnote after his title "Leader of the Opposition" -- ^[fn]Technically, Ignatieff can no longer be called the Leader of the Opposition, as he has lost his seat and second-party status all in one election. However, not to rain on his parade, we are going to leave the poor man alone, and let him fade away without much fanfare. Let him think he is still "the boss." It is a small consolation prize to tide him over into the next political reincarnation. --Skol fir (talk) 11:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that "SheaSheaShea" has taken the matter into his own hands and let the guillotine fall at Michael Ignatieff. "Knit one, pearl two." (Reference to A Tale of Two Cities). --Skol fir (talk) 11:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't he still hold the title until the return of the writ? OCNative (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OCNative, I just asked "SheaSheaShea" to join our discussion. He might have the answer to your question. --Skol fir (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It might also be useful to copy this discussion to the relevant Talk Page for Michael Ignatieff. I noticed that 117Avenue agrees with you on this. In answer to your question, we don't need Ignatieff to hold that title, until the return of the writ, because he is a lame duck anyway. --Skol fir (talk) 11:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada) currently lists the post as vacant. OCNative (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What am I suppose to review here per your comment? Please clarify. Thanks.-AnakngAraw (talk) 02:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Per #5 of Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria, you need to review someone else's DYK nomination since you have more than 5 DYK credits. This also applies to your other self-nominations. OCNative (talk) 02:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done for all. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, yes I am. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 08:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]

On 7 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article White House Press Secretary, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the precursors to the White House Press Secretary and White House press corps both formed during the presidency of Grover Cleveland? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Please explain this edit at T:TDYK. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I actually posted my comments a couple minutes ago. Do you think that explanation works, or do you think it's a good idea I elaborate further? OCNative (talk) 00:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I couldn't find the entry at the DYK page anymore. The nominator made some adjustments after my comments. I guess I forgot to respond. I'm fine with the lead as it is now. Hybernator (talk) 02:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Looking at the page history, an admin promoted it directly to the DYK queue after I wrote to you but before you saw it. Since you're fine with it, and that was the only thing left holding it back, then we should let it be in the queue in peace. OCNative (talk) 02:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I responded to your query at my talk page by adding some text DIFF HERE at Talk:DYK. Best -- Health Researcher (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you review so far. I have addressed the issue raised by AshLin. Could you please re-review it again and possible accord the right tag to the DYK. Thanks. -- CrossTempleJay  talk 12:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw your message, and this is now moot, as AshLin signed off on it after you posted your message to me but before I saw it. Congratulations! OCNative (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 12 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bernard Trottier, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Conservative Party candidate Bernard Trottier won a seat in the 41st Canadian Parliament by defeating the incumbent Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada in the 2011 federal election? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you would have seen the thanks I gave at my talkpage so I'll add them here as well. The medal itself may be a bit of a trinket but your wording was thoughtful and greatly appreciated. Many thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 01:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• You're welcome. I figure if I can't say something thoughtful when awarding the DYK medal, then someone else should award it, as acknowledging a mere count without acknowledging quality defeats the spirit of DYK. OCNative (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 13 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mathieu Ravignat, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Mathieu Ravignat defeated Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon for a seat in the Canadian House of Commons despite Cannon's party making a net gain of seats in the 2011 federal election? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi OCNative. I was wondering if you could give a second opinion at Template talk:Did you know#Sanjak of Prizren. Do you think that we should use the Swahili clause? I am contacting you because you are very active with DYK and seem to be online now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I gave a much longer than expected answer. In short, let's use the Swahili rule. Thanks for your willingness to seek a second opinion, and thanks for your kind words about me! OCNative (talk) 12:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• You're very much welcome, and I've seen you do great work there. I have not had much experience on AfD yet (only 5 individual noms so far) and greatly value your willingness to help me when I get confused. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the DYK wording, the 200 char limit gave me trouble finding the right words to get it all in grammatically correct and factually accurate, it's like Scrabble with added dimensions. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the 25 DYK medal. It was unexpected and nice to see when I turned on my computer this morning. Finetooth (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• You're welcome and you deserved it. OCNative (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello OCNative. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Guild Software, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charmaine Borg, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Matthew Dubé, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mylène Freeman, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Laurin Liu, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jamie Nicholls, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

On 16 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pierre-Luc Dusseault, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that five McGill University students—Charmaine Borg, Matthew Dubé, Mylène Freeman, Laurin Liu, and Jamie Nicholls—were elected to Parliament in Canada's 2011 federal election, but the youngest new MP is Université de Sherbrooke student Pierre-Luc Dusseault? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Can I still 5x the author's article and add it to the nom? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, most definitely. I count 455 prose characters, so you'll need to get it to 2275 prose characters. OCNative (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks. I will get right on it. Thankfully it's not Michael Crichton or Tom Clancy... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• or William Shakespeare! I actually got my first Hall of Fame entry with the six articles above, thanks to newly elected members of the Canadian parliament. I'm just glad a whole bunch of political long-shots were elected because a) they got lots of news coverage from their unlikely election making it possible to write articles on each of them and b) most credible politicians already have substantial articles before they reach a national legislature. OCNative (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was very nice. I was quite surprised to see 5 university students elected. Okay, time to get cracking. Thanks again! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have finished 5x-ing it. Not sure how to work it into the hook properly though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adding the Marga T article to the hook was easy since you already had the article linked in the hook; it only required bolding Marga T in the hook. The first three changes in this diff are all that were necessary to add Marga T to the nomination. I have to run right now, so hopefully, someone else will review it, but if no one does, I'll review it myself later. OCNative (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So the bots can still see it? I was worried about that. BTW, I noticed you changed my review from Hermann Kasack to Hermann Kasack, Die Stadt hinter dem Strom. Does a review of a multiple nomination only count as one? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhhhh, that template is what I would have missed had I done it. Nice to know. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Referenced the article some more. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I hereby grant thee, OCNative, this Barnstar of Diligence for thy never-ending patience and willingness to help myself and other editors, be they new or old, at the Did You Know? suggestions board. May thy nominations grow ever bolder! Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar! I truly appreciate it. OCNative (talk) 01:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You deserve it. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OC, I was just wondering if you could give me some feedback on Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2. It's my first prep and I was wondering how badly I blew it. Thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• It looks fine; you did a good job. I'm assuming that you favored older hooks over newer hooks (after accounting for geographic and topical diversity). Since there's several quirky hooks in the set, I'm also assuming you found the Fudai, Iwate floodgate was the quirkiest (since sets should try to include a quirky hook as the last hook). I would note that it's okay to have multiple U.S. hooks and multiple biography hooks, under J3 of Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules. OCNative (talk) 02:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I took them in order from oldest to newest on the talk page and then ordered them on the page. I wanted to avoid being Western-centric, so I skipped some noms that were about Europeans and Americans. The Fudai one seemed to have the most oomph to me, because it has not been long since the tsunami. Thanks for taking a look. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a courtesy notice to say that I've commented on one of your actions at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Procedural closes of RMs. Dpmuk (talk) 09:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For all your help with Glossary of association football terms. It's been a bit of a change of pace from my usual routine of creating an article on my own, in my own time, in one edit, nominating the obvious hook, reviewing another article, and half the time not even needing to address issues. Still, it's great to know that the collabourative nature of Wikipedia is still alive and kicking. Thanks again! —WFC— 07:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm happy to help! After all, what's the point of acquiring knowledge about a process if I don't use that knowledge to help others? OCNative (talk) 07:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OC, Just noticed your comments on Kartam Joga over at T:DYK and posted a response; sorry I didn't catch them sooner. Let me know if I've addressed your concerns. Thanks, Khazar (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reverting that snafu at DYK. How the heck did that happen? Note to self... don't do any edits like that 5 minutes after waking up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To be completely honest, I wouldn't have noticed that if it weren't my hook! OCNative (talk) 07:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thankfully you did catch it. I think I ec'd myself and then ended up deleting both :-s Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 25 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rick Welts, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Phoenix Suns president and CEO Rick Welts became the first prominent American sports executive to come out as gay when he did so in an interview with The New York Times on May 15, 2011? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi OC, I thought your ALTs were pretty good, but I was wondering if you could weigh in on mine. It's insane, yet sourced. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I've commented to the effect of "They're all hilarious!" OCNative (talk) 12:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • LOL, thanks. Shame it wasn't closer to April 1. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OC, I am in the middle of working on a 19 or so article hook (still in the early stages, only one and a half down) but will be going to Lampung in a couple of weeks. I was wondering if there is a way to see our hook as it was on the main page after its time in the sun is up. I may not have access to the internet while in Lampung, but I usually take screenshots of my hooks in DYK. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't know of any archive of screenshots of DYK or of the main page. The closest thing is Wikipedia:Recent additions, but that's more a list of DYK sets; it doesn't have the full screenshot that displays exactly how it appeared on the main page nor does it show what Today's featured article, In the news, and On this day looked like when the DYK ran. Sorry, I don't have better news on this one. OCNative (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. I've decided that running a five article hook ASAP and finishing the rest when I get back from Lampung would be best. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for striking rather than removing. Have a good evening. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi OCNative, I'd like to thank you for your kind involvement in the article, the article's talk page and DYK. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On 31 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Lipsky, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that just three days after announcing he would retire in August, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF when Dominique Strauss-Kahn resigned? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello! This nomination was moved to prep area with alt6, but alt6 is not in the article because I removed the info after I contacted the author. May I please ask you to consider commenting on another alt that is not about the dog named Rolf? Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at the DYK:Suggestion page.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I proposed an ALT1 hook, diff.

1. It is still within the character limit for hooks.
2. It is still confirmed by secondary sources within the article.
3. It satisfies your suggestion for additional clarity within the hook itself.

Hopefully this is satisfactory to you, and the hook can now be confirmed, again? -- Cirt (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Thanks for the quick response! OCNative (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariano Zagone. It was my first deletion try.--Vic49 (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem. I was happy to help. For future reference, you can use WP:AFDHOWTO as a guide. OCNative (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the catch. I struck my comment about on being the ALT of the other. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem. It's a completely understandable mix-up due to the single character difference in 2010 vs. 2011. There was a similar mix-up not too long ago due to the near-simultaneous DYK nominations of Julien Hoffman and Julien Hoffmann. OCNative (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still, it was an "oops" moment, so thanks. By the by, glad to know another from the OC is aboard Wikipedia. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• With 3,000,000+ people in OC, I would hope there'd be quite a few of us editing Wikipedia! :P OCNative (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]